Re: [EVDL] Need Lithium batteries.

2014-10-10 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Geez really dude! A little condescending and then you top it off with no knowledge of batteries! It's obvious they are leaf batteries. He was speaking of the link in the original message he relied to. Sent from my iPad On Oct 10, 2014, at 2:16 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV

Re: [EVDL] Lightobject meter experience

2014-10-12 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It is just a panel meter. I use one to turn off my charger. It has worked fine for that and it seems accurate but I haven't compared it to other data. Capacity is another issue since it drops slightly with every charge and discharge cycle. It will keep good record of what was put in. I haven't

Re: [EVDL] Lightobject meter experience

2014-10-12 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Problem is no one has actually proved that with experimentation. Not in any of my reading. You can believe what ever you like. I have used ammeter for 2 years now. The voltage always end exactly the same. The next day the pack is the pack is exactly 147 volts. I have never seen any study done

Re: [EVDL] Lightobject meter experience

2014-10-12 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I skip constant voltage. My cell voltage at the end of charge is 3.34 volts after settling for several hours. When I use cc - cv mode they settle to 3.38 volts. You don't loose more than a couple miles range by skipping the cv mode. Sent from my iPad On Oct 12, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Rick Beebe

Re: [EVDL] Lightobject meter experience

2014-10-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
According to whom? Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Cruisin via EVev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Using a meter to turn off a charger at a pre-programmed voltage can be very risky. Paul Dove wrote: Problem is no one has actually proved

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread Paul Dove via EV
You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. Do the math regen produces a few amps and acceleration uses hundreds of amps. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2014, at 3:57 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: 'REGEN SPREADS TO SUSPENSION SYSTEMS'

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
Read it again. He says right up front in the article, On the first part of the steep downhill run, we could recover about 5% of the total capacity through recuperation. From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
Thanks, that is what I said. Nice to see someone has published measured results. From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?) I've

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What Click-n-Clack know about regen (?)

2014-10-28 Thread paul dove via EV
(?) Paul Dove via EV wrote: You get no where near that much energy back. 5% on average. 5% is roughly the amount of range extension that regen provides. It can be more if you make very frequent stops (like a delivery vehicle), or live in a very hilly area. Otherwise, you don't use the brakes

Re: [EVDL] EV-spirits: Use a Halloween Costume for the EV-cause

2014-11-01 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I usually just let them drive my car. Then they say this is just like a regular car only peppier Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2014, at 5:54 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: This is my observation about countering anti-EV rhetoric. If you find things are different

Re: [EVDL] A self contained car charging system

2014-11-01 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Tesla Model S? My friends all drive EV's I must make amends. Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends, So Lord, won't you buy me a Tesla Model S? Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:02 AM, rayfellow via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Here's a self

Re: [EVDL] Volt pih EVSE a suspect in NW Houston TX garage fire

2014-11-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Bet it was his BMS Sent from my iPad On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:43 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: % ?Bad wiring, defective EVSE, wrong EVSE choice for a Volt pih? %

Re: [EVDL] Volt pih EVSE a suspect in NW Houston TX garage fire

2014-11-06 Thread paul dove via EV
and burned up. Be nice if they followed up with an explanation but we will probably never know. From: Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: brucedp5 bruce...@operamail.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 6:38 AM

Re: [EVDL] Volt pih EVSE a suspect in NW Houston TX garage fire

2014-11-06 Thread paul dove via EV
True! But there is a very high probability it was the charger since that was a recent change. After all we have seen it with the Tesla as well. Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), which is under investigation by U.S. regulators over fires in its Model S sedan after battery punctures, will upgrade

Re: [EVDL] Range vs Speed

2014-11-06 Thread paul dove via EV
It's never zero because of conservation of energy. I think Tesla says their electronics are only 80% efficient so you loose 20% on acceleration and another 20% on regen. Not counting other losses such as wind. From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org

Re: [EVDL] Q about using an electronic load.

