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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Dan Frederiksen)
2. Re: Sunrise resurrection (Dan Frederiksen)
3. Re: Sunrise resurrection ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
4. Re: Sunrise resurrection (m gol)
5. Re: 3 Wheeled Vehicles (Arak Leatham)
6. Re: 3 Wheeled Vehicles (Arak Leatham)
7. Re: It LIVES! (Dan Frederiksen)
8. Re: Sunrise resurrection (MIKE WILLMON)
9. Re: It LIVES! (Dave Oliveria)
10. Re: Three-Wheelers at NEDRA Events ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
11. Re: It LIVES! (Bob Bath)
12. Re: Battery Question (Roland Wiench)
13. Re: White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube (John in Ma)
14. Re: White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube (David Hrivnak)
15. Re: ThunderSky YahooGroup (OT) (Jeff Shanab)
16. Re: 3 Wheeled Vehicles (Jeff Shanab)
17. Re: [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla? (Morgan LaMoore)
18. Re: [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla? (Jeff Shanab)
19. Re: It LIVES! (Morgan LaMoore)
20. Re: White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube (Morgan LaMoore)
21. Re: lifePO4 battery pack 24v 80ah (shred)
22. Re: Resistive optocoupler (Martin K)
23. EV Related domain name for sale (mreish)
24. Re: [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla? (damon henry)
25. You count more than Tesla - Was: What is happening at Tesla?
(Arak Leatham)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:53:27 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I was quoted 90$ shipping to the port in my town
quite a journey by sea from china to denmark
m gol wrote:
> 7.5kw 96V $525
>
> 11kw 144V motor $550
>
> I'm sure shipping is going to be high...might be better to stay with D&D
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:02:07 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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EVDL Administrator wrote:
> http://www.sunrise-ev.com/pics/
>
interesting. that's essentially all I was looking for. shame about the
dates though
I take it the body work is of the new design fitting the chosen stock doors?
looks like rough assembly might not be too far off.
should be interesting to see it if it ever gets done. I say if to not
put pressure on it.
an attempt should not come with the threat of ridicule if it isn't completed
Dan
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:54:46 GMT
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection
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Having done a bit of mold repair, and autobody over the years...He defineatly
started with a rough proposition. Almost less work to have started with a big
chunk of urethane foam and carved it to desired shape....I don't like where the
stuck the mold seams either...
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:57:56 -0900
From: "m gol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Is there a doggy door in some of those pictures?
Where's the dog pictures?
On Jan 18, 2008 9:15 PM, EVDL Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2008 at 4:34, Dan Frederiksen wrote:
>
> > if secrecy is so laughable, is there a place to see pictures of the EV2
> > work? has any picture been shown?
>
> A search of the EVDL archive turns up this link :
>
> http://www.sunrise-ev.com/pics/
>
> Lee's comment on these photos :
>
> > These are really just "grab shots" that we put there as filler while we
> > are setting up the website. They aren't intended for public consumption.
>
> One thing more. Before anyone starts making glowering accusations about
> the
> datestamps on those files, I will tell you that the reason is that Lee
> simply didn't set the date on the digital camera.
>
> The point is that if you've been reading the EVDL for a while you know at
> least a little about the status of this effort. If you haven't, then you
> probably don't.
>
> A regular EVDL reader would also know something about Lee Hart (at least
> one
> with normal empathy would). To such a person, his choice to not publicize
> a
> product that isn't yet a product would be no surprise. I'm sure Lee's
> thought it through thoroughly. That's his nature.
>
> Besides, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of attempts to build a production EV
> have started by expending limited resources on PR and advertising. How
> many
> of these efforts are selling EVs right now? Don't you think that a
> rational
> individual might learn from that experience, and take a different
> approach?
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:08:20 -0700
From: Arak Leatham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles
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OK I will send it. I also found a second way, I posted it elsewhere.
