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1. Re: Bradley EV is home no pics yet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Re: Old Electric Cars Are Still Going Mr. Hart (Robert Salem)
3. Re: Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells, an Stuff (Bob Rice)
4. Re: Green push hits tire makers (David Dymaxion)
5. Re: NEWS FLASH - EV-1 L I V E S (Dan Frederiksen)
6. Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going (Lawrence Rhodes)
7. Re: Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells (Dan Frederiksen)
8. Re: NEWS FLASH - EV-1 L I V E S (Lawrence Rhodes)
9. Re: alternator to motor conversion and controller for go-cart
conversion (Bukosky, Allen)
10. Re: Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells (Peter VanDerWal)
11. Re: alternator to motor conversion and controller for go-cart
conversion (Steven Ciciora)
12. Re: Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going (damon henry)
13. Re: Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells, an Stuff
(David Dymaxion)
14. Re: Bradley EV is home no pics yet (Bill & Nancy)
15. Re: EVDL] Juiced Up motor picture up at my site (Frank John)
16. Re: Bradley EV is home no pics yet ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
17. Re: alternator to motor conversion and controller for go-cart
conversion (R Patterson)
18. A MUST SEE Video from Jay Leno's Garage on PHEV Ford
(Steven Lough)
19. Re: Bradley EV is home no pics yet (Don Davidson)
20. Re: Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going (Bob Rice)
21. Re: alternator to motor conversion and controller for go-cart
conversion ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
22. Re: A MUST SEE Video from Jay Leno's Garage on PHEV Ford
(Dan Frederiksen)
23. Re: Juiced Up motor picture up at my site (Jim Husted)
24. Price of lead (Joe Fields)
25. Re: Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells (Zeke Yewdall)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:28:57 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bradley EV is home no pics yet
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I will post the Kaylor stuff I have on my site and all pages will be
in pdf format.
> I'm not familiar with
> Kaylor.
I can scan the book because it is bound with those plastic thingies
that come apart easy. I have Adobe PDF Pro and can make the entire a
PDF Book all in one file. That is what I will do but that will take
some time.
> If you scan any text, if you are able to, scan it as a pdf file. I'd
> even encourage you to save this info on a CD and maybe you could
> snail mail
> it to me.
It's just a personal preference and it is the one style I really
never did like. There are more but it just never tickled my fancy. I
am working on trying to get a Ghia. Granted it's heavier but it's
design is well suited for an EV. Low and Sporty and no grill to cover
up. Plenty of room for batteries, at least for what I need.
> Just curious why you say the body style stinks.
I will go have a look.
> BTW, I just posted more photos of the motor & controller at my
> website.
Thanks
Pete
PS. Going out to take photos
On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Don Davidson wrote:
> I look forward to seeing any photos you may have. I'd include it
> with my
> collection of Bradley documentation on my websites. I'm not
> familiar with
> Kaylor. If you scan any text, if you are able to, scan it as a pdf
> file. I'd
> even encourage you to save this info on a CD and maybe you could
> snail mail
> it to me. Just curious why you say the body style stinks. I
> mentioned that
> the Bradley EV if kept original, is impossible to maintain the 4
> batteries
> on either side of the motor. When I get that far, different
> "maintenance
> free" batteries will have to go there. BTW, I just posted more
> photos of
> the motor & controller at my website. If not Bradley, what is your
> donor
> car? Good Luck & Happy Holidays!
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:00:49 -0500
From: Robert Salem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Old Electric Cars Are Still Going Mr. Hart
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Is your car in the EV album ??
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE ??
Lloyd Wayne Reece wrote:
> Lee Hart quote "EVs from earlier small conversion companies
> are now so old that they can't be considered as reliable daily drivers."
>
> That may be true for some but not for my 1981 Lectra Centauri. It has some
> issues
> I'll grant you and it does need some real going over but I am driving it to
> work
> and back 5 days a week and ferring the teenage daughter around several days a
> week.
>
> Lectra Motors of Las Vegas built a very good car in 1981 and it's a shame
> that they
> could not stay in business. For the brief amount of time they were in
> business in
> the early 80's they produced over a hundred cars. Mine is still running and
> I know
> of one in Boulder City, NV just up the road from me that is still running
> quite well.
