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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Zivan hookup (dale henderson)
2. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
3. Re: Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
(Roland Wiench)
4. Re: Bonneville is for everyone/ so is electricdragin
(David Dymaxion)
5. Re: Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
(Cor van de Water)
6. Re: Saving the Worst Magazine Article for the Last!
(keith vansickle)
7. Re: Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
(TrotFox Greyfoot)
8. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
9. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT (Jim Husted)
10. Re: Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement (Lee Hart)
11. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
12. VW Golf (birth of an EV) (David Dymaxion)
13. New Speed Record for Electric Vehicles ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
14. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT (Bill Dube)
15. Re: VW Golf (birth of an EV) (keith vansickle)
16. Re: Datsun 720 EV (Lock Hughes)
17. Re: Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT (Christopher Robison)
18. Re: VW Golf (birth of an EV) (Alan Brinkman)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:07:37 -0800 (PST)
From: dale henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zivan hookup
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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i left my NG1 permentany hooked up, but i don't know
if that is right or wrong
i had a 48 volt system with an axe
--- tomgocze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is probably a stupid question, but it would be
> good to know.
> Can I permanently wire in a Zivan NG3 to a battery
> pack that also has
> a Curtis 1231 on it also?
> Just wondering if there is a contactor that makes
> the charger
> connection only when the charger is powered up.
> Presently hook it up through an Andersen connector.
>
> Tom in Maine
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:14:02 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 12/17/2007 7:35:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
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> [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
> Date:12/17/2007 7:35:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> >the low sevens,but with
> >the nhra and nedra rules I will only be able to run
> >a 7.425.
>
> Why is there a limit?
> Weight?
> wheelbase?
> Frame?
> Motor location?
>
> Seems like if you can do it safely there should be a
> way to get certified?
>
> If the New NEDRA board certifies 1/8 mi records are
> you going to be able to make it to electric dragin in
> San Diego? I know it will be in the winter so the
> track may be cold but it is a pretty sticky surface as
> we have some ICE dragsters that run it in the 4 sec
> range. Just curious, What were your 60 ft and 1/8 mi
> times?
> and BTW AWSOME performance...Truly amazing
>
> kEVs
>
60ft 1.18 1/8 5.02 The dragsters cage will not certfy below 7.5 so a new
dragster will be built to run 6.00 or better. The S10 should be there at the
ca.
race. Dennis
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:16:42 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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That's what I did. Install two contactors, one on battery negative and one
on the positive. These are call safety contactors and also isolated the
battery charger current from the main main contactor, controller and motor
while charging.
I normally keep my right hand resting on the shifting lever that has a
optional small red lever that can be flick with the fingers which operated a
micro switch that can shut down the rear safety contactors. This option
switch is normally use for line lock or use to lock up a torque converter.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
> Why not consider an all electric solution?
>
> I chose a 2000 amp break current rated contactor I got from EVSOURCE.COM
> that is wired to my battery pack in the rear of the car. Just turn the
> key off and it shuts down the whole circuit. I still have the motor
> contactor as well in the front of the car. No plans to add a mechanical
> disconnect on my conversion. No need I can see.
>
> Mark Ward
> 95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
> www.saabrina.blogspot.com
>
> ---- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The goal is to open the circuit-- period.
> > Mine is located down the center tunnel, so that its'
> > location is under the handbrake. In theory, I could
> > get high-centered and somehow complete the circuit in
> > an accident, and have a 72V pack, instead of the 144
> > it runs at. But the chances of that are slim to
> > ridiculous.
> > In addition, I have fuses in the middle of the front
> > and rear packs. If those blew, that's two more
> > locations to open the circuit, bringing the max
> > voltage (again, under ridiculously slim chances) to
> > 36V.
> > If you are _certain_ the cable access will work,
> > super; go for it. But if there is somehow _any_ issue
> > getting the breaker to work, I'd opt for a
> > reassessment of your location.
> > peace,
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I have 5 batteries in the front of the Electric
> > > DeLorean and 8 batteries in
> > > the back where the motor is. My circuit breaker is
> > > in the front and will be
> > > part of my emergency disconnect. (I am planning on
> > > having a cable push the
> > > trip button on the breaker, is this a good idea?)
