EV Digest 7048

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybe
        by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  2) Re: ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
        by "Christopher Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  3) Re: 6v or 12v
        by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  4) RE: ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
        by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  5) 1st street ev smile/frown
        by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  6) oversized motor?
        by Jeremy Rutman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  7) Re: Tell Me Which DC to DC Converter I Should Use
        by Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  8) "Message truncated" problem
        by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  9) Re: *****SPAM***** Re: regen thoughts
        by Tony Furr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 10) RE: Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybe
        by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 11) RE: "Message truncated" problem
        by "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 12) Re: Serpentine belt system works but need info
        by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 13) Re: "Message truncated" problem
        by Bill Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 14) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
        by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 15) Segway range
        by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 16) RE: Segway range
        by Mike Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 17) Re: message truncated
        by "Eric Udell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 18) Re: Electric pt cruiser on eBay Motors: Chrysler : PT Cruiser (item
 150141187892 end time Jul-18-07 12:16:10 PDT)
        by Jack Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 19) Re: message truncated
        by "Brian Pikkula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 20) RE: "Message truncated" problem
        by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 21) Re: message truncated - truncated
        by "Eric Udell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 22) Re: message truncated - truncated
        by "Joseph T. " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 23) Hi  Peter,Re: Electric Evette
        by "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 24) Re: 1st street ev smile/frown
        by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 25) Re: "Message truncated" problem
        by GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 26) Re: Tell Me Which DC to DC Converter I Should Use
        by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 27) lightweight starter battery
        by Carl Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 28) Temperature indicators
        by Ted Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 29) Re: "Message truncated" problem
        by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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My truck unit with only a heater does not have a drain.


> Tom Carpenter wrote:
> If the car had originally had a/c it would have a drain in it.
> 
> Tom


> >----- Original Message ----- 
> Michael Barkley asked:
> <snip a bit>... Does the area where
> > the heater core resides, have a drain to the outside
> > of the car for condensation?
> 

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On Sat, July 21, 2007 11:44 pm, Joseph T. wrote:
> What's a HEPI Signal?


HEPI is a Zilla feature.

Most electronic controllers take a signal from a potentiometer or variable
resistor, which tells the controller how much power the user wants and
therefore how much voltage it should supply to the motor. This setup is
okay and is used by probably the vast majority of EVs out there. One
potential drawback is that a variable resistor is generally a part that
involves a sliding contact, and is therefore a part that can wear out over
time.

The Zilla has an option for a pedal that uses the Hall Effect; the
mechanism in this sort of pedal assembly is magnetic -- no friction means
(hopefully) a very durable, reliable part. HEPI is the name of this
subsystem within the Zilla's "hairball" module:  Hall Effect Pedal
Interface.  The pedal that ships with HEPI-enabled Zillas has a connector
with several pins, and "signal ground" is one of these pins.

More information about the HEPI option can be found in the Zilla manual
(downloadable from cafeelectric.com) and for more information on the Hall
effect and its application in sensing devices, Wikipedia is your friend.

-- 
Christopher Robison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://ohmbre.org          <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre + Z2K + Warp13!

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Jeff Shanab wrote:
If the current in the inductor is zero AND the magnetic field is zero
then and only then is the voltage across the inductor = battery.

That's not quite right. You can have any voltage across an inductor, regardless of its current and magnetic field. The "rule" is just that the voltage = inductance times the RATE OF CHANGE in the current.

        V = L x di/dt

This same mechanism allows the voltage accross the inductor to climb
above battery when the circuit is opened.

Yes, if there is no freewheel diode.

--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net

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I run both the Speed Sensor and the HEPI to the Signal Ground (S.G.) connection.

Joseph,
HEPI is a Hall Effect Pedal input.  Basically "fly by wire" for your 
accelerator.  Many newer cars use them.  They are just an
alternative for the 5 k-ohm potentiometer box thats hooks to your existing 
accelerator pedal, linkage and spring.

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Christopher Robison
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 8:21 PM
> To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: ZILLA HEPI SIGNAL GROUND
>
>
>
> On Sat, July 21, 2007 8:17 pm, Mark Dutko wrote:
> > Which terminal on the Hairball does the HEPI SIGNAL ground got to, it
> > is not clear if it should go to the same signal ground as the speed
> > sensor or someplace else. The remaining grounds on the HEPI go to
> > chassis ground.
>
> I wondered about this for a bit as well, in putting together a test setup
> for my HEPI-equipped Zilla. Turns out, it goes to the pin labeled "Signal
> GND" on the hairball -- I hooked it up this way and it works. Full
> disclosure: I don't have a speed sensor set up yet but I'm guessing
> they'll just share that ground connection.
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Robison
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://ohmbre.org          <-- 1999 Isuzu Hombre + Z2K + Warp13!
>
>

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--- Begin Message --- Yeah, Dennis. You can't use the "hood popped up on me and is broke" excuse.