>
> Lloyd Wayne Reece
> Las Vegas
> 1981 Lectra Centauri
> 18 6v Batteries and 1 12v Battery.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:36:33 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells, an Stuff
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From: "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells
> Hi Morgan,
>
>
>> I'd say the really interesting limit is capacity/range. It will be
>> nice when we can do "real" races with EV's, multi-lap, multi-mile
>> races that really stress the vehicles for an extended time.
>>
>> -Morgan LaMoore
>
> It is nice doing "real" races with an EV, multi-lap, multi-mile races that
> really stress the vehicles for an extended time.<G>
AMEN!
> http://www.proev.com/P1RaceH.htm
>
> It is not up on the website yet but the Kokam powered Electric Imp was the
> fastest SPU (Super Production Under 2.5 liters) qualifier at the Nov 17-18
> SCCA Palm Beach Classic. A problem with our generator took out two
> chargers
> and kept us from chasing that elusive first win
Damn- Damn DAMN, for want of a horseshoe, I mean OUTLET the race was
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> <I still think that circuit racing is more interesting and challenging
> than drag racing, though.>
> Hi Cliff an' EVerybody;
You Bet! Circuit Racing as well as a good pun, is more like Real World
driving! Watch any freeway in ANY USA city, it can and often like a race,
well akin to a demolition derby. EV's with their heavy batteries would do
smashingly well in a DD!With a 13" Warp motor you could smash and grind
lesser cars into instant oblivion!!
But to get back to the unseen , quiet chrisis we, USA, are getting into,
the kokams could do well in a daily driver? I'm not trying to get to 60mph
in 3 seconds. I'll wait a few and pull out when I DON'T need 300hp. Oh,
maybe 150 amps @120 volts will do it? Just for thought and diss-cussion, a
load of Kokans in Lee's Revived Sunrise?/ A 2000 lb sedan, with it's slick
aero, and pretty looks? Yud hafta rent out one of GM's Factories to build
enough of them to meet demand?Is Kokan working with you on developing these
wonder batteries?A Coke Can size cell?Can you/me actually BUY a carload of
these things without taking out a second mortgage on the house?The Battery
Managment system, 6 dollar word for CHARGER? Ya MUST need something better
than a Stench Chord and rectifyer?I'm guessing they are sinilar to a123s?
> Don't under estimate the challenges the drag racers face. There is some
> amazing ground breaking work being done on the drag strips!
Oh I don't , Remember on White Zoombie, John still has the sign;"We
Break Things so You Don't Have To" You getting into more Real World Circuit
Racing is a super valuable proving ground for EV development! We just
haven't done as much of that. Keep leading the pack with it!!
Seeya in Jan,BBB Thing!
Bob.........Snowing here, bettya it ISN'T in Fort Lauderdale?
>
> Cliff
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:59:18 -0800 (PST)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Green push hits tire makers
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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A fun question, but fun to answer, too! I actually did the calculation for a
racer friend that was looking for every advantage he could get. I estimate
you'd save about 6 lbs or 3 kg by switching from air to helium. Since this is
rotational weight, it would be like taking 12 lbs or 6 kg off the car during
acceleration (good for racing, not much effect on range). Say an average
conversion weighs about 3000 lbs, you will get about 0.2% more range average
city driving, and about 0.1% more range at highway speed.
The killer is helium is a small molecule that will diffuse out through the
rubber.
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:43:41 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Green push hits tire makers
How much range do you think you could gain by filling the tires with
helium?
;)
-----Original Message-----
the actual use of nitrogen started with racers who wanted more
consistent
pressures with changing tire temperatures, the most important thing for
them
was that the gas was dry no water vapor and prefilled nitrogen
canisters
were an easy available and inexpensive means to that end, the less
leakage
bit makes little sense to me as nitrogen is a smaller atom than oxygen,
though nitrogen is less reactive and I suppose could enhance the
lifespan of
the rubber
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:12:18 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NEWS FLASH - EV-1 L I V E S
To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
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yeah Alexandra would be a good ambassador but also Chelsea Sexton. heck,
the evil dude from CIA might be an interesting twist too :)
I heard though that to allow it to drive it has to be converted to
hybrid drive. not sure if that's true or myth. they might not be allowed
to sell it or let others have it by contract with GM. if that's the case
I can try to lean on Chris Preuss from GM. I might be wearing him down
:) and they might not like to be on record as still hampering the EV1.
as a GM communications person, if he says it's ok it might be legally
binding
Dan
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> I was thinking if Jay Leno heard about this he might want it. I think
> however someone like Alexandra Paul might be a better person to have it.