2014-11-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I have always used a load bank. It works great Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I am investigating how to test cells and packs - I will need to charge and discharge. If I have a programmable electronic load, rather than purely

Re: [EVDL] Q about using an electronic load.

2014-11-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I have an HP 6050a 1800 watt electronic load Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have heard of putting a roll of fencing in a tank to steam off heat. Is this useful with a programmable load? Or is this just a crude way to

Re: [EVDL] Crusin Batteries

2014-11-07 Thread paul dove via EV
Charge them at 1C to 4.2V don't discharge past 2.5V they are 3.75 volts nominal. From: Steve Clunn via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Crusin Batteries Hi Guys Audrey Clunn here...

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CA testing 55+mpge mi-based/VMT road-tax-fees aimed@ plugins

2014-11-07 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay for roads. Previously it was done by taxing fuel. You can tax electricity to pay for roads because how would you know which part went into the vehicle. So they have to devise another way Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:36 AM, EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid battery reconditioning

2014-11-17 Thread Paul Dove via EV
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_restore_nickel_based_batteries Sent from my iPad On Nov 17, 2014, at 5:57 AM, Pestka, Dennis J via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Has anyone heard of this company, or have any experience with them.

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid battery reconditioning

2014-11-17 Thread paul dove via EV
You all need to read the link I posted. It explains how to recondition Nickle based batteries. It also explains the failure mechanism and why this works. From: EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

2014-11-19 Thread paul dove via EV
I built mine 2 years ago. The only time I charged it anywhere besides my garage was when I towed it to EVCON. It's mostly a silly argument and most chargers around cities are never used. From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: tomw

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla their 7credit-EV

2014-11-20 Thread paul dove via EV
://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 4:04 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Supercapacitors could get Tesla

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Just a little history, gasoline cars had to buy gas in gallon cans from the hardware store in the beginning. Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:53 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I think the solution will be much more boring than that. As battery capacity increases

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I believe that is why Tesla gives it away to its customers. Sent from my iPad On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:45 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: And with parking meters charging, becoming bigger and also taking credit cards, I see a potential future in the

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
(hour), fill up for an hour or half hour at a supercharger, drive 40-60 miles back (another hour or so) who dont comprehend the cost to fill a battery and focus on free) This is EV related in thats it's charging On Tue, 11/25/14, Paul Dove via

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)

2014-11-25 Thread paul dove via EV
Except for the fact that much of the population lives in Apartments and high roise building and have neither option. Where I live it works fine. I built a car with 40 miles of range. I plug in at home and at work so every time I get in it it is fully charged. I drive 20 miles to work and it's

Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!)

2014-11-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Very rare? Like film and mechanical watches. No it's common and happens all the time and it's happening now Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Most posts in this thread are vastly underestimating the

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

2014-12-21 Thread paul dove via EV
Both Bush and Obama have taked about clean coal think they even mentioned it in state of the union spaches. From: Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:09 AM Subject:

Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)

2015-01-29 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, a lot of horror stories on that and we found design flaws when we looked at it From: Rush Dougherty via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] 120240v

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i-MiEV features, won 13 awards r:60mi

2015-03-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I own a 2012 iMiEV and I love it. It will go 62 miles in D and 80 in C. I never tried driving in B yet. I just had it a week. I bought it used with 6300 miles for $13,000 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2015, at 8:36 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread paul dove via EV
to Tesla owners. Peri -- Original Message -- From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 06-Mar-15 9:11:42 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight Irrelevant until a person can actually

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread paul dove via EV
Irrelevant until a person can actually purchase one. Till then it's pie in the sky. From: Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BASF sez 1k+mi NiMH EV Pack 700Wh/kg, lighter-weight

2015-03-06 Thread paul dove via EV
Sure they might exist but it's not economical to own that much battery for occasional use. People like that usually have multiple cars. We first must get past the adoption curve. Too much range anxiety among people with no EV experience. From: Peri Hartman

Re: [EVDL] Insurance Woes

2015-03-10 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Does Utah allow you to put up a bond? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2015, at 12:37 PM, Bill Dennis via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I got rid of my Geo Metro EV and purchased a 1974 Saab Sonett that was originaly converted to electric by Walter Kern, of Saab Quantum fame, back in the