> > >
> > > Regarding the placement of the circuit breaker /
> > > emergency disconnect in the
> > > string, does it matter if it is electrically
> > > somewhere in the middle or can
> > > it be on the end of this split pack?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Dave Delman
> > > 1981 Electric DeLorean Project
> > > electricdelorean.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Thinking about converting a gen. 5 ('92-95) Honda Civic? My $23
> > "CivicWithACord" DVD (57 mins.) shows ins and outs you'll encounter,
> > featuring a sedan; a del Sol, and a hatchback, each running 144V/18
> > batteries. It focuses on component/instrumentation/battery placement
> > and other considerations. For more info,
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:29:10 -0800 (PST)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bonneville is for everyone/ so is electricdragin
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Unfortunately my conversion isn't done, or I would bring it. I'm still planning
to go to electricdragin, even if only as a spectator. I might have a bead on a
hybrid I can use -- are hybrids OK for autocross and drag racing? I poked
around http://www.electricdragin.com , but didn't see a schedule. What time do
things start on Saturday and wrap up on Sunday? Do you have a schedule for the
various events yet?
Autocross is more about the driver than the car. If anyone is looking for an
experienced autocrosser to drive their electric in the autocross, I'll
volunteer, please contact me offlist.
Looking ahead to the Salt Flats Sept. 17 to 20, 2008: If you think your vehicle
is 140 mph or less, you can run the 130 club. If you think it is 160 mph or
less, you can run the 150 club. There is also an electrathon class. These are
much cheaper, and have fewer requirements, than the all out classes. If you can
go over 160 mph, then you need a support vehicle and more safety gear. You can
see 130 club and 150 club rules at http://www.saltflats.com , or buy a rule
book for 160+ mph racing.
For racing on the Salt instead of drag racing, narrower tires are better than
wide. You'll need to be sure to bag any exposed electronics. Here are some
pictures of bagging efforts:
http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com/saltflats/2007worldofspeed/electricjuniordragstersaltprotection/index.html
The Singletons in the past lost a motor due to salt getting into it.
----- Original Message ----
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:09:39 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bonneville is for everyone/ so is electricdragin
OK Hook me up with someone in San Diego and I will modify my vehicle (s) for
the salt flats if you will do the same and bring your vehicles to the electric
dragin EVent. I may even take the time to come to Utah with a car hauler so
the expense will be reduced for you. We hope to finish our Jr. dragster vehicle
so you will have some heads up competition but if not we will be having bracket
racing so you can still compete for trophies and cash. Anyone else living in
the southwest should bring their vehicles as we will have an electrathon, a
scooter cross, and a gymcanna/auto cross, go cart racers for rent if you want
to experiance fast electrics. free camping, campfire stories, classes and
Green fair at electro city help us make this a great fun event and we will
reciprocate for the salt flats.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:33:44 -0800
From: "Cor van de Water" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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One conversion I know uses the breaker (under the hood on the firewall)
with a pull-cord to throw the breaker manually in case of emergency
(runaway or something like that)
I believe he uses the standard 250A 160V DC breaker that are plentiful
and work well on a 144V pack.
Reset of the breaker was by hand after opening the hood but since it was
not supposed to be operated much, this was no problem.
When combining this breaker as he did in the loop of his battery pack
you get two functions in one: emergency disconnect (in case the contactor
fails to disconnect when the controller also fails) and the normal
overcurrent protection. Overcurrent protection is also doubled up with a
fuse somewhere else in the pack, so there is double safety too.
Usually the fuse is a tad higher current than the breaker, so that
the breaker opens first and protects the one-time-use fuse of 350A for
example with a 250A breaker.
I believe that breakers are supposed to be mounted vertically to ensure
that the magnetic blowouts work.
Note that a cable cannot push, only pull.
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Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:15 AM
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Subject: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
I have 5 batteries in the front of the Electric DeLorean and 8 batteries in the
back where the motor is. My circuit breaker is in the front and will be part
of my emergency disconnect. (I am planning on having a cable push the trip
button on the breaker, is this a good idea?)
Regarding the placement of the circuit breaker / emergency disconnect in the
string, does it matter if it is electrically somewhere in the middle or can it
be on the end of this split pack?
