EV Digest 7047
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Virtual Instrumentation Solution
by "FRED JEANETTE MERTENS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Yet another battery box foam question
by Frank John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: ICS-200 (not 2000) Charger
by "Steve Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) In Plain Text: ICS-200 (not 2000) Charger
by "Steve Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Yet another battery box foam question
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Yet another battery box foam question
by "R. Matt Milliron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) Thanks
by "Fizzy Electricity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) AGNS run delayed till Wednesday
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
11) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Electric Evette
by "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: MetricMind in the news
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybe
by Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybe
by "Tom Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
by Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: regen thoughts
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: 6v or 12v
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: Electric Evette
by "Peter Gabrielsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Serpentine belt system works but need info
by "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: 1st street ev smile/frown
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Fast Charging
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) EV1 Leasing Requirements ???
by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: EV1 Leasing Requirements ???
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) RE: EV1 Leasing Requirements ???
by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Fast Charging
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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--- Begin Message ---For those using foam insulation, I seem to recall that the blue stuff is strongest in compression - is this correct? Also, is anyone setting their batteries directly on the foam (in the bottom of the box obviously) or are you using a piece of louan or something to minimize crushing? TIA ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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--- Begin Message ---Hello to All,Yeah, both Dennis and Rudman called me to tell me the tale of the fly-up hood thing :-([EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bummer about the hood. Bet that was exciting though!STOP!!!! Your making me drool all over my keyboard!OK everyone, here's the deal....Dennis is 'supposed' to bring his new machine to the NEDRA Nationals next month here in Portland (as if we haven't already had a good time playing with fast EVs), but now he's whining and telling me there's no way to get the bodywork fixed in time. I say he's just chicken to put it on the track next to White Zombie :-)We need everyone to start posting, telling Dennis to 'make it happen'...get the truck fixed as an urgent situation, convince his bodyman that instead of letting the truck sit for weeks, it needs to be repaired in a few days. It would be a shame to not have his truck up here next month, all because (according to Dennis) that there's no way he can twist his bodyman's arm to get the truck done in time.The other thing we need to do, is get Dennis (and others) to stop sending whatever format he/they send emails in, and make it so guys like me can read the posts, instead of getting the following message when I try to read email posts:Message truncated.....Ken, how is it that you could read his post, an I could not? If you had not pasted Dennis' message into your post here, I would not have known what he wrote. What change in the EVDL happened a few months ago to make me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the EVDL turned into this gibberish 'truncated' message crap? I know it's something to do with html and not plain text, but why can Ken see the posts and I cannot? Is there some way I can change my mail program's parameters so I can read these omitted posts? Better yet, what was changed a few months ago with the EVDL, why was it changed, and why can't it just go back the way it was?See Ya.....John Wayland
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--- Begin Message ---Rickie, Thanks! I'll follow it up. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Suiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:14 PM To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: Re: ICS-200 (not 2000) Charger It is just a glorified 208 or 240 vac outlet. The ISC 200 or any other type of "charger" just passes ac power to the vehicle in a form that satisfies all the requirements for national electric code. You can get the inlet from Avcon, www.avconev.com, the email is dead, but if you call the number it's for the Meltrix (I think it was them if I remember right) company, just ask for the Avcon person. They have to inlets, the "Honda" and the "Ford", get the Ford one it has a longer cable and has the pilot emulator built in so you won't have to muck with having to try to tell the charger to send power. The only thing is you'll need an actual charger on the vehicle side that will accept a 208 or 240 volt input. If the connector on the end doesn't look like the Avcon connector then you might have one of the weird Yazaki ones too Toyota used before they went inductive. Later, Rick 92 Saturn SC conversion AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS" > > From: "Steve Gibbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" > <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu> > Subject: ICS-200 (not 2000) Charger > Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 22:21:23 -0500 > > I have acquired a couple ICS 200 (not 2000, as I > mistyped the first time) > chargers, and am looking for more information > related to them. Does anyone > there have any technical information regarding this > charger? I have the > User's Guide and Installation Manual. > > > > Has anyone documented interfacing this device to a > 1998 S10 EV? I'd like to > check out the feasibility of using this charger > rather than the Magnecharger > if possible. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Steve > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
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--- Begin Message ---Resend in Plain Text: I have acquired a couple ICS 200 (not 2000, as I mistyped the first time) chargers, and am looking for more information related to them. Does anyone there have any technical information regarding this charger? I have the Users Guide and Installation Manual. Has anyone documented interfacing this device to a 1998 S10 EV? Id like to check out the feasibility of using this charger rather than the Magnecharger if possible. Thanks! Steve