This is the totally wierd 3wheeled dragster.(tW3D)
http://www.theoscarproject.org/./components/com_joomlaboard/uploaded/images/Falcone.JPG
Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008
06:52:15 +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Subject: Re:
[EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles> > No joy - you can't post attachments to the list
email> address. Could you re-send to my home address:> dave.woolard(at)mac.com
. thanks> > Cheers> DaveW> > > --- Arak Leatham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >
> > Wierd is sometimes fun and sometimes you derive a> > useful idea from
it..see attached..I hope it posts> > OK I couldn't find the original so I had
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:33:39 -0700
From: Arak Leatham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles
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Ouch, That one was the 1f2r version
this is the 2f1r version, Now I'm not sure which is the right one.
Anyone else seen something like this?
http://www.theoscarproject.org/./components/com_joomlaboard/uploaded/images/Falcone_Taddy.JPG
Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:08:20 -0700> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3
Wheeled Vehicles> > > OK I will send it. I also found a second way, I posted it
elsewhere.> > This is the totally wierd 3wheeled dragster.(tW3D)> >
http://www.theoscarproject.org/./components/com_joomlaboard/uploaded/images/Falcone.JPG>
> > > > > > > > Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer> Date: Sat,
19 Jan 2008 06:52:15 +0000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles> > No joy - you can't post attachments
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:38:08 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It LIVES!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Bob Rice wrote:
> As I said! FINALLY got the "Garage Queen" 87 Datsun, er, I mean ,Nissan
> Sentra to actually GO!
nice. if you have a multimeter try measuring the pot through its range.
video of baby's first steps is also nice :)
Dan
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:12:42 -0900
From: MIKE WILLMON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection
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I think to get Mike's drift you gotta know how many dogs he has ;-)
You know if you have enough of them you don't even need a motor in that Geo ;-P
So I'm wondering is the rear end differential is an 8.8" from a Cougar or
T-Bird. I always thought mounting the motor directly to the diff would be
neat, but on a solid rear axle it would add unspring weight. I suppose with an
IRS, the weight of the chunk (and motor mounted to it) are carried by the
frame. That saves wasted space in a tunnel for a drive shaft. Even better
would be to rotate the chunk up 90 degrees and have the motor stick up behind a
back seat. Then you totally save the tunnel and the trunk.
:-)
the other Mike from Alaska
----- Original Message -----
From: m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Is there a doggy door in some of those pictures?
> Where's the dog pictures?
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 9:15 PM, EVDL Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 19 Jan 2008 at 4:34, Dan Frederiksen wrote:
> >
> > > if secrecy is so laughable, is there a place to see pictures
> of the EV2
> > > work? has any picture been shown?
> >
> > A search of the EVDL archive turns up this link :
> >
> > http://www.sunrise-ev.com/pics/
> >
> > Lee's comment on these photos :
> >
> > > These are really just "grab shots" that we put there as filler
> while we
> > > are setting up the website. They aren't intended for public
> consumption.>
> > One thing more. Before anyone starts making glowering
> accusations about
> > the
> > datestamps on those files, I will tell you that the reason is
> that Lee
> > simply didn't set the date on the digital camera.
> >
> > The point is that if you've been reading the EVDL for a while
> you know at
> > least a little about the status of this effort. If you haven't,
> then you
> > probably don't.
> >
> > A regular EVDL reader would also know something about Lee Hart
> (at least
> > one
> > with normal empathy would). To such a person, his choice to not
> publicize> a
> > product that isn't yet a product would be no surprise. I'm sure
> Lee's> thought it through thoroughly. That's his nature.
> >
> > Besides, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of attempts to build a
> production EV
> > have started by expending limited resources on PR and
> advertising. How
> > many
> > of these efforts are selling EVs right now? Don't you think
> that a
> > rational
> > individual might learn from that experience, and take a different
> > approach?
> >
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> > EVDL Administrator
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:32:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Oliveria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It LIVES!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Bob,
CONGRATULATIONS on getting the 87 Sentra going! You've been putting a lot of
hours into getting her going again, glad for your success! Think she'll be
ready for test rides at the next NEEAA meeting?