Re: [EVDL] Article: Electric cars could boost CO2 emissions in some provinces

2015-03-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
All you need is one fact. Electricity is generated to make gasoline. It takes around 5 kW ours of electricity to refine 1 gallon of gasoline. An electric car can travel 10 to 20 miles on this amount of energy. Sent from my iPad On Mar 24, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Michael Ross via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-27 Thread Paul Dove via EV
My questions is How can you be sure? Are you positive the Leaf instrumentation measures capacity correctly. They claim it is all an instrumentation issue not a battery issue. The I-MiEV instructs the owner to periodically drive the vehicle almost empty and then recharge fully to keep the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: LEAF EV Pack Reliability Outperforms Cynics Critics (?)

2015-03-27 Thread Paul Dove via EV
to really know what is happening Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Willie2 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 03/27/2015 06:53 AM, Paul Dove via EV wrote: My questions is How can you be sure? Are you positive the Leaf instrumentation measures capacity correctly. They claim

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Uber CEO sez will replace all of its drivers with Auton-EVs

2015-02-27 Thread paul dove via EV
Tesla says they can do it now From: Alan Arrison via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Uber CEO sez will replace all of its drivers with Auton-EVs The constant stream of news

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: iMiev remains cheap EV champ [charging at work]

2015-03-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
All the EVs I have seen go at least 50 miles Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I have a 25 mile commute and with no charging station. I'm at 50 mile range round trip. [so] I am*not* a candidate for most EVs. ... if my company

Re: [EVDL] Cold Charging Lithium Experiences

2015-02-23 Thread paul dove via EV
This is from 2006 and yes they may have improved the electrolyte but it's best to foillow your battery manufacturers guidelines on this. The effect of temperature on the cell voltage and electrode potentials during charging at 5mA is similar to charging at high currents, lithium plating was

Re: [EVDL] Cold Charging Lithium Experiences

2015-02-25 Thread paul dove via EV
Well, to be exact all Lithium Ion batteries die for one reason. Loss of electrolyte. Plating is just a way to loose electrolyte. Without moving Li Ions the battery can't work. The Ions that move are in the electrolyte. From: Michael Ross via EV

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (Was: ENERDEL Battery Experiences)

2015-04-01 Thread Paul Dove via EV
that. Jerry Dycus From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Bill Dube billd...@killacycle.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:18 PM

Re: [EVDL] Leaf Voltage

2015-04-20 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Electrolyte breakdown occurs over 4.17 volts Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, David Rees via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I’m finally getting the new pack together and it’s made up of Leaf cells. What voltage

Re: [EVDL] ~43% Of World's Electric Cars Bought In 2014 | CleanTechnica

2015-04-20 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I believe that to be the tip of the iceberg Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2015, at 9:03 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I do believe this is what a tipping point looks like: http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/19/43-of-worlds-electric-cars-bought-in-2014/ b

Re: [EVDL] Leaf Voltage

2015-04-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
4.17 comes from a Scientific paper. I am not home right now to attach a copy but when I get back Thursday I will Sent from my iPhone On Apr 21, 2015, at 4:23 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: I think really knowing this about Li ion cells is critical. Anecdotal is not good

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2014-2015 Smart Fortwo EV Recall Replaces Bad Bolts

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Dove via EV
U.S. Media thrives on confusion. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Hahahahaha, from glancing at the subject line I was wondering: Wow! did GM already have to recall their Bolt and why are they substituting it with a

Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

2015-05-10 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I love mine as well. I let a friend drive who was trying to find a Leaf, two weeks later he drove up in an i-MiEV. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Danpatgal via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Our iMiev has served us really well, and is much easier to get in and out of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: UK's 1000hp 1975 Electric Enfield (v)

2015-05-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I believe john walland does the quarter in less than ten in his electric Mazda. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2015, at 2:12 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://ecomento.com/2015/05/07/enfield-electric-1975-1000-horsepower-car/ Meet the 1000 horsepower 1975 Enfield