> She'd drive it every day & push GM's nose in it. Jay wouldn't do that. I
> suspect they've already gotten a few offers on it. If I had the dough I
> would. I wonder what kind of agreement the school made with GM to get the
> car. Lawrence Rhodes...
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:15:23 -0800
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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>From my experience old electric vehicles have a very high refurbishing
ratio.(based on cost, simplicity & work needed to fix) What I have found is
batteries are the main problem. Replace the batteries & there might be a
dirty switch or a bad connection here or there but I have gotten every
electric vehicle that comes into my ownership going again & I use it or then
sell it. I have only lost money on one vehicle & I went totally ape sh&* in
buying parts for it & over valued the project. I'll make up for it on the
next one. EV technology is simple & I've refurbed 40 year old vehicles with
success. Yes people don't maintain vehicles very well but electrics have
less to go wrong. Perfect for people who run their vehicles into the
ground. However people that do this will definately be battery destroyers.
If they can only keep the battery cables tight & charge after every use the
rest will last a looooooooong time. However not everyone wants to drive a
junker. Lawrence Rhodes...
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:17:07 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I made an error when I said halving the resistance would give 40% more
power. it will double it, thermal issues aside.
as for power electronics I think that's quite easy to make enough power.
the zilla for instance is not huge and can be made even lighter in a
larger configuration.
and putting the power into the road, we have the funny cars as example.
aren't those in the 6000 pony range?
if there's a problem it can be made into tank tracks :)
Dan
Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 2:12 AM, Morgan LaMoore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> "Juiced Up"'s batteries should be capable of over 2 MW...
>>
>
> Oops, my bad. Using the datasheet ESR of 10 mOhm, the max power is
> 4500 * V^2/(4*ESR), only 1.3MW at V=3.4V. They might be able to get
> that much traction.
>
> I still think that circuit racing is more interesting and challenging
> than drag racing, though.
>
> -Morgan
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:18:15 -0800
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NEWS FLASH - EV-1 L I V E S
To: "Dan Frederiksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I know how to make it a hybrid. Get an old weedwacker motor and hook it to a
small generator then hook that to the battery pack. IF it has to be a
hybrid there you go. Nobody said you had to run the hybrid power source.
Lawrence Rhodes......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Frederiksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NEWS FLASH - EV-1 L I V E S
> yeah Alexandra would be a good ambassador but also Chelsea Sexton. heck,
> the evil dude from CIA might be an interesting twist too :)
>
> I heard though that to allow it to drive it has to be converted to
> hybrid drive. not sure if that's true or myth. they might not be allowed
> to sell it or let others have it by contract with GM. if that's the case
> I can try to lean on Chris Preuss from GM. I might be wearing him down
> :) and they might not like to be on record as still hampering the EV1.
> as a GM communications person, if he says it's ok it might be legally
> binding
>
> Dan
>
>
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> > I was thinking if Jay Leno heard about this he might want it. I think
> > however someone like Alexandra Paul might be a better person to have it.
> > She'd drive it every day & push GM's nose in it. Jay wouldn't do that.
I
> > suspect they've already gotten a few offers on it. If I had the dough I
> > would. I wonder what kind of agreement the school made with GM to get
the
> > car. Lawrence Rhodes...
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:34:46 -0600
From: "Bukosky, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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In doing some searching, I found the following:
http://78energy.com/
http://www.alternatorconversions.com/ This is Industrial Scientific.
It has the same video of an alternator conversion being run as 78energy.
Allen in Sheboygan
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800
From: "Travis Gintz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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yeah, except they're going by the name Synkromotive.
Dave and Ives are developing a higher power DC controller right now,
but they DID have a 150A AC controller at one time. I can ask them,
email me offlist.
On Dec 12, 2007 5:12 PM, R Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arak,
>
> When I google Crux Electronics in Oregon I get: Crux Electronics -
> Manufacturer of High Performance Audio Amplifiers Is this the same
company
> you refer to? ... do they have a website with more information?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ralph.
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 5:33 PM, Arak Leatham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I don't have time right now to see if you got a response, Crux
Electronics
> > In Oregon has instructions and controllers for that.