Dave
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From: Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 2:28:42 AM
Subject: [EVDL] It LIVES!
He EVerybody;
As I said! FINALLY got the "Garage Queen" 87 Datsun, er, I mean ,Nissan
Sentra to actually GO! The second try was the charm! The second Curtis
controller squeeled happily to life, twerling the 8'motor. Let 'er out of
the garage and out through the cold CT air! FIRST issue: Only"part" of the
throttle, like if you go past, maybe, half throttle, it cuts out. After you
got" used" to this quirk, it went right along! Anybody ELSE running Curti
with the 5k potbox? Do they get crody and just sorta skip spots? I'm
guessing that's my issue. Will try a different potbox, tomorrow.With a full
throttle sweep, powerwise it should go along, nicely, for a 90 volt car?
Main thing here; ANOTHER EV returns to service!
Seeya
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:33:32 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Three-Wheelers at NEDRA Events
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I do not know all of the differences between a Sparrow and an NmG, however,
our NmG, "Tweety" is driven in the 70's daily. Either Heidi or I drive it to
work every day and it sees plenty of freeway time. I have a favorite stretch
of road where I exceed 70 everytime traffic allows (that stretch has a 50 MPH
speed limit so sometimes there is too much traffic).
Shawn is right about the short wheel base. It is extremely responsive and I
can see where some might think it is too responsive (twitchy, as Shawn puts
it). I really like that responsiveness and can't help hot-rodding it. It is
never driven "Mrs. Daisy" style, and have never had a problem. Lots of
unintentional (and intentional) burnouts and skids, but it is easy to recover -
just
get off of it.
By the way, it doesn't take much to add power to an NmG. It has a 1K Zilla
and you can easily turn it up.
Drifting? Last year I posted an email about drifting Tweety. I added that
post to the end of this email.
After driving the NmG, daily, for over a year now, I just don't see a
problem. Just my take on the subject...
I am still curious if there have ever been any 3 wheeler accidents at the
drag strip.
Ken
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In a message dated 1/18/2008 9:21:08 PM Central Standard Time,
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I actually rolled one back in 2006.
I went to the boat dock to check gas on my Pontoon
boat and on the trip home I decided to hit the
accelerator a little too hard. I was coming off
gravel and going on pavement with the wheels slightly
turned. When the rear wheel grabbed pavement the
Sparrow decided to take a roll. Luckily the roll went
into the grass and I was amazed that after going
completely sideways the Sparrow rolled back up on all
3 wheels. Wish I had video of that experience! Minor
damage was done to the Sparrow, but I think Dana Myers
is still pissed off about my driving!
I also drove this Sparrow at 75 MPH on the freeway, a
real white knuckle experience, would rather keep these
birds under 55 MPH!
Just my opinion, others may vary :-)
Rod
--- Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Have there actually been any Sparrow / NmG
> accidents while racing?
>
> Maybe not in stock form; but if one were to mod a
> Sparrow for more
> power/performance and got it sideways while
> accelerating? I think
> someone on this list rolled one on the street once.
>
> Top heavy, rollover prone, or just to narrow? Take
> one out and do
> some drifting and see how it handles.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kjaxez9OIX8
>
> This video's tranquil..
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=zpY6Ya9EX6c
>
Drifting Tweety....
It really wasn?t intentional, just one of those situational things.
While on my way to work, I was sitting at a traffic light. There was a
car facing me in the opposite lane. I need to turn left. The light
turns green and I am waiting for the on-coming car to go, but, he is
just sitting there looking at me. I guess he is trying to figure out
what this silly looking thing is. Now a car is approaching behind him
and I know he is wondering why this guy is sitting at a green light.
