[EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why By Stephen Edelstein Apr 29, 2015 ht2 Brian Henderson [images

[EVDL] EVLN: ElectraGirl: 1Yr with my 2014 BMW i3 EV

2015-05-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
https://transportevolved.com/2015/05/02/electragirl-one-year-with-my-2014-bmw-i3/ ElectraGirl: One Year with my 2014 BMW i3 May 2, 2015 By ElectraGirl [images https://d290b3p3ki7y5s.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/2014-BMW-i3-Electranaut-badge-front-580x435.jpg?b09674 One Year as an

Re: [EVDL] Acquitted: Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +

2015-05-06 Thread Jorg Brown via EV
This is not justice, not yet. The officers claimed this happened after 11 but the bystanders say it happened before 11. At that point, it throws into question every other claim that these officers made. On facebook it's more clear that racism may have been a factor. On Tue, May 5, 2015 at

[EVDL] EVLN: BMW electric drivetrain evolution and the new Mini-E

2015-05-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/04/29/bmw-electric-drivetrain-evolution-and-the-new-mini-e/ BMW electric drivetrain evolution and the new Mini-E April 29th, 2015 | by Chris Llana [images http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/mini-electric-rendering.jpg mini electric rendering BMW

[EVDL] EVLN: BMW i3 EV w/ built-in cash depository ideabank.pl ATMs

2015-05-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://insideevs.com/poland-4-bmw-i3s-serve-mobile-atms/ In Poland, 4 BMW i3s Serve As Mobile ATMs [20150428] by Mark Kane ht2 George Betak [images http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/bmw-i3-mobilny-bankomat.jpg BMW i3 Mobile ATM

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I was wondering about this. Glad you found the article, Bruce. Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the market, here. The real ones will come along as the EV market and technology progresses. Peri -- Original Message -- From: brucedp5 via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all. And there's another factor. Our market is capitalistic, yes, but far from an actual free market. This is a good thing; monopolies are an inevitable

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/06/2015 05:00 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: ...and possibly as well advice on what to avoid...I seem to remember Leafs up to a certain year died quick deaths in the heat...? b I think that was the first year (2011?). The year I had. I don't begrudge Nissan not getting their battery sorted

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Mr23 via EV
The Leafs seem to be the most reliable as a population, at least I haven't run across information to the contrary yet, while the i3, e-Golf and 500e have some teething pains, the FFE has SSN events. Is there any website with data on reliability for all/most of the electrics ? On 5/6/2015 5:00

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I don't follow your reasoning. There are reasons not to like a lease but the fixed income aspect is not usually one of them. In fact, often it's the opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing field? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 10:17 AM, Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Presumably more choices will mean more

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Al Lumas via EV
Chevy just lowered the price of their Spark EV. Al At 01:50 PM 5/6/2015, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On May 6, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Are there any additional policies you have in mind to help level the playing field? It's not something I've given much thought to...and, honestly? Anything I'd suggest would be politically unrealistic given how

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
You're right, not likely to happen. But the auto bailout had more to do with its timing and the likely impact on jobs and the economy than anything else...think dominos. If you do think of anything, let me know. Seriously. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Ben Goren

[EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
as a replacement pack is 5500 dollars.  There was also a 99 dollar lease on the Fiat 500.  Lawrence Rhodes.. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150506/731fb13f/attachment.htm

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/06/2015 05:03 PM, Al Lumas via EV wrote: Chevy just lowered the price of their Spark EV. I thought the Spark was a compliance car. Not available in Arizona. Am I wrong? I haven't seen any availability in Texas. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
If they made a car that fit my needs better than anyone else, I wouldn't care. Otherwise, I'd be biting off my nose to spite my face. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The problem with compliance cars is they are made by companies

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
Might be worth checking out the lease options. I'm leasing a Smart ED for $124/mo with $250 down. A Smart's not the best freeway car but it's great around town. I've seen deals on Leafs for under $250/month. --Rick On 05/06/2015 04:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, my parents are okay. But,

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks, but I don't think a lease is likely to be especially desirable. It's that fixed income Social Security bit...an extra triple digits per month would be a disturbingly large fraction of their budget. That's part of the reason why I think an EV would be ideal, if a suitable model is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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[EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected possible frame damage. So...if the insurance company winds

[EVDL] Updated: (Not-Charged): Charging-EVr PD-assaulted pushed, handcuffed, punched, pepper-sprayed +

2015-05-06 Thread brucedp5 via EV
I added several newswires to the post, see http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Charging-EVr-PD-assaulted-pushed-handcuffed-punched-pepper-sprayed-tp4675150p4675369.html While the EV'r (Justin Leland Palmer, 36, an African-American, NYU grad and father of four along with

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 05/06/2015 03:50 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: So, my parents are okay. But, apparently, their '89 Lincoln Town car might not be...somebody pulled out of a driveway in front of them faster than could be avoided...resulting in smoke coming from the engine compartment and suspected possible

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I don't follow your reasoning. There are reasons not to like a lease but the fixed income aspect is not usually one of them. In fact, often it's the opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are predictable and the payments are (usually) lower than loan-to-buy payments. A

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all. My guess is that most ZEV owners (and many ICE owners) have a 2nd vehicle that is not a ZEV unless their lifestyle, tastes and habits match their ZEV perfectly. Compliance cars are frequently no less perfect for someone's

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-06 Thread Jamie K via EV
Here are some links regarding LEAF batteries, warranties and replacement: http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1081362_nissan-leaf-battery-capacity-loss-covered-by-warranty-now http://insideevs.com/nissan-makes-good-on-battery-warranty-plesge-for-2011-2012-leaf-owners-software-update/

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I don't get this. Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they are there? We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I was wondering

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few

2015-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
That's assuming that more choices == more sales. I don't know if that's true or not for this market. There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I certainly want to see their sales increase. Ideally speaking, I'd rather see real cars rather than compliance cars. Just an emotional