> >
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:29:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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> We used to think that a solar powered car could barely move in direct
> sunlight. But teams have built solar cars that go over 70 mph on pure
> sunlight.
Have they done this without storage cells? I thought they were only
getting those kinds of speeds by letting it sit in the sun for several
hours charging up the batteries.
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:52:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey, I just remembered, a while back Circuit Cellar
Ink had an article on converting an alternator to a
brushless motor, with a description (schematic, etc)
of the controller they built for it. I can spend tome
time trying to dig that up, if necessary.
- Steven Ciciora
--- "Bukosky, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In doing some searching, I found the following:
>
> http://78energy.com/
>
> http://www.alternatorconversions.com/ This is
> Industrial Scientific.
> It has the same video of an alternator conversion
> being run as 78energy.
>
> Allen in Sheboygan
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800
> From: "Travis Gintz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion
> and controller for
> go-cart conversion
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Message-ID:
>
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> yeah, except they're going by the name Synkromotive.
>
> Dave and Ives are developing a higher power DC
> controller right now,
> but they DID have a 150A AC controller at one time.
> I can ask them,
> email me offlist.
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 5:12 PM, R Patterson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Arak,
> >
> > When I google Crux Electronics in Oregon I get:
> Crux Electronics -
> > Manufacturer of High Performance Audio Amplifiers
> Is this the same
> company
> > you refer to? ... do they have a website with
> more information?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ralph.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 5:33 PM, Arak Leatham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't have time right now to see if you got a
> response, Crux
> Electronics
> > > In Oregon has instructions and controllers for
> that.
> > >
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:56:24 +0000
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going
To: EV List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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What I have found is that it depends on the technology you know how to use.
There is an old Datsun guy up the road from me that would much rather rebuild
the carb on my 1970 Datsun trucks original motor then try to track down a dirty
switch. I'm just the opposite. That is because he knows how to fix carbs
while I hate them and get frustrated as soon as I start having problems with
one. On the other hand I am very comfortable chasing down an electrical
problem because I understand the methodology while he quickly gets frustrated
with such an excercise.
damon
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:15:23 -0800
> Subject: [EVDL] Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going
>
>>From my experience old electric vehicles have a very high refurbishing
> ratio.(based on cost, simplicity & work needed to fix) What I have found is
> batteries are the main problem. Replace the batteries & there might be a
> dirty switch or a bad connection here or there but I have gotten every
> electric vehicle that comes into my ownership going again & I use it or then
> sell it. I have only lost money on one vehicle & I went totally ape sh&* in
> buying parts for it & over valued the project. I'll make up for it on the
> next one. EV technology is simple & I've refurbed 40 year old vehicles with
> success. Yes people don't maintain vehicles very well but electrics have
> less to go wrong. Perfect for people who run their vehicles into the
> ground. However people that do this will definately be battery destroyers.
> If they can only keep the battery cables tight & charge after every use the
> rest will last a looooooooong time. However not everyone wants to drive a
> junker. Lawrence Rhodes...
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:01:13 -0800 (PST)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells, an Stuff
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It looks like your wish will be granted in August 2008! The Singletons are
organizing an EV range EVent on the Salt Flats. The idea is to have gradual
turns, so braking and cornering aren't emphasized, but rather how far the
vehicle can go. The Salt Flats are the flattest ground on earth, so you don't
have any range killing hills. Details are being hashed out, but ideas include a
regular electrathon, street legal type EVs, possibly a scooter/bike class, and
possibly a 24 hour solar endurance race. They plan to run it in parallel with
the Salt Flats racing, so there will be alot of neat stuff to see, and the
endurance racers can do land speed runs, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells
>> I'd say the really interesting limit is capacity/range. It will be
>> nice when we can do "real" races with EV's, multi-lap, multi-mile
>> races that really stress the vehicles for an extended time.
>>
>> -Morgan LaMoore
>
> It is nice doing "real" races with an EV, multi-lap, multi-mile races
that
> really stress the vehicles for an extended time.<G>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:02:52 -0800
From: Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bradley EV is home no pics yet
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I would list it on the Bradley GT list. I expect you would get a lot of
interest there.