Then I notice the driver waving at me to go. I?m thinking this is just
not right, but we are all just sitting here. So I decide to go quickly
so as not to force the on-coming driver to have to stop at the green
light and besides, now there are cars behind me. Then I notice the
on-coming car accelerating and apparently the driver of the stopped car
notices also so he starts to go. I?m already out in the intersection,
feeling a bit hurried, so I punch it just a little. The tire broke
into a loud burnout and instantly, I am sideways. I quickly turn back
to the right to prevent spinning like a top and now I?m drifting
sideways. I?m thinking, ?Hey this is kinda fun! I notice that now I
am face to face with a Mercedes that is stopped at the red light in the
opposite lane. I can plainly see the shock on his wide eyed face. I
guess he can see my embarrassed face saying, ?Hey, I didn?t really mean
it!? I continue the drift on around the Mercedes and lined up centered
in the right lane and drove on down the road as if nothing happened.
It was a beautiful thing, although a bit embarrassing.
Ken
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:10:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It LIVES!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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You are correct. This is commonly discussed on the
list. I have an inductive throttle, which leads to
static on the FM radio, but never needs replacing,
while the carbon on the potentiometer rubs off and
leads to needing replacement.
My money's on that.
FIRST
> issue: Only"part" of the
> throttle, like if you go past, maybe, half throttle,
> it cuts out. After you
> got" used" to this quirk, it went right along!
> Anybody ELSE running Curti
> with the 5k potbox? Do they get crody and just sorta
> skip spots? I'm
> guessing that's my issue. Will try a different
> potbox, tomorrow.With a full
> throttle sweep, powerwise it should go along,
> nicely, for a 90 volt car?
> Main thing here; ANOTHER EV returns to service!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:08:08 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Question
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Hello Pete,
These are the same type of batteries, I am using for my electric bike. I am
using a 24 volt/7-12AH capacity brick charger that is design for charging
two of these batteries connected in series. The maximum output ampere of
the charger is at 1.5 amps. So if you remove all of 7 AH from these
batteries, it takes about 6 to 8 hours to charge.
The only indication on this charger is a LED that turns from RED to GREEN
when charge. You then must unplug this type of charger, cannot leave it
plug in all the time. After a charge, the voltage should be about 12.4 to
12.6 volts.
These batteries need to be kept at a full charge when not in use. If you
let these batteries set for any length of time without a full charge, you
will damage your battery cells.
These batteries are good for about 100 charge cycles.
You can get these chargers from bike shops and battery shops.
Roland
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Subject: [EVDL] Battery Question
>
> I can get a bunch of these that may still have some useful life left in
> them.
> I need to do some checking but wanted to know from you guys what these may
> be good for? I was thinking of using some for my electric bicycle and some
> to do short tests for my large shunt motor. I need something to make sure
> my
> control system is working properly. I have a chance to get 46 of them.
> They
> were being used in a battery back up system for a large imaging machine at
> our hospital. Nuke Med Dept. One batch was changed today. $900 bucks worth
> of batteries. There are two packs of 46 and one pack is still working
> fine.
> They are old and I don't expect much life left but the ones still in are
> pumping out full voltage. Two wires were found to be disconnected when
> they
> pulled the packs and it may be that they were not being fully charged and
> some of them may still be good. Any good way to test them? I do have a
> bike
> motor and my big car motor!
>
> These will be free.
>
> Pete : )
>
> Yuasa NP7-12 - 12V 7AH SLA Battery
> VOLT:, 12.0. AH:, 7.0. LENGTH:, 5.94. WIDTH:, 2.56. HEIGHT:, 3.84.
> WEIGHT:,
> 5.5 ...
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:16:31 -0500
From: John in Ma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
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Cool video.
I don't mean to start a heads up vs bracket racing war, but is some
of the IMPRESSIVE spanking off the line that WZ gives the Maserati
driver reaction time or is mostly the cars?
On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:57 AM, John Wayland wrote:
> Hello to All,
> Last weekend my nephew Wil Christensen and I put together a fun
> video I
> thought fellow EVers might enjoy. It's from the last day of drag
> racing
> (August 25th) with White Zombie in 2007 when we took part in the
> 'Street
> Warriorz' races at PIR. Running on the heavy lead acid pack and
> with the
> extra weight of the 6 point roll bar, and with a not-too-healthy
> Siamese
> 8 motor (that blew on the very next race against the Z06 Vette) the
> low
> 12 second pass isn't one of our best ETs, but the race was still a lot
> of fun.