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--- Begin Message ---The Dow Corning blue form is rated for 25 psi. This is over a ton per square foot. Concrete floors are normally pour over this type of foam. I glue the form on the sides and bottom of a 1/4 inch fiberglass panels that make up the battery enclosure. This battery box which slides into the bed of a hatch back pickup, is also insulated with another 2 inch layer of the same foam and both surfaces of the foam on the box and battery box is cover with a nylon marine carpet which protects the foam insulation which makes easy to slid in to the pickup box. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Yet another battery box foam question > For those using foam insulation, I seem to recall that the blue stuff is > strongest in compression - is this correct? Also, is anyone setting their > batteries directly on the foam (in the bottom of the box obviously) or are > you using a piece of louan or something to minimize crushing? > > TIA > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > >
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--- Begin Message ---On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:48:56 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >For those using foam insulation, I seem to recall that the blue stuff is >strongest in compression - is this correct? Also, is anyone setting their >batteries directly on the foam (in the bottom of the box obviously) or are you >using a piece of louan or something to minimize crushing? > >TIA I used high density foam pads/cushions made for walking on. They have them at Lowe's hardware and Harbor Freight. They have an interlocking edge. I then covered them with a very thin, (3 layer) plywood. In my case they are more for shock absorption, less for insulation. R. M. Milliron 1981 Jet Electrica http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702 This machine has been garaged for 17 years. I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha, my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black, electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
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--- Begin Message ---> In a message dated 7/21/2007 3:03:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken, how is it that you could read his post, an I could not? If you had not pasted Dennis' message into your post here, I would not have known what he wrote. What change in the EVDL happened a few months ago to make me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the EVDL turned into this gibberish 'truncated' message crap? I know it's something to do with html and not plain text, but why can Ken see the posts and I cannot? Is there some way I can change my mail program's parameters so I can read these omitted posts? Better yet, what was changed a few months ago with the EVDL, why was it changed, and why can't it just go back the way it was? See Ya.....John Wayland < Don't know, John. But I can tell you that it is not consistent. Sometimes I only see: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Lists at sjsu.edu only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This time I got Dennis' text and the above message. Anyway, if Dennis can't get the body work done in time to race, he could just leave the hood off. It don't have to be pretty to race. Especially the first race! :) Hey, if you can race with a burnt headliner, he should be able to race with a bent hood! Might want to do something about that windshield though. :) :) Ken ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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--- Begin Message ---Thanks for links Timothy ! I'm told if the speed controller can be developed along with the hub motor, and if no-one else has already done so, then i should register it at the patent office pronto ! Not sure i can do that now i've posed the question in the public domain.. but still , at least that way there are more brains working on it that just mine, and it might stand a chance of getting into service quicker eh ?
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--- Begin Message --- I found 2 misalligned magnets inside AGNS' Perm motors on Friday afternoon squelching plans for a Friday night run with all 4 motors. Big time bummer. We should have her fixed up and ready for Wednesday. Can't wait to see how fast our new PFC-50 and 11k Honda gen can have old AGY charged. OJ is staying home today as we let overtime at spoil our weekend fun once again. This racing thing would be great if we didn't have to work!Shawn ________________________________________________________________________AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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--- Begin Message --- You must set your emial program to plain text only. Not both html and plain text.Most people who use email don} want html. (That excludes aol idiots) On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 2:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 7/21/2007 3:03:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken, how is it that you could read his post, an I could not? If you had not pasted Dennis' message into your post here, I would not have knownwhat he wrote. What change in the EVDL happened a few months ago to makeme start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the EVDL turned into this gibberish 'truncated' message crap? I know it's something to do with html and not plain text, but why can Ken see the posts and I cannot? Is there some way I can change my mail program's parameters so I can read these omitted posts? Better yet, what was changed a few months ago withthe EVDL, why was it changed, and why can't it just go back the way it was?See Ya.....John Wayland <Don't know, John. But I can tell you that it is not consistent. Sometimes Ionly see: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Lists at sjsu.edu only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This time I got Dennis' text and the above message.Anyway, if Dennis can't get the body work done in time to race, he could just leave the hood off. It don't have to be pretty to race. Especially thefirst race! :)Hey, if you can race with a burnt headliner, he should be able to race with abent hood! Might want to do something about that windshield though. :) :) Ken************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL athttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tourwww.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming and the melting poles.www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.