The same thing happened to me a couple months ago. I was driving Jake to his tennis lesson in Wattson, our electric Ford Escort, and the hood flew up just as I was hitting 45 mph. Dumb me forgot to latch it closed after checking the batteries.

I was able to barely close it back but the cowling in front of the windshield was bent up, the back of the hood was bent out of whack and the hinges were completely bent out of shape. The hood closed like an inch and half forward then it did originally.

I couldn't find hinges at the Ford dealer. Only like 5 new hinges left in the whole US for an 86 Ford Escort so I had to order them from a junk yard. Actually, from two junk yards. But in one week I had the new hinges in, bent the hood back the best I could so it could at least open and close and was on my way.

I'm sure you can find parts for an S-10. I realize you probably have some special bodywork done on it but you should be able to make it work by the Nationals. Its not even August yet.

Body work is easy. I think building motors is hard :-)

Chip


On Jul 22, 2007, at 1:07 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:

From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: July 21, 2007 4:11:22 PM EDT
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: 1st street ev smile/frown


Hello to All,

Yeah, both Dennis and Rudman called me to tell me the tale of the fly-up hood thing :-(

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bummer about the hood.  Bet that was exciting though!
STOP!!!!  Your making me drool all over my keyboard!

OK everyone, here's the deal....Dennis is 'supposed' to bring his new machine to the NEDRA Nationals next month here in Portland (as if we haven't already had a good time playing with fast EVs), but now he's whining and telling me there's no way to get the bodywork fixed in time. I say he's just chicken to put it on the track next to White Zombie :-)

We need everyone to start posting, telling Dennis to 'make it happen'...get the truck fixed as an urgent situation, convince his bodyman that instead of letting the truck sit for weeks, it needs to be repaired in a few days. It would be a shame to not have his truck up here next month, all because (according to Dennis) that there's no way he can twist his bodyman's arm to get the truck done in time.

The other thing we need to do, is get Dennis (and others) to stop sending whatever format he/they send emails in, and make it so guys like me can read the posts, instead of getting the following message when I try to read email posts:

Message truncated.....

Ken, how is it that you could read his post, an I could not? If you had not pasted Dennis' message into your post here, I would not have known what he wrote. What change in the EVDL happened a few months ago to make me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the EVDL turned into this gibberish 'truncated' message crap? I know it's something to do with html and not plain text, but why can Ken see the posts and I cannot? Is there some way I can change my mail program's parameters so I can read these omitted posts? Better yet, what was changed a few months ago with the EVDL, why was it changed, and why can't it just go back the way it was?

See Ya.....John Wayland

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Hi
I am at the point of machining an adaptor plate for my ac42 [solectria] thats intended to inhabit a suzuki alto. (Electro automotive dont have a plate and I wont be shipping a transmission transatlantic).
My question - have I gone and bought a motor way too big for the job?
The ac42 is 60kg, 100 horsepower max and 28horses continuous.
My car-mechanic friend took one look at it and started to giggle.
The thing will barely fit in the engine compartment, I may actually have to slice out some bit to get it to fit. Weight is about the same, until I add ~150kg of battery, controller, etc. He [my mech. friend] recommended using a forklift motor, anyone have relevant advice?



Jeremy Rutman
Technion Physics Dep't
Haifa 32000
Israel
972 4 8293669
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--- Begin Message --- I just bought a dc/dc from Astrodyne www.astrodyne.com for a 72 volt system. They have one for a 72-144 volt system for around $135, model #sd350d with adjustable voltage output at around 28 amps. I am installing it tomorrow.
Bill

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On 21 Jul 2007, John Wayland wrote:

> What change in the EVDL happened a few  months ago to make
> me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the  EVDL turned into this
> gibberish 'truncated' message crap?

Nothing changed in the EVDL.  What happened is that several mail services 
released new versions which defaulted to html mail, and made it either 
difficult or impossible to switch back to plain text mail.  