>
> <snip>
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGQSQAz9v6c
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:36:08 -0500
From: David Hrivnak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
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One of the neat characteristics of an electric motor is they develop maximum
torque at 0 RPM or start. A gas engine reaches it at about 3000 RPM. So an
electric should have an advantage off the line.
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Cool video.
I don't mean to start a heads up vs bracket racing war, but is some
of the IMPRESSIVE spanking off the line that WZ gives the Maserati
driver reaction time or is mostly the cars?
On Jan 18, 2008, at 1:57 AM, John Wayland wrote:
> Hello to All,
> Last weekend my nephew Wil Christensen and I put together a fun
> video I
> thought fellow EVers might enjoy. It's from the last day of drag
> racing
> (August 25th) with White Zombie in 2007 when we took part in the
> 'Street
> Warriorz' races at PIR. Running on the heavy lead acid pack and
> with the
> extra weight of the 6 point roll bar, and with a not-too-healthy
> Siamese
> 8 motor (that blew on the very next race against the Z06 Vette) the
> low
> 12 second pass isn't one of our best ETs, but the race was still a lot
> of fun.
>
> <snip>
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGQSQAz9v6c
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:44:59 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ThunderSky YahooGroup (OT)
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I had done a little research on cell construction a while ago.
With the lithium cobolt cells and the older electrolytes, everything had
to be done in an inner atmosphere to keep moisture and oxygen out.
Now they have aqueas binders, mix, spread on the plates and colander(run
between rollers). This part of the operation can now be done be less
trained people with no expensive equipment.
Now, after this is done the plates must be dried. From that point on
assembly is done in an inert atmosphere box, but I have heard of
companies that purge the assembly instead by pumping inert gas thru. I
think they use a heavier than air gas to have it displace the air
before the final step which is to pull a vacuum, check that it holds,
then let the vacuum draw in the electrolyte. Cell sits on scale to
measure the electrolyte in.
Seal it up and commission charge then test and ship
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:55:43 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles
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In response to ... "Putting the two rear wheels in line..
Just put them in line off center. on the side that needs to react from
the torque of the launch??
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:12:23 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla?
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Yeah, but it seems like the GM Volt is a direct response to the Tesla
Roadster. If Tesla goes under, it would give GM an excuse to not build
the Volt, much like the weakening of CARB's mandates gave them an
excuse to get rid of the EV1.
I don't know if their customer relations could handle another issue
like that, but Tesla going under would certainly make it much more of
an option.
-Morgan LaMoore
On Jan 19, 2008 1:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some of them don't need any excuses to drag their feet. There is an
> interview of the main guy behind the Volvo Recharge project and I almost had
> a spit-take when he casually said that the technology in the concept won't
> be available to consumers for a decade or more!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> that's short sighted. if Tesla fails completely that might give fat auto
> the excuse to drag their feet some more. maybe take 5 years more of our
> lives.
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 08:23:31 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla?
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>
> I'm certainly not worried about it. It has zero affect on me or anyone I
> care about. They are building products that I will likely never be able to
> afford, and I suspect in the end they will fold like every startup auto
> manufacturer does. When was the last time that anyone besides the corporate
> behemoths successfully put a line of automobiles on America's highways?
>
> If you want an Electric Car read this list and figure out how to convert one
> yourself or pay someone else to do it for you. I don't expect that to change
> anytime soon.
>
> damon
Wow. The negativity of that comment about knocked me off my chair.
I take it you haven't read through their pages on the master plan.
1) Sell the high performance roadster first.
2) leverage the profit to build a 4 door luxury sedan
3) leverage the luxury sedan sales to fund a lower cost car for the
rest of us.
While I would of liked someone to hit the ground running with a car I
can afford, I understand the logic here.