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--- Begin Message ---Hi Zeke, Its experimental no hard specs.It has two cirtus controlers. We live Okeechobee Florida its near the swamp, so we have superswampers for tires. The car has two motors it will do much more than 60mph. Its a different way to drive. Tom Sines -----Original Message----- >From: Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:30 AM >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu >Subject: Re: Electric Evette > >Is there a page with more specs of it? Like what controller and >batteries it is using? What sort of watt/hrs per mile is it getting >for the 200 mile range? > >Also, it looked like it's got some sort of off-road tires on it, which >seems like a really bizarre choice for a sportscar (I know alot of >people who put big off-road tires on their subarus, and they really >don't work for highway well at all...noisy and lousy handling). > >It mentions a 60mph top speed, but that seems rather low for self >preservation there (I lived in florida for a year, and people drive >90mph on the 55mph highways). Also seems like it should be able to >go much faster. Is is a power, gearing, or tires issue that is >limiting the speed now? Or just further testing needed. > >Z > >On 7/21/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> For those of you that have not seen the "Evette" you can go to >> electricevette.com , or youtube at electricevette. See ya. >> >> Tom Sines >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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--- Begin Message ---My involvement in this is "only" engineering and implementation - to produce outstanding "replicatable" vehicle which has allnormal comforts we got accustomed to and is transparent to a driver in every possible respect. Not just a spartan version to move peoplefrom A to B. Perhaps similar to EV1 (with lead acid in the beginning). Sell or lease decision has been (or will be) made by people running the program in Mexico and I have no influence on that - I don'teven know everybody involved. Leasing option (vehicle or only its battery) has its merits in the beginning - the fleet has to be road tested and hidden deficiencies fixed to avoid massive recalls later.Owning leased out vehicles allows this far easier than collecting sold ones (for modifications) already owned by private individuals. Besides choice in different country of course is based on different set of criteria we may not be aware of. I can't say much, but can assure you that people in charge are smarter than you may realize. Everyone involved watched WKTEC and I'm sure made necessary conclusions. -- Victor '91 ACRX - something different Zeke Yewdall wrote:For the general public, yes. Most people probably are a little hesitant about an EV, and a lease is a good way to ease them into it. Instead of committing to buying something they are not really sure about... I would never lease an EV though -- not after the EV1 fiasco. Z On 7/21/07, Mark Freidberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:IMHO providing the general public an opportunity to lease an EV is good. Mark --- JS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PHOTO CAPTION: Plotting an automotive revolution. > Victor Tikhonov > (left), the owner of MetricMind looks on as Victor > Juarez (center) and > Xavier Niebla (right) discuss the placement of > batteries in their next > electric car project, this one destined for lease in > the United States > starting in early 2008. > - - - - - - - - - > See the article and pic at > http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1294 > >____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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--- Begin Message ---Hello all, I have a question for those in the know. I've been talking to a company that makes Air Coolers for golf carts, with my application not being a conflict of interest they let me in how their units work. Now for what I want to do: Mount a small ICE chest under the hood of the car, that will hold BLUEICE packs equal to aprox 20lbs of regular ice. Now this chest will have in it either antifreeze or some similar liquid already inside the unit for a particular reason explained as follows. Now picture if you will a 12volt bilge pump (same used in bass boats etc.) at the bottom of the chest, it will pump the cold antifreeze into the heater core, and back into the chest to be recooled, and recirculated. This should cool the inside of the car, using the existing blower and duct work, but here's where I really need some info from those who know. Does the area where the heater core resides, have a drain to the outside of the car for condensation? M. Barkley www.texomaev.com http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1135