MSN cannot be set to plain text, nor can MS Exchange's web interface.  
AOL users have to specifically act to force plain text, message by message.  
The major webmail providers, Yahoo and Gmail, both can be changed to plain 
text, but default to html.

BTW, the number of html messages isn't even close to 20%.  Most people 
are very conscientious about expending the necessary effort to send plain 
text.  However, we do have a handful who (1) forget; (2) can't, or (3) don't 
choose to do this.  I can ask them to, but that's about as far as it goes.

If you're now using Outlook, which always shows html when it's available (you 
have no choice), I suggest that you download Pegasus mail from pmail.com 
and install it.  Pegasus has an option (in tools - options - incoming mail - 
message reader, IIRC) which directs the program to always show the plain 
text version of multipart alternative messages, rather than the html.  Use 
Pegasus set up that way, and you'll almost never see that "Truncated" 
message.  Pegasus is uncrippled donationware.

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--- Begin Message --- Flywheel energy storage has certainly been tried in cars, but the challenges of operating one safely in an on-road vehicle are numerous. This thread reminded me of some previous info I found on the subject, so I dug it back up.

Rosen Motors worked to develop a turbine-powered flywheel car in the 90s. Two brothers, Ben Rosen (founder of compaq) and Harold Rosen (an aerospace engineer), invested about $25 million on the idea before calling it quits in '97. Their system design had a 21lbs carbon fiber/ titanium flywheel that spun up to 55,000 RPM (200mph at the outer edge) and operated in a vacuum chamber to reduce friction. It operated on a gimbal system with magnetic bearings to minimize road bumps and vibration. The designed would keep spinning for up to six weeks after was turned off. Creating a containment for the system appeared to be a large concern, because a flywheel exploding apart at that speed would send shrapnel tearing through anything in it's path. There's an interest article on the brother's project from time magazine here:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,136542,00.html

There's also some interesting info on another company called U.S Flywheel here:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.05/flywheel.html

-tony



On Jul 21, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Peter VanDerWal wrote:

It's a clever idea, but I can't see any practical way to implement it.

Basically you are talking about a flywheel energy storage device with a
variable diameter.
In order to store a usefull amount of energy, a flywheel has to be either
heavy, large diameter, very high RPMs, or a combination of these.
This adds up to a significant amount of centrifugal force which tries to tear your flywheel apart. Adding a variable diameter mechanism is just
going to weaken the basic flywheel.

If you make it strong enough to survive, and store a useable amount of
energy, it's going to be large and heavy. Large and heavy is something we
generally try to avoid in EVs... well as much as possible.

Well, you guys can shoot me down and call me an idiot on this one, but
I've
just had this thought on my brain for some time, and probably just too
lazy
to google around enough to shoot it down myself.

Considering that an ice skater can speed up or slow down a spin by moving
his/her arms in/out, could the same principle be applied in a "regen"
capacity for an EV motor - I know that would either entail redesigning the motor or some kind of add-on to the tail shaft, considering that the idea
had any merit at all....

You can go ahead and fill me full of lead now!

Thanks in advance for putting me out of my misery,

Mike

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Tom -

Obviously, this is not a new idea as a method for providing some a/c for an EV (heck, I thought I had come up with it a few weeks ago!).

I know for a fact that in my GMC Sonoma (it is not an EV), the a/c and heater core are NOT in the same location, therefore, the drain for the a/c will NOT provide drainage for condensation coming from the heater core.

Get your bilge pump from a Super Wal Mart - the 500 GPM should do just fine (I used a 750 and I think it was overkill).

I like your idea of using ice packs instead of ICE, although I think using antifreeze will limit your "opportunity" cooling...if you use plain tap water, you can throw plain ice that you get anywhere in the chest to "recharge" your a/c, and still have the option of taking your ice packs into work to refreeze during the day for some a/c on the trip home.

I'm DYING for someone to do a real-world test w/ this setup using the heater core in the vehicle. My experiments indicate at least 30-45 minutes of cooling provided w/ a reasonably sized ice chest.

http://www.adjeweb.com/100_1747_ac_ev_test.jpg

http://www.adjeweb.com/100_1748.jpg

http://www.adjeweb.com/100_1749.jpg

I also determined through my "experiments", if you will, that it is VERY important to be able to direct the cool air (ideally, via the vehicle's ventilation system) at your face/head, since this is where the majority of a persons body heat is exchanged w/ the outside air. The "ice" a/c system is not as effective as a factory a/c system, and this is how you will get the most out of it. You might find yourself with an a/c grin to put on top of your EV grin!!