What if battery packs in qty 100 cost 25K but could be 8K in qty 30,000
If I sell 100 $100,000 roadsters that is 10 million dollars of income to
work with
if I sell 30,000 $20,000 4 doors that is 600 million dollars of income.
but 100 * 25K is 2.5Million in battery pack money up front. 7.5
Million profit or 75K/car - 300% profit
but 30000 * 8K is 240Million in upfront battery cost. 360
Million profit or 12K/car - 150% profit
Now I am sure that they arn't paying these prices and I am using the
battery as the whole car price, just for illustration.
Now we gotta pay people and equipment costs and space to make 100 cars
vs 30000 cars.
Now If a company already had the people and facility and other models
making income.....(OMG, GM has NO excuse.)
Perhaps this is a way of getting your foot in the door without having it
smashed. GM is not worried about Tesla.(but maybe they should be,
corvette sales?)
If they immediately went after the midsize sedan market, I am sure it
would attract the attention of marketing lawyers at the big 3, The
negative ads would be worse than a presidential campaign.
I have worked for a company that had 55 people, they thought that was
big business and closed their doors because they didn't know how to
become a bigger company. Now I work for a company that has 2700 people,
They know to call that a medium size company. But the company has merged
with a big multinational and there are daily emails of people leaving,
being hired, and changing positions. Projects got canceled (everthing I
did for over a year, canceled) and new projects.
I am not worried because I know this is part of business.
The Tada motors nano is built with a small manufacture philosophy, the
car design was in a plastics technology magazine 10 or so years ago when
they were designing the process. Chrysler wanted to built these
shippable car companies that could be set up in emerging markets in
short time to make these. India was their target. I guess they sold the
idea off. (this car is injection molded in two halfs and glued together.
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:51:29 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It LIVES!
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Hi,
Actually, I think the cutting out at half throttle issue is electrical
in nature. You're connecting one pot to two controllers, right? Each
one puts current through it, so the Curtis sees twice as much pot
voltage when it gives the same amount of current (because each Curtis
is putting out that much currnet). That means that the Curtis sees
twice the actual resistance, and gives you twice as much throttle as
it should. When it goes over 2.5k, it thinks there's 5k-10k, which it
isn't designed to deal with. It probably cuts out as a safety feature,
"thinking" there's a damaged pot.
To fix this, you need a 2.5k pot. There's an easy way to fake this, though:
A cheap/easy fix would be to put a 5k resistor in parallel with the
pot. That would alter your throttle response, though. Here's a graph
of the new throttle response:
http://www.frontiernet.net/~nagromo/etc/new_throttle_response.png
The x axis is the pot position and the y axis is the command your
controller "sees". The ideal response would be a straight line from
the origin to 0.5 throttle at max pot position. What you're actually
getting is a straight line from the origin to 1.0 throttle at max
position. (0.5 throttle would be half for a single curtis, but is max
for two curtises.)
As you can see, the response with a 5k resistor is close to the
"ideal" response, but it curves slightly up in the middle.
While it's not a perfectly straight line, it's probably close enough
to drive normally. It will feel a lot more normal than your current
throttle response, at least.
You can attach the 5k resistor wherever is most convenient. You could
attach it directly between pot high and pot low of one controller, or
you could attach it to the two terminals of the pot.
-Morgan LaMoore
On Jan 19, 2008 1:28 AM, Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the garage and out through the cold CT air! FIRST issue: Only"part" of the
> throttle, like if you go past, maybe, half throttle, it cuts out. After you
> got" used" to this quirk, it went right along! Anybody ELSE running Curti
> with the 5k potbox? Do they get crody and just sorta skip spots? I'm
> guessing that's my issue. Will try a different potbox, tomorrow.With a full
> throttle sweep, powerwise it should go along, nicely, for a 90 volt car?
> Main thing here; ANOTHER EV returns to service!
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:06:20 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
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On Jan 19, 2008 9:16 AM, John in Ma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't mean to start a heads up vs bracket racing war, but is some
> of the IMPRESSIVE spanking off the line that WZ gives the Maserati
> driver reaction time or is mostly the cars?