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--- Begin Message ---If the car had originally had a/c it would have a drain in it. Tom----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Barkley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "EVDL.ORG EVDL.org" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:38 PM Subject: Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybeHello all, I have a question for those in the know. I've been talking to a company that makes Air Coolers for golf carts, with my application not being a conflict of interest they let me in how their units work. Now for what I want to do: Mount a small ICE chest under the hood of the car, that will hold BLUEICE packs equal to aprox 20lbs of regular ice. Now this chest will have in it either antifreeze or some similar liquid already inside the unit for a particular reason explained as follows. Now picture if you will a 12volt bilge pump (same used in bass boats etc.) at the bottom of the chest, it will pump the cold antifreeze into the heater core, and back into the chest to be recooled, and recirculated. This should cool the inside of the car, using the existing blower and duct work, but here's where I really need some info from those who know. Does the area where the heater core resides, have a drain to the outside of the car for condensation? M. Barkley www.texomaev.com http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1135 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM
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--- Begin Message --- Which terminal on the Hairball does the HEPI SIGNAL ground got to, it is not clear if it should go to the same signal ground as the speed sensor or someplace else. The remaining grounds on the HEPI go to chassis ground.Thanks, Mark
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--- Begin Message ---It's a clever idea, but I can't see any practical way to implement it. Basically you are talking about a flywheel energy storage device with a variable diameter. In order to store a usefull amount of energy, a flywheel has to be either heavy, large diameter, very high RPMs, or a combination of these. This adds up to a significant amount of centrifugal force which tries to tear your flywheel apart. Adding a variable diameter mechanism is just going to weaken the basic flywheel. If you make it strong enough to survive, and store a useable amount of energy, it's going to be large and heavy. Large and heavy is something we generally try to avoid in EVs... well as much as possible. > Well, you guys can shoot me down and call me an idiot on this one, but > I've > just had this thought on my brain for some time, and probably just too > lazy > to google around enough to shoot it down myself. > > Considering that an ice skater can speed up or slow down a spin by moving > his/her arms in/out, could the same principle be applied in a "regen" > capacity for an EV motor - I know that would either entail redesigning the > motor or some kind of add-on to the tail shaft, considering that the idea > had any merit at all.... > > You can go ahead and fill me full of lead now! > > Thanks in advance for putting me out of my misery, > > Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > > -- If you send email to me, or the EVDL, that has > 4 lines of legalistic junk at the end; then you are specifically authorizing me to do whatever I wish with the message. By posting the message you agree that your long legalistic signature is void.
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--- Begin Message ---I keep hearing this and I have to almost disagree. If the current in the inductor is zero AND the magnetic field is zero then and only then is the voltage across the inductor = battery. So that very first pulse is at b+ (So we better protect against this) This same mechanism allows the voltage accross the inductor to climb above battery when the circuit is opened. unless you are saying that the current and magnetic filed go to zero each Pulse?