Thx, Mike ;-)


From: Michael Barkley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: "EVDL.ORG EVDL.org" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Subject: Condensation? @ Heater core ? OT maybe
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:38:05 -0700 (PDT)

Hello all,  I have a question for those in the know.
I've been talking to a company that makes Air Coolers
for golf carts, with my application not being a
conflict of interest they let me in how their units
work.

Now for what I want to do:  Mount a small ICE chest
under the hood of the car, that will hold BLUEICE
packs equal to aprox 20lbs of regular ice. Now this
chest will have in it either antifreeze or some
similar liquid already inside the unit for a
particular reason explained as follows.  Now picture
if you will a 12volt bilge pump (same used in bass
boats etc.) at the bottom of the chest, it will pump
the cold antifreeze into the heater core, and back
into the chest to be recooled, and recirculated.  This
should cool the inside of the car, using the existing
blower and duct work,  but here's where I really need
some info from those who know.  Does the area where
the heater core resides, have a drain to the outside
of the car for condensation?




M. Barkley

  www.texomaev.com

  http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1135

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http://liveearth.msn.com

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All -

I have msn hotmail, and can attest to the fact that the "new" version does not provide an option to send email in plain text format, so.......whenever I want to post to the list, I have to also remember to switch back to the old interface....

If you see some SPAM on the list from me, it's because I forgot to do it!!! The MAEAA list accepts html, so sometimes the noodle slips up....

I realize there are probably some good reasons for the list only accepting plain text emails, but would be nice if there was a way to accept html...I mean, only members of the list can post to it, right??

Mike


From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: "Message truncated" problem
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:46:55 -0400

On 21 Jul 2007, John Wayland wrote:

> What change in the EVDL happened a few  months ago to make
> me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the  EVDL turned into this
> gibberish 'truncated' message crap?

Nothing changed in the EVDL.  What happened is that several mail services
released new versions which defaulted to html mail, and made it either
difficult or impossible to switch back to plain text mail.

MSN cannot be set to plain text, nor can MS Exchange's web interface.
AOL users have to specifically act to force plain text, message by message.
The major webmail providers, Yahoo and Gmail, both can be changed to plain
text, but default to html.

BTW, the number of html messages isn't even close to 20%.  Most people
are very conscientious about expending the necessary effort to send plain
text.  However, we do have a handful who (1) forget; (2) can't, or (3) don't
choose to do this.  I can ask them to, but that's about as far as it goes.

If you're now using Outlook, which always shows html when it's available (you
have no choice), I suggest that you download Pegasus mail from pmail.com
and install it.  Pegasus has an option (in tools - options - incoming mail -
message reader, IIRC) which directs the program to always show the plain
text version of multipart alternative messages, rather than the html.  Use
Pegasus set up that way, and you'll almost never see that "Truncated"
message.  Pegasus is uncrippled donationware.

_________________________________________________________________
http://liveearth.msn.com

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Hello Mark,

I use the Dodge Power Transmission Components in my EV.  They have the HT 
Synchronous Belt Drive Systems.  You can get the pulleys in any size bore 
you want or even get it with a taper lock bushing.

See: 
http://www.dodge-pt.com/products/pt_components/pt_components_main.html


When you get to the site, page down to Synchronous Sprockets and Timing 
Pulleys and Belts and click  Sprocket Drives.

You have to specified, diameter, type of shaft bushing, with of the belt 
drive surface and number of cogs and pitch per inch.  Many machine shops use 
Dodge Power Components.

Roland


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Serpentine belt system works but need info


> I am pleased to say my serpentine belt drive is fully restored as is my
> power steering and air conditioning!  What a miserable job designing all 
> of
> it.  It turned out nice and there are some pics on my weblog.  A week of
> work by the end of the job.
>
> The main reason for my post here is I am looking for a 6" 6 rib crank 
> pulley
> made of aluminum that I can use to get rid of the old harmonic balancer I
> had to use to setup the system.  If anyone knows who has them as "blanks"
> maybe for hotrods or other applications please send me their way.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mark Ward
> 95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
> www.saabrina.blogspot.com
>
> 

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David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
I suggest that you download Pegasus mail from pmail.com

You can also surf to www.mail2web.com with your browser; I use it to post to the EVDL when I'm on the road.