Thank you,
Dave Delman
1981 Electric DeLorean Project
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:32:45 -0800 (PST)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Saving the Worst Magazine Article for the Last!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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John and all,
I simpathize/empathize completely but you have had
many great sucesses and even this will get some
attention.
Our electric dragin event is costing $25,000 (about
$500 per entry so far) and hundreds if not thousands
of man hours. we are even preaching to the choir and
still are having a hard time getting the interest and
support we need. sometimes it seems like we are all
fighting a losing battle but at least you, Bill Dube,
Dennis Berube. Jim Husted, and Shawn Lawless and many
others are doing big things to get respect and
publicity for electrics.
keep up the good work and don't be too discouraged
when something like this happens.
kEVs
--- John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello to All,
>
> It's been a banner year for White Zombie in terms of
> media exposure,
> what with everything from a feature story in Car and
> Driver, to the
> front cover story in the Wall Street Journal, to the
> airing of Speed
> Records, to the New York Times, and many others all
> year long. That
> said, the last magazine story about White Zombie for
> this year is
> currently on news stands. This time, it's ESPN
> magazine, the December
> 17th release being the final issue of the year
> entitled 'NEXT 2008' (The
> Future of Sports Starts Now!)
>
> Don't get excited everyone. In fact, don't even
> bother to go get a copy,
> as it will be five bucks pretty much wasted.
>
> Many probably don't know how much effort I put into
> all the press that I
> get involved with, but know that it takes a lot of
> my time. I get lots
> of phone calls, have lots of sometimes hour-long
> interviews, emails are
> sent back and forth, anywhere from a couple to 15
> digital photos are
> sent to editors, fact checkers call and take up my
> time, I look up info
> and send it out, I contact others, I answer
> questions...I could go on.
> Most of the time, all the headaches are worth it and
> a pretty good story
> comes out of all the effort...this time, it was all
> a waste!
>
> The first hint that it was going to be a downer, was
> when I was once
> again, contacted by the ESPN fact-checker. Here's an
> excerpt from her email:
>
> >I'm sorry to have to relay this, but since we spoke
> the item was cut down a lot, so it's a pretty small
> >mention with a photo. Anyway, I hope you like it...
>
>
> What was promised to be a feature multi-page story
> all about NEDRA drag
> racing to promote interest for the year 2008, has
> turned out to be 'a
> blurb' at the smallest corner of a page! ESPN
> magazine is a large format
> type, meaning it stands LARGE among the other
> magazines on the rack at
> 12 X 10 inches compared to the more standard 10.5 X
> 8 inch size. That
> makes the tiny blurb on page 68 even more stupid
> looking. The entire
> 'story' if you can call it that, consists of 5 short
> 6-7 word sentences.
>
> Oh well.....
>
> See Ya....John Wayland
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:42:15 -0500
From: "TrotFox Greyfoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Just a quick semi-smart-a$$ remark to one point of this post...
Cor,
You should really have a talk with the shift and select cables in my
Fiero. I think they're confused about this point.
Trot, the gray, fox...
On Dec 17, 2007 12:33 PM, Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<<snip>>
> Note that a cable cannot push, only pull.
<<snip>>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:43:13 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hey Congratulations on a great run! Good to hear Current Eliminator is back
in action.
Where did all this vaporware come from?
On March 8, 2007 I had the opportunity to test-drive a Phoenix Motor Cars
half ton, five-passenger pickup powered by Altairnano. The event was a Phoenix
Motor Cars unveiling in Dallas Texas.
The pickup was in perpetual motion from about 5:30PM to on past 9:00 PM (I
left at 9:00 and it was still going). There was a long line of people waiting
their turn driving the truck. You can be sure its acceleration was tested by
most. It was never charged during the whole event and it never slowed down.
Anyway, I knew then that they were certainly not vaporware.
My question: How did you get you hands on them?!! Are they for individual
sale yet?
Ken
In a message dated 12/17/2007 8:21:22 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In a message dated 12/16/2007 9:59:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Date:12/16/2007 9:59:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
> >using 55% of the energy on board, the car will be getting bigger wider
> tires
>
> At 100%, what times are possible? What about an even bigger pack?
>
> What will ultimately turn out to be the bottle neck? motor/controller/pack?