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--- Begin Message ---Tom, how much energy does it consume (Wh/miles) when driving at 60mph? On 7/21/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Zeke, Its experimental no hard specs.It has two cirtus controlers. We live Okeechobee Florida its near the swamp, so we have superswampers for tires. The car has two motors it will do much more than 60mph. Its a different way to drive. Tom Sines -----Original Message----- >From: Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:30 AM >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu >Subject: Re: Electric Evette > >Is there a page with more specs of it? Like what controller and >batteries it is using? What sort of watt/hrs per mile is it getting >for the 200 mile range? > >Also, it looked like it's got some sort of off-road tires on it, which >seems like a really bizarre choice for a sportscar (I know alot of >people who put big off-road tires on their subarus, and they really >don't work for highway well at all...noisy and lousy handling). > >It mentions a 60mph top speed, but that seems rather low for self >preservation there (I lived in florida for a year, and people drive >90mph on the 55mph highways). Also seems like it should be able to >go much faster. Is is a power, gearing, or tires issue that is >limiting the speed now? Or just further testing needed. > >Z > >On 7/21/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> For those of you that have not seen the "Evette" you can go to electricevette.com , or youtube at electricevette. See ya. >> >> Tom Sines >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> >> > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com-- www.electric-lemon.com
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--- Begin Message --- I am pleased to say my serpentine belt drive is fully restored as is my power steering and air conditioning! What a miserable job designing all of it. It turned out nice and there are some pics on my weblog. A week of work by the end of the job.The main reason for my post here is I am looking for a 6" 6 rib crank pulley made of aluminum that I can use to get rid of the old harmonic balancer I had to use to setup the system. If anyone knows who has them as "blanks" maybe for hotrods or other applications please send me their way.Thanks! Mark Ward 95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina" www.saabrina.blogspot.com
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--- Begin Message ---Dennis, Just send your rig to Mr 4pm's main motor man. He'll get all that done in a day, OK maybe two days tops becuase its body and battery work and not motors ;-) Sounds like your beast is only a little ahead of mine, only because its rolling. But hey I just got the BFG g-Force T/A's mounted yesterday :-) And Jim Husted sent the motors earlier this week and I got notice they came in this weekend. I'll pick them up monday. The front end is torn down getting the control arms sand blasted. I still need to throw in new bushings and get it all bolted back up before I can put the motors in. (Jim, no making fun of how long it'll take me to get the motors in without touching them, I have a plan :-) But in all seriousness, if you just make Mr 4pm show up himself and finsih up for you, you still might make it :-O So John, got those roll bars in yet? Mike, Anchorage, Ak. p.s. I hope your sisters surgery goes well.
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--- Begin Message ---On Sat, July 21, 2007 8:17 pm, Mark Dutko wrote: > Which terminal on the Hairball does the HEPI SIGNAL ground got to, it > is not clear if it should go to the same signal ground as the speed > sensor or someplace else. The remaining grounds on the HEPI go to > chassis ground. I wondered about this for a bit as well, in putting together a test setup for my HEPI-equipped Zilla. Turns out, it goes to the pin labeled "Signal GND" on the hairball -- I hooked it up this way and it works. Full disclosure: I don't have a speed sensor set up yet but I'm guessing they'll just share that ground connection. -- Christopher Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre + Z2K + Warp13!
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--- Begin Message ---At 09:08 AM 7/21/2007, Timothy Balcer wrote:On 7/19/07, John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Frankly, I find that mounting a little CPU fan, and plugging it into the connector on the reg is a LOT easier than routing a cooling line all over the place, adding pump, radiator, etc...True.. but not as effective :)Actually, probably just as effective - unless your pack is WAY out of balance. The regs only put out heat for a few minutes near the end of the charge cycle. There is plenty enough air flow in the battery boxes to handle it.-- John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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--- Begin Message ---Seattleeva.org claims that in order to lease the EV1 was "It was available only at two locations in the entire world. It was not for sale, you could only lease it. An income over $100,000 was required to qualify for a lease. To qualify for a lease, you had to pass a written test. After qualifying, you may or may not be granted a car lease. You had to live within 50 miles of one of the two dealerships. You had to wait a year to get one. " Although this is true, and I'm not defending GM in anyway whatsoever, there are some statements here I've never heard of before, like... Two locations in the world?? I think what they mean is that there were two states in the world. On this website http://web.archive.org/web/20021206054045/www.gmev.com/retailer/retailer.htm it shows many, many dealerships. And your income had to be at least 100k to lease the car? And then you had to pass a test? I've never heard of these either. Anyone with soem real EV1 leasing experience?
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--- Begin Message ---What's a HEPI Signal? On 7/22/07, Christopher Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:On Sat, July 21, 2007 8:17 pm, Mark Dutko wrote: > Which terminal on the Hairball does the HEPI SIGNAL ground got to, it > is not clear if it should go to the same signal ground as the speed > sensor or someplace else. The remaining grounds on the HEPI go to > chassis ground. I wondered about this for a bit as well, in putting together a test setup for my HEPI-equipped Zilla. Turns out, it goes to the pin labeled "Signal GND" on the hairball -- I hooked it up this way and it works. Full disclosure: I don't have a speed sensor set up yet but I'm guessing they'll just share that ground connection. -- Christopher Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ohmbre.org <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre + Z2K + Warp13!