Bill Dennis

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>
In a message dated 7/21/2007 9:46:03 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Its true my body shop is always weeks behind but it is only the hood cowl and 
windshield.The truck still needs work,wheels, tires, battery tie downs, 
powder coating the tono cover,regristion,ins. and dialing in.I do not want to 
travel that far with an uncompleted piece. Besides my only sibling all 
95lbs.of her 
has a major surgery at the end of the week(a 15 to 17lb.tumor attached to her 
liver  together with 1 lobe has to be removed)pray its not cancer.So I will 
be spending some of this and next month back in Ct.Hopefully there will be a 
Sacramento race this fall.Rest assured this is a monster s10.  Dennis Berube  
 
<
 
See.  There is always more to the story...
 
Sorry to hear about your sister.  While EV racing is indeed vital, family 
must come first!  We certainly wish her the best!
 
Ken & Heidi
 
 



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I was watching the open golf championship and it got me wondering how
much battery capacity and range a seqway has.

The have them modified with golf cart like tires and have a camera and
mike mounted to them with wireless to follow the players from hole to
hole. (I didn't realize they were that steady.) Obviously they are quiet
enough for the job.

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Our Segway Dealer says he gets 12 miles on a charge driving around downtown.  
top speed 12 mph.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Jeff Shanab
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:09 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Segway range
> 
> 
> I was watching the open golf championship and it got me wondering how
> much battery capacity and range a seqway has.
> 
> The have them modified with golf cart like tires and have a camera and
> mike mounted to them with wireless to follow the players from hole to
> hole. (I didn't realize they were that steady.) Obviously they are quiet
> enough for the job.
> 
> 

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--- Begin Message --- Rather surprising it couldn't get more than a $13K bid, heck that isn't much more than what they cost as an ICE.

GWMobile wrote:
This seems like a pretty reasonable buy at $16,000 for a converted PT Cruiser.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=150141187892

www.GlobalBoiling.com for daily images about hurricanes, globalwarming and the melting poles.

www.ElectricQuakes.com daily solar and earthquake images.



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oooh the irony........

On 7/22/07, Eric Udell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Brian in TX
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/960
http://www.evdub.blogspot.com/
It may seem like I am doing nothing, but on a cellular level I'm
really quite busy.

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My browser seems to default to Text Only, at least that is if I respond to
the EVDL.
I DO have the option to select Plain, HTML or Rich Text.

I'm using MS/Office Outlook2007 Trial Version.

-Myles Twete

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There's a little lesson for me. My "message truncated" email was
truncated.  I had no idea that my gmail account was sending in HTML. I
thought I had turned that off... I guess not. I think I got it this
time...

Eric Udell
Big Pine Key, FL

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Yup, we can read it all right!

On 7/22/07, Eric Udell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There's a little lesson for me. My "message truncated" email was
truncated.  I had no idea that my gmail account was sending in HTML. I
thought I had turned that off... I guess not. I think I got it this
time...

Eric Udell
Big Pine Key, FL



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Hi  Peter,

Over the years of developing this car, the parts have changed a lot, my 
priority has been to make the car run well. Some measurements, however  were 
always changing so I wouldn`t post them. 
The car is now in good running order so I will be making more measurements, I 
hope to post them soon.

Tom Sines
-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Gabrielsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:44 PM
>To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>Subject: Re: Electric Evette
>
>Tom, how much energy does it consume (Wh/miles) when driving at 60mph?
>
>
>On 7/21/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Zeke,
>>
>>
>> Its experimental no hard specs.It has two cirtus controlers. We live 
>> Okeechobee Florida its near the swamp, so we have superswampers for tires. 
>> The car has two motors it will do much more than 60mph. Its a different way 
>> to drive.
>>
>> Tom Sines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:30 AM
>> >To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
>> >Subject: Re: Electric Evette
>> >
>> >Is there a page with more specs of it?  Like what controller and
>> >batteries it is using?  What sort of watt/hrs per mile is it getting
>> >for the 200 mile range?
>> >
>> >Also, it looked like it's got some sort of off-road tires on it, which
>> >seems like a really bizarre choice for a sportscar (I know alot of
>> >people who put big off-road tires on their subarus, and they really
>> >don't work for highway well at all...noisy and lousy handling).
>> >
>> >It mentions a 60mph top speed, but that seems rather low for self
>> >preservation there (I lived in florida for a year, and people drive
>> >90mph on the 55mph highways).   Also seems like it should be able to
>> >go much faster.  Is is a power, gearing, or tires issue that is
>> >limiting the speed now?  Or just further testing needed.
>> >
>> >Z
>> >
>> >On 7/21/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> Hi Everyone,
>> >>
>> >> For those of you that have not seen the "Evette" you can go to  
>> >> electricevette.com , or  youtube at electricevette.  See ya.
>> >>
>> >> Tom Sines
>> >>
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> Besides my only sibling all 95lbs.of her 
> has a major surgery at the end of the week

Our thoguhts will be with you and your sister.