>
The batteries 3p/152s weigh about 185lbs so on this current dragster I DO NOT
need a bigger pack!There is enough power to run in the low sevens,but with
the nhra and nedra rules I will only be able to run a 7.425.With the 11 inch
145lb motor still cold at the end of the day it still has a long way to
go!The
single zilla had a very easy time pushing this 1100lb car to the lo 8s.At the
begining of the day when on the way to tech I wacked the pedal and smoked the
tires for at least 200 feet I new we would have a good day.We started racing
with 42 degreeF and ended with 85 degreeF.The Altair Nanosafe batteries are
not
vaporware!!!!!! Dennis Berube
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:45:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hey Dennis
I almost missed this due to it's subject line. Just
wanted to chime in and say congrats on some awesome
runs!!!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:34:23 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Circuit Breaker / Emergency Disconnect placement
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have 5 batteries in the front of the Electric DeLorean and 8
> batteries in the back where the motor is. My circuit breaker is in
> the front and will be part of my emergency disconnect. (I am
> planning on having a cable push the trip button on the breaker, is
> this a good idea?)
This should be fine with almost any modern circuit breaker. They are
"trip free", which means holding the button or lever won't keep them
from tripping anyway. You just have to arrange your remote mechanical
operator so it works reliably to switch the breaker on and off
(especially off).
> Regarding the placement of the circuit breaker / emergency disconnect
> in the string, does it matter if it is electrically somewhere in the
> middle or can it be on the end of this split pack?
Electrically, it doesn't matter where you break the circuit in a series
string. The current is the same everywhere, and the voltage across the
open breaker is the same everywhere.
Mechanically, there are sometimes reasons to put it in certain places.
It may fit better, or be easier to get at, or breaks the pack into two
lower-voltage groups to be safer during servicing, etc.
--
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Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:25:19 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hey Congratulations on a great run! Good to hear Current Eliminator is back
in action.
Where did all this vaporware come from?
On March 8, 2007 I had the opportunity to test-drive a Phoenix Motor Cars
half ton, five-passenger pickup powered by Altairnano. The event was a
Phoenix
Motor Cars unveiling in Dallas Texas.
The pickup was in perpetual motion from about 5:30PM to on past 9:00 PM (I
left at 9:00 and it was still going). There was a long line of people
waiting
their turn driving the truck. You can be sure its acceleration was tested
by
most. It was never charged during the whole event and it never slowed down.
Anyway, I knew then that they were certainly not vaporware.
My question: How did you get you hands on them?!! Are they for individual
sale yet?
Ken
----------------------------
There was mention of vaporware on the list a few weeks ago from someone
trying to get high power cells from Altairnano when we were waist deep in
batteries putting modules together for the race car and we couldn't say a
thing,
just laugh to ourselves.
The cells in the Phoenix project have been around for a while but the high
power ones (that will be used for hybrids) were assembled just for the
"Current Eliminator" and are not in full production yet.
Check the Altairnano web site for more detail.
Jim..............just can't wait for the NEDRA drags in San Diego.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:30:17 -0800 (PST)
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] VW Golf (birth of an EV)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: EV Interest Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Kyle of http://www.ZEVUtah.com asked if I would stop by and help him track down
a fuse blowing problem. I have to give the EVDL credit for lots of practical
knowledge on EVs! Thank you Lee Hart et al.
Anyway, it turns out he had a bad relay and a bad diode. He replaced those, and
we double checked everything was wired up correctly. We thought all was
Nirvana, tapped the accelerator, and nothing! Rats! Hmmm, motor is wired up
correct. Hmmm, ammeter says it is getting current. Hmmm, wheels and motor turn
freely. It turns out we were just being impatient, the Curtis had a very slow
ramp rate. Yes! Wheelspin! I never thought I would be so happy to see wheelspin
that didn't involve tire smoke!
You can see a very short video here:
http://groups.google.com/group/utah-ev-interest/web/FirstSpin.wmv
We turned up the ramp rate on the Curtis, so response is much quicker now. We
also turned down the current limit all the way while he is debugging. Kyle
still has things to do, like DC-DC, charger, rest of the batteries... It was
still really neat to see it could drive, though, and that it is just details
now for him.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:30:52 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] New Speed Record for Electric Vehicles
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Sorry, I reposted this so the gear heads could find it.
On Saturday Dec 15th at Speed World Drag Strip in AZ, Altairnano batteries
powered Dennis Berube's dragster "Current Eliminator 5 " to a new NEDRA record.