It looks to me like about 0.1s of it is driver reaction time, and the
rest is the cars.
Look for when the Maserati's wheel starts turning; there's a very
small driver reaction time difference, but not much.
-Morgan LaMoore
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:53:46 -0800 (PST)
From: shred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] lifePO4 battery pack 24v 80ah
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Your right.
I did my math backwards.
Neal
you mean $1.43 ??
2747/(24x80)
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:09:01 -0500
From: Martin K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Resistive optocoupler
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Wouldn't you want some feedback? I'm willing to bet it changes wildly
with temperature.
-
Martin
Lee Hart wrote:
> A week or so ago, I mentioned photoresistive optocouplers. Today, a flyer
> arrived from Electronic Goldmine <www.goldmine-elec.com> that offers:
>
> Audio Opto Coupler, G15396, $0.69 each. Tiny black epoxy case about the size
> of a pencil eraser. Inside is a 2-lead photoresistive cell (not a photodiode
> or phototransistor) and a 2-lead LED. The photocell resistance varies from
> 150K up to megohms when the LED is off, to under 400 ohms when the LED is on
> at 10-16 ma.
>
> This could give you a way to drive the potbox input of a Curtis or other
> controller with an isolated voltage or current source.
>
> Making the simple complicated is commonplace. Making the complicated simple,
> awesomely simple; that's creativity! -- Charles Mingus
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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:56:37 -0500
From: mreish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] EV Related domain name for sale
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Well, not really for sale but for transfer. I was going to convert a
Fiero so I bought ElectricFiero.com.
I've since decided not to do a Fiero and don't want to domain name to
slip into the hands of a cyber squatter who will try to sell it back
to you at 10x the price.
If you want to pay for the transfer to your registrar, you can have
the name. I want to see it go to a good home, please.
Mike
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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:01:48 +0000
From: damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla?
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> Wow. The negativity of that comment about knocked me off my chair.
>
> I take it you haven't read through their pages on the master plan.
> 1) Sell the high performance roadster first.
> 2) leverage the profit to build a 4 door luxury sedan
> 3) leverage the luxury sedan sales to fund a lower cost car for the
> rest of us.
>
I understand their plan, I just don't think it will work. I think the only way
America (other countries may be different) will have dealerships full of
Electric Cars that I can go buy just like a gasser is if the large established
auto manufacturers do it. They have too much money and power and will use
every means possible to protect their business from new comers and to continue
to define the market in a way which maximizes their profits.
I fully expect Tesla to fail, but that is just my opinion and worth every cent
you paid for it :-)
damon
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:34:25 -0700
From: Arak Leatham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] You count more than Tesla - Was: What is happening at
Tesla?
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I don't think Testla is helping as much as the EV professionals on this EVDL.
There was an interview of the new Ford CEO. Thier focus is 100% in survival
mode.
I got the feeling they did not care what turn the industry took, so long as it
had a profit for Ford. I would guess they have no objection to go into EV or
back to Diesel, ICE, Fuel Cells. It's just all about positioning so they are
ready. IF keeping EV's down and polution up was best for them, they would. (the
green movement is blocking that!)
It is crazy that our corporate leaders have no primary vision that says, here
are our national/world problems, we want to help and Here's what we'r going to
do.
The EVDL, and more importantly WHAT all that you individually do out THERE, is
making the big difference.
1) You are proving and pushing the results. Generating unknowns into knowns
(Ashcroft talk?) Even better you are solving problems. Having fun and remaking
the landscape.
2) You are educating the public into what can be done. Lowering thier fear of
change. Producting product interest.
3) (I like this the best) Many of you are producing a new industry. A way to
recycle those
old cars into new ones. And the cost is pretty much lower than new.
And they can last longer between rebuilds. And they can be readily upgraded.
Those 3 will greatly affect the thinking in the industry. In way it's good they
haven't moved where you all want them too. It is giving you time to develop
this conversion market.
Your activities in these areas (ones who do this) are helping each other, just
by existing.