Bill
gottdi wrote:
> Just got home with the Bradley home. Damn that body style stinks. Boy is it
> rough. Motor looks good as do the controller and stuff like that. I have
> lots of work ahead but that is fine. The body and pan will be for sale and
> it is currently registered. I am going to strip out all the goodies and sell
> it to whom ever wants it. Price will be cheap. It will require loads of work
> but it is a rolling body. All electrical will be removed. I will have loads
> of pictures tomorrow to put up. It is a Kaylor VW Kit in the bradley and I
> do have the original manual from Kaylor. It's the Kaylor Hybrid book. Cool.
> I will need to scan that book. It's kinda rough but fully readable. I am now
> stoked. Yes, I may need to purchase other stuff but I do have a bunch now.
>
> Poor old car got lost in earthmuffin land. It is now out of that place.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:21:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVDL] Juiced Up motor picture up at my site
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My words exactly, except I had added an expletive before "awesome"!
Nice work Jim, I can't wait to see how this works!
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Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:03:46 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVDL] Juiced Up motor picture up at my site
Totally awesome Jim!
Chip
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> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:52:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [EVDL] Juiced Up motor picture up at my site
> To: EVDL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Hey all
>
> I just posted pics of the four ADC9 motors I did for
> Shawn Lawless' newest dragster. I did a pretty
> complete write up with the pics so won't double duty
> it 8^) Anyway, thought there might be a few that'd
> like to have a look.
>
> http://www.hitorqueelectric.com/
>
> 08's looking great!
>
> Hope you enjoy
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:24:25 -0800
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bradley EV is home no pics yet
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Wait till you see the photos before you say that. It's butt ugly and
would take loads of work to make it good again. Serious. My server is
down for now so the photos won't show yet. I will post when the
server is back up. Damn wireless glitch.
Pete
On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Bill & Nancy wrote:
> I would list it on the Bradley GT list. I expect you would get a
> lot of
> interest there.
> Bill
> gottdi wrote:
>> Just got home with the Bradley home. Damn that body style stinks.
>> Boy is it
>> rough. Motor looks good as do the controller and stuff like that.
>> I have
>> lots of work ahead but that is fine. The body and pan will be for
>> sale and
>> it is currently registered. I am going to strip out all the
>> goodies and sell
>> it to whom ever wants it. Price will be cheap. It will require
>> loads of work
>> but it is a rolling body. All electrical will be removed. I will
>> have loads
>> of pictures tomorrow to put up. It is a Kaylor VW Kit in the
>> bradley and I
>> do have the original manual from Kaylor. It's the Kaylor Hybrid
>> book. Cool.
>> I will need to scan that book. It's kinda rough but fully
>> readable. I am now
>> stoked. Yes, I may need to purchase other stuff but I do have a
>> bunch now.
>>
>> Poor old car got lost in earthmuffin land. It is now out of that
>> place.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:29:57 -0500
From: "R Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Thanks Steven!
On Dec 13, 2007 12:52 PM, Steven Ciciora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, I just remembered, a while back Circuit Cellar
> Ink had an article on converting an alternator to a
> brushless motor, with a description (schematic, etc)
> of the controller they built for it. I can spend tome
> time trying to dig that up, if necessary.
>
> - Steven Ciciora
>
> --- "Bukosky, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In doing some searching, I found the following:
> >
> > http://78energy.com/
> >
> > http://www.alternatorconversions.com/ This is
> > Industrial Scientific.
> > It has the same video of an alternator conversion
> > being run as 78energy.
> >
> > Allen in Sheboygan
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800
> > From: "Travis Gintz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion
> > and controller for
> > go-cart conversion
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> > <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > yeah, except they're going by the name Synkromotive.
> >
> > Dave and Ives are developing a higher power DC
> > controller right now,
> > but they DID have a 150A AC controller at one time.
> > I can ask them,
> > email me offlist.
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 5:12 PM, R Patterson
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Arak,
> > >
> > > When I google Crux Electronics in Oregon I get:
> > Crux Electronics -
> > > Manufacturer of High Performance Audio Amplifiers
> > Is this the same
> > company
> > > you refer to? ... do they have a website with
> > more information?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ralph.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 12, 2007 5:33 PM, Arak Leatham
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I don't have time right now to see if you got a
> > response, Crux
> > Electronics
> > > > In Oregon has instructions and controllers for
> > that.
> > > >
> >
> >
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:33 -0800
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] A MUST SEE Video from Jay Leno's Garage on PHEV Ford
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
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Wow....