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
.. From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 22:37 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. No they don't. 30 to 35 miles on battery. You would have to prove that, Of course the i-MiEV

Re: [EVDL] Fw: Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
.. From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 22:37 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. No they don't. 30 to 35 miles on battery. You would have to prove that, Of course the i-MiEV will go further

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread paul dove via EV
Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org   To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org   Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 16:59   Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. The I-MiEV already is energy efficient. It travels 60 miles on a 16kw battery and charges in 30 min on chase mo. Sent

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread paul dove via EV
in a steel chassis. From: Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2015, 16:59 Subject: Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way. The I-MiEV already is energy efficient. It travels 60 miles on a 16kw battery

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-14 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I would think they would run power beside or under the road and run inductively Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On May 14, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: dump pack Thinking this through a bit

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CO's Credit Applies 2Used Outside-State Purchased EVs

2015-05-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Peri, The Federal Credit is only for new vehicles. QualifiedPlug-In Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Tax CreditA tax credit isavailable for the purchase of a new qualified plug-in electric drive motorvehicle that draws propulsion using a traction battery that has at least fivekilowatt hours (kWh)

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: CO's Credit Applies 2Used Outside-State Purchased EVs

2015-05-18 Thread paul dove via EV
Peri, The Federal Credit is only for new vehicles. QualifiedPlug-In Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Tax CreditA tax credit isavailable for the purchase of a new qualified plug-in electric drive motorvehicle that draws propulsion using a traction battery that has at least fivekilowatt hours (kWh)

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread paul dove via EV
I think you are wrong. The rule of thumb is weight / 10. For your car 2260/10=226 Wh/m You claim 216 so this fits. Tesla weighs 4700 lbs so it should use 470 Wh/m but it's between 325 and 375 Wh/m for most people. That comes to a 20% increase in efficiency over your car. From: tomw via EV

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread paul dove via EV
, 2015 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses On May 18, 2015, at 10:02 AM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The rule of thumb is weight / 10. Oooh -- that's a very useful suggestion. How much does aerodynamics change

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

2015-05-18 Thread paul dove via EV
EV4the masses   On May 18, 2015, at 10:02 AM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The rule of thumb is weight / 10. Oooh -- that's a very useful suggestion. How much does aerodynamics change that? In particular, I'm thinking of a 1964 1/2 Mustang with, I think, roughly a 0.5 cd. Final

Re: [EVDL] Supercharging is not the way.

2015-05-13 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The I-MiEV already is energy efficient. It travels 60 miles on a 16kw battery and charges in 30 min on chase mo. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2015, at 10:37 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I've now heard all the talk about 5 minute quick charging batteries and the 1

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-06 Thread Paul Dove via EV
You mean Diebold? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yeah, Maybe these same people would accept some sort of artificial intelligence program which would analyse their facebook postingsand social media and

Re: [EVDL] self driving cars

2015-04-07 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Lawrence Winiarski lawrence_winiar...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe this will work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8yE3_Vw144 From: Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk Will Force Auto Industry To Roll Out Self-Driving Cars Sooner Than You Think - Forbes

2015-04-06 Thread paul dove via EV
There is always a market for quality and Tesla will do fine as long as they build the best product on the Market. From: tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] The Tesla Factor: Elon Musk

Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-04-01 Thread paul dove via EV
Where do you get your information. LiFePO4 if good even at 140F. http://ecst.ecsdl.org/content/3/36/3.full.pdf From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Jeff Major jff_...@yahoo.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (Was: ENERDEL Battery Experiences)

2015-04-01 Thread paul dove via EV
You gave no source. So one is better than none. I've never heard or seen any paper that claims 104F will affect performance. From: Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 1:13

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (Was: ENERDEL Battery Experiences)

2015-04-01 Thread paul dove via EV
That is the opposite of what you said before 70 degrees C is well over 104 degrees F From: Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (Was: ENERDEL Battery Experiences)