Starting with the first run of the day at about 30% power the car ran 10.047
ET @ 128.71 MPH.
Second run was 9.957 ET @ 129 MPH.
Third run we turned the Zilla up to 40%. Dennis staged the car, came off the
line strong and when he put his foot in it, the car made a violent left turn
and spun out and rolled backwards down the drag strip, he didn't hit
anything and the car was untouched, the crowd went wild, a fantastic job of
driving.
He then drove back to the starting line and back to the pits so we could
check the car out thoroughly. The only thing we found was a dirty spot in the
drivers seat.
The problem with running a high powered vehicle this time of year is a cold
track surface. Early morning it was only 45 degrees, very cold to the touch
and at the end of the day it was only 63 degrees, still very cold and very
hard to get traction.
Forth run, after a very large burn out to get some heat in the tires, Dennis
rolled to the starting line and made a perfect run of 8.84 @ 144 MPH.
Fifth run, turn the Zilla up a little bit, do giant burn out and roll to
starting line, and as soon as Dennis hits the peddle the car doesn't move an
inch and the tires go up in smoke.
Now it's passed mid day and the track is starting to cool down so we have to
try something else.
Sixth run, giant burn out all the way past the starting line about 50 feet,
push the car back to the line in the exact hot/sticky tire prints for a run
of 8.40 @148 MPH.
A new record for Dennis, but of coarse he wants more so back to the pits to
get ice for the Zilla and another 12 minute charge for this awesome battery
pack.
Seventh run, bump the Zilla up another 5% and do it again 8.23 @ 150 MPH.
By this time everyone in the stands and all the track personal are going
crazy, to make this many runs and chop time off EVry run is extremely rare.
But
Dennis gets a bright idea, on the eight and last run he follows a
supercharged alcohol dragster to the starting line, as soon as the
supercharged car left
the line Dennis rolled up in his big wide hot tire marks and blasts an
awesome 8.10 @ 153 MPH.
After 8 hard runs and quick turn arounds the motor never got over 85
degrees, the commutater looked like new and the brushes we picture perfect.
Dennis
says this motor has over 150 runs on it with no signs of wear or arcing since
he built it.
With bigger tires, warmer conditions he is looking for some serious 7
second runs.
We had no idea this car was going to have this much power, we were only
using 55% of the energy on board, the car will be getting bigger wider tires
for
the next time out
So to answer any questions about Altairnano Lithium batteries, yes they are
VERY REAL.
Jim Ludiker...........what a fantastic day.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:59:32 -0700
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Well, the race is on now! :-)
Glad you have batteries that are working for you Dennis.
It wasn't 100% clear from the previous note. What is the new NEDRA
dragster record going to be?
Bill Dube'
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:23:30 -0800 (PST)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] VW Golf (birth of an EV)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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the vedio came up with the can't find this page on my
computer. Is there another link?
kEVs
--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle of http://www.ZEVUtah.com asked if I would stop
> by and help him track down a fuse blowing problem. I
> have to give the EVDL credit for lots of practical
> knowledge on EVs! Thank you Lee Hart et al.
>
>
>
> Anyway, it turns out he had a bad relay and a bad
> diode. He replaced those, and we double checked
> everything was wired up correctly. We thought all
> was Nirvana, tapped the accelerator, and nothing!
> Rats! Hmmm, motor is wired up correct. Hmmm, ammeter
> says it is getting current. Hmmm, wheels and motor
> turn freely. It turns out we were just being
> impatient, the Curtis had a very slow ramp rate.
> Yes! Wheelspin! I never thought I would be so happy
> to see wheelspin that didn't involve tire smoke!
>
>
>
> You can see a very short video here:
>
>
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/utah-ev-interest/web/FirstSpin.wmv
>
>
> We turned up the ramp rate on the Curtis, so
> response is much quicker now. We also turned down
> the current limit all the way while he is debugging.
> Kyle still has things to do, like DC-DC, charger,
> rest of the batteries... It was still really neat to
> see it could drive, though, and that it is just
> details now for him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:35:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Datsun 720 EV
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Robert - what he said !
Makes too much sense...
:)
L
--- Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was thinking of doing a split pack, 1/2 on board, 1/2 on a trailer.