If you really want the auto-industry converted, just do this.
a) Make repair and sevicing widely available and cost effective.
b) Do what you do well, weed out the worst by promoting the best.
c) Produce conversions for half the price of new cars. (Don't forget Kit cars
too)
d) Make your installs repairable and upgradeable with standardized parts.
(Well? Make some NEW standards!)
e) Make the overall sub-systems plug and play, when in the same spec. Companies
resist this, but you shouldn't. A standard is how PC's overtook mainframes. For
now, it is helpful, not hurtful to your business. At minimum a standard
interconnect plug would be good.
You should sell your Regulators/chargers/BMS with a optional plug board(s) (or
Program or ROM chip). The right board for the right motor, battery pack, or
assessory Voltages.
OK set on this, a standard battery pack voltage. Say maybe 144v? (or 216? some
increment of 24) All battery sets in any chemistry can get to that voltage.
(Hopefully)
Isn't most packs in this range? (36,48,72,84,96,120,144,168,180,192,216, 264,
336... )
I would like to see maybe
((+24)48,72,96,120,144,168,(+48)216,264,312,360,384,428,(+72))
Every 6th element add 24 to the increment.
Arak Leatham - Web and Desktop Systems Developer> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008
08:23:31 -0800> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Subject: Re:
[EVDL] [sfeva] What is happening at Tesla?> > >> > I'm certainly not worried
about it. It has zero affect on me or anyone I care about. They are building
products that I will likely never be able to afford, and I suspect in the end
they will fold like every startup auto manufacturer does. When was the last
time that anyone besides the corporate behemoths successfully put a line of
automobiles on America's highways?> >> > If you want an Electric Car read this
list and figure out how to convert one yourself or pay someone else to do it
for you. I don't expect that to change anytime soon.> >> > damon> > > Wow. The
negativity of that comment about knocked me off my chair.> > I take it you
haven't read through their pages on the master plan.> 1) Sell the high
performance roadster first.> 2) leverage the profit to build a 4 door !
luxury sedan> 3) leverage the luxury sedan sales to fund a lower cost car for
the> rest of us.> > While I would of liked someone to hit the ground running
with a car I> can afford, I understand the logic here.> > What if battery packs
in qty 100 cost 25K but could be 8K in qty 30,000> > If I sell 100 $100,000
roadsters that is 10 million dollars of income to> work with> > if I sell
30,000 $20,000 4 doors that is 600 million dollars of income.> > but 100 * 25K
is 2.5Million in battery pack money up front. 7.5> Million profit or 75K/car -
300% profit> but 30000 * 8K is 240Million in upfront battery cost. 360> Million
profit or 12K/car - 150% profit> > Now I am sure that they arn't paying these
prices and I am using the> battery as the whole car price, just for
illustration.> > Now we gotta pay people and equipment costs and space to make
100 cars> vs 30000 cars.> > Now If a company already had the people and
facility and other models> making income.....(OMG, GM has NO excuse.!
)> > Perhaps this is a way of getting your foot in the door wi!
thout ha
ving it> smashed. GM is not worried about Tesla.(but maybe they should be,>
corvette sales?)> If they immediately went after the midsize sedan market, I am
sure it> would attract the attention of marketing lawyers at the big 3, The>
negative ads would be worse than a presidential campaign.> > I have worked for
a company that had 55 people, they thought that was> big business and closed
their doors because they didn't know how to> become a bigger company. Now I
work for a company that has 2700 people,> They know to call that a medium size
company. But the company has merged> with a big multinational and there are
daily emails of people leaving,> being hired, and changing positions. Projects
got canceled (everthing I> did for over a year, canceled) and new projects.> >
I am not worried because I know this is part of business.> > The Tada motors
nano is built with a small manufacture philosophy, the> car design was in a
plastics technology magazine 10 or so years ago when> they!
were designing the process. Chrysler wanted to built these> shippable car
companies that could be set up in emerging markets in> short time to make
these. India was their target. I guess they sold the> idea off. (this car is
injection molded in two halfs and glued together.> >
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