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=191255
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:36:53 -0500
From: "Don Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bradley EV is home no pics yet
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Pete
I have yet to sell my barn full of "new" (old stock) purchased circa 1980
parts including pan/1600 cc ICE Bradley GT2 kits (two of them) one white
body, one yellow body. I posted this info 2 years ago on several
sites.....yet to sell.......Also in this barn is body kits & VW pan/engines
for one 1952 MGTD (Fiber Fab) and one Bradley Baron (1925 Mercedes replica)
They may or may not make good EV's....Good luck with the sale of the
Bradley, after you stripped all the usable electronics out of it. I'm
excited to see the photos and manuals once you have them scanned. The body
style of the Bradley GT2 (which I have 2 of) will be difficult to modify to
a Bradley GT Electric.
Don B. Davidson III
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Nancy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bradley EV is home no pics yet
> I would list it on the Bradley GT list. I expect you would get a lot of
> interest there.
> Bill
> gottdi wrote:
> > Just got home with the Bradley home. Damn that body style stinks. Boy is
> > it
> > rough. Motor looks good as do the controller and stuff like that. I have
> > lots of work ahead but that is fine. The body and pan will be for sale
> > and
> > it is currently registered. I am going to strip out all the goodies and
> > sell
> > it to whom ever wants it. Price will be cheap. It will require loads of
> > work
> > but it is a rolling body. All electrical will be removed. I will have
> > loads
> > of pictures tomorrow to put up. It is a Kaylor VW Kit in the bradley and
> > I
> > do have the original manual from Kaylor. It's the Kaylor Hybrid book.
> > Cool.
> > I will need to scan that book. It's kinda rough but fully readable. I am
> > now
> > stoked. Yes, I may need to purchase other stuff but I do have a bunch
> > now.
> >
> > Poor old car got lost in earthmuffin land. It is now out of that place.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:37:23 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hi EVerybody;
Old cars is relative<g>! ANY car that can live in the Least Coast area,
electric or not, get much over 10 years is doing well. Hell! My '01 Prius
has dismaying blight of rust around the rocker panels toward the rear
doors!I will HAVE to fix that as the damn car is paper thin, and will turn
to mulch pretty quick!
For you folks in places without weather, cars can and do last
forEVer!Some of the daily drivers you see in Portland OR traffic brings
gasps of amazment to us least coasters!My trusty, rusty Ford '78 Van, I keep
indoors and bring it out on nice daze only to try to extend it's life cycle.
I have done remedial rust repair top keep it presentable.A good old coat of
Rust Olium" Leather Brown" gives it a "Somebody cares" look.Rust Olium is
cheep, and easy to spray with Taiwanese Harbor Fright sprayers!If you have a
crappy old EV give it a "shot!" An Amtrak " 50-50" paint job, looks good at
50 feet or 50mph<g>!Older cars are a relative pleasure to work on, so if you
can find a clean, no rot EV that is old enough to drink go to collage or
fight for oil; it's a good bet. After all ,you have gotten RID of the high
wear stuff.
Seeya
Bob
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:15 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Re; Old Electric Cars Are Still Going
> >From my experience old electric vehicles have a very high refurbishing
> ratio.(based on cost, simplicity & work needed to fix) What I have found
> is
> batteries are the main problem. Replace the batteries & there might be a
> dirty switch or a bad connection here or there but I have gotten every
> electric vehicle that comes into my ownership going again & I use it or
> then
> sell it. I have only lost money on one vehicle & I went totally ape sh&*
> in
> buying parts for it & over valued the project. I'll make up for it on the
> next one. EV technology is simple & I've refurbed 40 year old vehicles
> with
> success. Yes people don't maintain vehicles very well but electrics have
> less to go wrong. Perfect for people who run their vehicles into the
> ground. However people that do this will definately be battery
> destroyers.
> If they can only keep the battery cables tight & charge after every use
> the
> rest will last a looooooooong time. However not everyone wants to drive a
> junker. Lawrence Rhodes...