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--- Begin Message ---Remember, the goal was to have the project flop. (;-p > "It was available only at two locations in the > entire world. My understanding was that it was two _states_. CA was one, (due to the CARB mandate. I think NY was the other. In any event, the San Juan Cap., CA Saturn dealership ( 2 mi. from my house) was one of them. (;-p Seriously, Saturn is not like other dealerships, all competing with each other. There are only a handful, but IIRC, _all_ So.Cal. dealerships had EV-1s available for lease. > > It was not for sale, you could only lease it. True. 459-499 per mo. > > An income over $100,000 was required to qualify for > a lease. Not surprising, (see "lease", above). > > To qualify for a lease, you had to pass a written > test. <sorry, can't help on this one> > > After qualifying, you may or may not be granted a > car lease. Not surprised. What if that dealership's allocation of EV-1s had been leased already? Can't promise & not deliver. What if the test asked "Can you be responsible enough to remember to charge it every 60 miles, and the person said "no," even though they made enough bux to qualify? > > You had to live within 50 miles of one of the two > dealerships. Not surprising, given that the range of the Gen. 1 EV-1 was 60 mi. They didn't want to flat-bed them across the state, which is the same reason the leases stuck to CA only. > > You had to wait a year to get one. " Remember, the first run (Gen. 1, AGM lead acid) was only 300, IIRC. And they were snapped up dang FAST. So yes, there was a waiting list. Hope that helps; I think some of this is substantiated on "Who Killed the <EV>?" > > Although this is true, and I'm not defending GM in > anyway whatsoever, > there are some statements here I've never heard of > before, like... > > Two locations in the world?? I think what they mean > is that there were > two states in the world. On this website > http://web.archive.org/web/20021206054045/www.gmev.com/retailer/retailer.htm > it shows many, many dealerships. > > And your income had to be at least 100k to lease the > car? And then you > had to pass a test? I've never heard of these > either. Anyone with soem > real EV1 leasing experience? > > Converting a gen. 5 Honda Civic? For $20 DVD you can purchase footage of my '92 sedan, as well as a del Sol and hatch too! Learn more at: www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html ____ __/__|__\ __ =D-------/ - - \ 'O'-----'O'-' Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
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--- Begin Message ---Mel Gibson in "Who Killed the Electric Car" describes a greuling interview, a resume required and locations of bodily tatoos :-O Sounds like they did the full background investigation and maybe EVen the endoscopy, doh :-O > Joseph T. wrote: > <snip a bit> > And your income had to be at least 100k to lease the car? And then you > had to pass a test? I've never heard of these either. Anyone with soem > real EV1 leasing experience? > >
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--- Begin Message ---John G. Lussmyer wrote:mount a little CPU fan... on the reg is a LOT easier than routing a cooling line all over the place, adding pump, radiator, etc...Timothy Balcer wrote:True.. but not as effective :)Actually, probably just as effective - unless your pack is WAY out of balance.Both approaches work. Which works "best" depends on your circumstances.If your battery box is wide open, heatsinks or fans have little trouble dumping the heat. But if your battery box is closed up, the heat is trapped and will heat up your batteries. This might be good in winter, but would be bad in summer. In this case, a liquid cooled system will move the heat outside the box. If you happen to have a water-cooled controller or other device, the pump, hoses, and radiator are already there anyway.New batteries, all from the same lot, and from a reputable manufacturer are well matched; they need minimal balancing. The small stock Rudman regulator heatsinks are fine, even without fans.But as batteries age, or if they're from different batches, or from a low quality manufacturer, the need for balancing increases. And, if the vehicle sits a long time, variations in the self-discharge rates will cause a large initial imbalance the first time you charge again. These are the conditions that will overheat the regulators.For a given amount of heat, you can use a big heatsink and no fan, or a little heatsink with a fan. The stock Rudman regulators have a little heatsink and no fan; so it doesn't take much imbalance to drive them into thermal problems.-- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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