> So I will be spending some of this and next month back in Ct.

Will you have time to meet up with some of us local EVers? I'm not sure when 
Bob R. will be back,
but maybe your trip will time out for the next NEEAA meeting?

Dave Cover, fingers crossed.

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Html is not email. Html is internet website language.
If we wanted to see that we would surf the web.
If msn hotmail is that way it is time to get a real email. I would suggest earthlink.
Inexpensive and no limits on what you can do.
Its real email. Free email is full of junk for others to see - usually encoded in the html.

That's why noone wants it.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 6:14 am, Michael Mohlere wrote:
All -

I have msn hotmail, and can attest to the fact that the "new" version does not provide an option to send email in plain text format, so.......whenever I want to post to the list, I have to also remember to switch back to the old interface....

If you see some SPAM on the list from me, it's because I forgot to do it!!! The MAEAA list accepts html, so sometimes the noodle slips up....

I realize there are probably some good reasons for the list only accepting plain text emails, but would be nice if there was a way to accept html...I mean, only members of the list can post to it, right??

Mike


From: "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: "Message truncated" problem
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 03:46:55 -0400

On 21 Jul 2007, John Wayland wrote:

 What change in the EVDL happened a few  months ago to make
me start seeing maybe 20% of the emails from the EVDL turned into this
 gibberish 'truncated' message crap?

Nothing changed in the EVDL. What happened is that several mail services
released new versions which defaulted to html mail, and made it either
difficult or impossible to switch back to plain text mail.

MSN cannot be set to plain text, nor can MS Exchange's web interface.
AOL users have to specifically act to force plain text, message by message. The major webmail providers, Yahoo and Gmail, both can be changed to plain
text, but default to html.

BTW, the number of html messages isn't even close to 20%.  Most people
are very conscientious about expending the necessary effort to send plain text. However, we do have a handful who (1) forget; (2) can't, or (3) don't choose to do this. I can ask them to, but that's about as far as it goes.

If you're now using Outlook, which always shows html when it's available (you have no choice), I suggest that you download Pegasus mail from pmail.com and install it. Pegasus has an option (in tools - options - incoming mail - message reader, IIRC) which directs the program to always show the plain text version of multipart alternative messages, rather than the html. Use
Pegasus set up that way, and you'll almost never see that "Truncated"
message.  Pegasus is uncrippled donationware.

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Bill & Nancy wrote:
I just bought a dc/dc from Astrodyne www.astrodyne.com for a 72 volt system. They have one for a 72-144 volt system for around $135, model #sd350d with adjustable voltage output at around 28 amps. I am installing it tomorrow.

In general, I've found Astrodyne products pretty good, but have not tested this family of parts. One precaution is that this unit is not sealed or protected for outdoor use; beware of mounting it where it may get dirty or wet!

Note that 72-144vdc are the absolute minimum and maximum input voltages; not the range of nominal voltages. This is really a 96vdc nominal DC/DC; not one intended for a 72v to 144v pack.

A 2v cell can range from 1.75v (under load, at 0% SOC) to 2.5v (being charged, at 100% SOC). A 72vdc nominal pack is made of 36 2v cells, so it can range from 63v to 90v. The low end (63v) is out of spec for this DC/DC converter, and may cause it to overheat, brown out, or shut down.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in    --    Leonard Cohen
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*     This post contains a forbidden message format       *
*  (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting)  *
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Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:14:27 -0700
From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: "Message truncated" problem
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hello to David and All,

David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:

> BTW, the number of html messages isn't even close to 20%.....

Really? I just got in 15 messages from the EVDL.....7 of them came in:

REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---            *
*     This post contains a forbidden message format       *
*  (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting)  *
*       Lists at  sjsu.edu only accept PLAIN TEXT         *
* If your postings display this message your mail program *
* is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting  *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Do the math, David.

See Ya....John Wayland

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