> Lock Hughes wrote:
> > So I don't suggest an extra pack without expecting some easy way to
> > manhandle things, like a chain hoist and strong overhead supports.
> 144v
> > of 8v floodies, in their own "plug-in" battery box would be about
> > 1,500lbs in weight!
> >
> > Two packs like this, 3,000lbs! Don't even know whether the Datsun
> can
> > handle this weight? Ya get into issues about suspension and
> handling
> > and where the weight is placed in the vehicle...
> >
> >
> I was thinking of doing a split pack, 1/2 on board, 1/2 on a trailer.
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:53:10 -0600
From: Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Altairnano batteries vaporware?? NOT
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 12:43 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Where did all this vaporware come from?
>
> On March 8, 2007 I had the opportunity to test-drive a Phoenix Motor Cars
> half ton, five-passenger pickup powered by Altairnano. The event was a
> Phoenix
> Motor Cars unveiling in Dallas Texas.
>
> The pickup was in perpetual motion from about 5:30PM to on past 9:00 PM (I
> left at 9:00 and it was still going). There was a long line of people
> waiting
> their turn driving the truck. You can be sure its acceleration was tested by
> most. It was never charged during the whole event and it never slowed down.
> Anyway, I knew then that they were certainly not vaporware.
You can be sure it was at least tested by me. The Phoenix guy in the
truck (I recall he was in some technical role, not sales) encouraged it,
and didn't bat an eye when I floored it. Wouldn't win a drag race, but I
was really impressed with the acceleration. Mine was among the
late-middle of the evening's test drives, as it was starting to get
dark.
The regen was really stout too. Their algorithm needed some work at the
time, as the force was really a bit too strong and sudden (i.e.
passengers thrown forward) when lifting off the pedal at high speed, and
decreased a bit too much as the vehicle slowed.
Performance and cornering were impressive as well, though I admittedly
didn't push this quite as far to the limit. Batteries were placed on a
plate under the majority of the vehicle's length so weight distribution
was low and mostly centered. The build quality still remained
prototypish both there and under the hood, but it was obviously well
designed in the broader sense and very fun to drive.
I think the Ssangyong truck was a pretty good choice for a glider body,
with a significant amount of underbody space to put these AltairNano
batteries (which were standard rectangular modules, not sure exactly how
tall), with the plate hanging down only a couple inches from the bottom
of the frame rails. For what it's worth though, I am curious about their
apparent decision to base their logo off of something as ephemeral as
Ssangyong's current front grille design. I guess it looks like a phoenix
though. :o)
--
Christopher Robison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:06 -0800
From: "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] VW Golf (birth of an EV)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Keith,
The video comes up under Windows Media Player on my computer. Maybe the
Internet is down between you and where the video is stored?
The video is short, shows a nice chrome rim spinning, but it is the
audio you have to hear, sort of an audio version of the EV grin,
exciting to get an electric vehicle actually working!!!
Alan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of keith vansickle
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:24 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] VW Golf (birth of an EV)
the vedio came up with the can't find this page on my
computer. Is there another link?
kEVs
--- David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kyle of http://www.ZEVUtah.com asked if I would stop
> by and help him track down a fuse blowing problem. I
> have to give the EVDL credit for lots of practical
> knowledge on EVs! Thank you Lee Hart et al.
>
>
>
> Anyway, it turns out he had a bad relay and a bad
> diode. He replaced those, and we double checked
> everything was wired up correctly. We thought all
> was Nirvana, tapped the accelerator, and nothing!
> Rats! Hmmm, motor is wired up correct. Hmmm, ammeter
> says it is getting current. Hmmm, wheels and motor
> turn freely. It turns out we were just being
> impatient, the Curtis had a very slow ramp rate.
> Yes! Wheelspin! I never thought I would be so happy
> to see wheelspin that didn't involve tire smoke!
>
>
>
> You can see a very short video here:
>
>
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/utah-ev-interest/web/FirstSpin.wmv
>
>
> We turned up the ramp rate on the Curtis, so
> response is much quicker now. We also turned down
> the current limit all the way while he is debugging.
> Kyle still has things to do, like DC-DC, charger,
> rest of the batteries... It was still really neat to
> see it could drive, though, and that it is just
> details now for him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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