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:02:29 -0600
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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http://www.circuitcellar.com/magazine/155toc.htm
ROBOTICS CORNER
The Altmotor
by Christopher Dix
Most robotics projects require powerful, high-torque motors. Understanding
the need for such a motor but unwilling to spend the cash on one, Chris
built his own variable-speed motor. If you think it was a complicated
project, think again. All it took was a little imagination and the
alternator in his wife's van. p. 18
Keywords: Robotics, alternator, stepper motor, power, construction,
armature, rotor, torque, unipolar, bipolar, driver, sequencing, chopper,
ispPAC-POWR1208
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Steven Ciciora
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion and controller for
go-cart conversion
Hey, I just remembered, a while back Circuit Cellar
Ink had an article on converting an alternator to a
brushless motor, with a description (schematic, etc)
of the controller they built for it. I can spend tome
time trying to dig that up, if necessary.
- Steven Ciciora
--- "Bukosky, Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In doing some searching, I found the following:
>
> http://78energy.com/
>
> http://www.alternatorconversions.com/ This is
> Industrial Scientific.
> It has the same video of an alternator conversion
> being run as 78energy.
>
> Allen in Sheboygan
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800
> From: "Travis Gintz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] alternator to motor conversion
> and controller for
> go-cart conversion
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Message-ID:
>
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> yeah, except they're going by the name Synkromotive.
>
> Dave and Ives are developing a higher power DC
> controller right now,
> but they DID have a 150A AC controller at one time.
> I can ask them,
> email me offlist.
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 5:12 PM, R Patterson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Arak,
> >
> > When I google Crux Electronics in Oregon I get:
> Crux Electronics -
> > Manufacturer of High Performance Audio Amplifiers
> Is this the same
> company
> > you refer to? ... do they have a website with
> more information?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ralph.
> >
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 5:33 PM, Arak Leatham
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't have time right now to see if you got a
> response, Crux
> Electronics
> > > In Oregon has instructions and controllers for
> that.
> > >
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:17:22 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A MUST SEE Video from Jay Leno's Garage on PHEV
Ford
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nice. interesting how foreign it is to him but great that he is
learning. you can still sense some prejudice in him when he mentions he
can still drive sports cars on weekends when we drive vehicles like
'these' on the week days. he's still stuggling with the notion that an
electric car can be fast : ) but then again so is our own Lee Hart : )
if someone had the ear of Leno they might suggest that he gets a fast EV
made. he's ideal as he has the money, the car inclination, the social
conscience and a huge audience. maybe buy one of SSI-racings' cars.
school Leno, school the world
Dan
Steven Lough wrote:
> Wow....
>
> http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video_player.shtml?vid=191255
>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:20:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juiced Up motor picture up at my site
To: Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion
List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
--- Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Jim, there was sumthin funny about the motor
> pics. If they are ADCs they
> only have two bolts per pole shoe. I think my eyes
> be seein five. Am I nuts
> or sumpthin?
>
> Roderick
Hey Rod
Is that some kind of trick question? I thought you
were famous for being nuts 8^o All the ADC 9's I've
seen have three shoe bolts and I know these only have
three!
Thanks for all the kind words, I knew this was going
to be a high profile EV and there was no way I was
letting them out the door without proper dress attire
8^)
Mike, the guy with me in the one pic is Eric and I'm
hoping he'll be a busy guy here soon as well 8^) In
general the bling doesn't make them go any better but
it does appeal to the whole show car aspect and it's
just another area I'm hoping we'll take over, hehe.
In fact WZ placed well at the rod show.
Also, as far as a hand wash, I probably just did,
LMAO, Now you know why I have to build them without
touching them 8^o Anyway they were funner to build
than these two nasty lift motors I just tore down
today, and with that said, I better get back to them.
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:23:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Fields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Price of lead
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hi,
I was wondering if others thought this odd.
On the BBC's Business page there is a listing of commodities
prices -- every single metal's price seems to be on a slide.
Lead has gone down by about a third in the last month!
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/commodities/11641/default.stm
BBC Market Data - Lead
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:25:33 -0700
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Upper theoretical limits of A123 cells
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Dec 13, 2007 11:29 AM, Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We used to think that a solar powered car could barely move in direct
> > sunlight. But teams have built solar cars that go over 70 mph on pure
> > sunlight.
>
> Have they done this without storage cells? I thought they were only
> getting those kinds of speeds by letting it sit in the sun for several
> hours charging up the batteries.
Alot of them do have storage cells (often two lead acid batteries)
that they can charge for cloudy or nighttime use, but IIRC, they are
achieving 70mph with just solar direct during the day.
Z
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