2015-04-01 Thread paul dove via EV
I'm the one that originally posted that video and he doesn't make any such claim in it. From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Bill Dube billd...@killacycle.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:23

Re: [EVDL] Temperature rating (Was: ENERDEL Battery Experiences)

2015-04-01 Thread paul dove via EV
Oh, sorry Bill maybe I got confused who I was replying to. From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Bill Dube billd...@killacycle.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-19 Thread paul dove via EV
How trite! Also, completely wrong. The current battery is what makes electric cars viable. Prior to now they were of limited value.I drive mine every day. Only time I don't drive it is when I use my truck to haul something or take the Corvette for a pleasure drive. From: len moskowitz via

Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-20 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Well I am sorry he got annoyed and left but I still disagree. All we are seeing is the adoption curve. Any new technology takes time to be mass accepted. Before the lithium battery electric vehicles were a novelty. Now they are here to stay. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 AM,

Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
It's the same old argument only its not valid. All we are witnessing now is the adoption curve. All new technology takes time to catch on. Everyone I have let drive my car said, oh, this is just like a car. 1 out of ten go out and buy one after driving one. In my experience Sent from my

Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-19 Thread paul dove via EV
The BMW would work From: Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 12:05 PM Subject: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery. I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for

Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

2015-05-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
First off, there are hundreds of options in personal transportation. Not one vehicle fits all needs so person must choose. This doesn't change just because you're driving and electric vehicle it doesn't suit all needs but neither does a truck or station wagon or Corvette you get the picture. As

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-05 Thread paul dove via EV
AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:27 PM, David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes I suppose this is confusing. Let them ion batteries are charged according

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Absolutely never trickle charge any type of Lithium Ion battery Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Thanks, everybody, for all the advice. Sunday evening when I had dinner at their place, I set the car to only charge to 80%. I also

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging a Nissan?

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
My I-MiEV recommends driving down to one bar on the gauge once a month to reset the gauge. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Nissan doesn't recommend trickle charging. I was shocked when I heard that was in the manual. Then

Re: [EVDL] Trickle Charging?

2015-06-03 Thread Paul Dove via EV
True so let's define it Trickle charging means charging a fully charged battery under no-load at a rate equal to its self-discharge rate, thus enabling the battery to remain at its fully charged level.A battery under continuous float voltage charging is said to be under float-charging. I

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:27 PM, David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes I suppose this is confusing. Let them ion batteries are charged according to a procedure. Let's take lithium iron

Re: [EVDL] Success!

2015-06-04 Thread Paul Dove via EV
On Jun 4, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:27 PM, David Nelson gizm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes I suppose this is confusing. Let them ion

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Why charge cars? They should do this anyway to run the lights From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:46 AM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: pavegen.com tiles charge EV from human foot traffic (v)

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
Oh, yea, sorry I don't know why I was thinking magneticfield. At any rate the rest of what I said is accurate I believe.There is no electric field in a battery. A battery is a chemical reactor. The reaction is called red-ox reactions. In the battery is electrolyte which can conduct ions but

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge

2015-06-23 Thread paul dove via EV
for some electrons to travel (and ions in the opposite direction) and some discharge to happen? Peri -- Original Message -- From: paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 23-Jun-15 1:21:20 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge

2015-06-23 Thread Paul Dove via EV
There is not an electric field inside a battery. The electrolyte cause the field to be in equilibrium otherwise it would immediately discharge. The field is present when the terminals are connected and that is why you get ion movement. Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2015, at 10:33 PM, Lee

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes, if one really wants to protect from cell failure then fuse each cell like Tesla does. Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I said it, because it has come up in papers and journal articles I have read. Paul agreed with me I think.

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
I haven't seen any science from BMS advocates yet. They make lots of assumptions based on nothing. Besides I have a BMS I just don't have a cell level BMS. I haven't heard the theory on self discharge yet? Or the rate at which they discharge or an example of someone putting one on the shelf

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-21 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Yes, but I'm not at home now. When I get back to town I'll share my data Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One last question and then I prefer not to extend this subject any longer since it appears beaten to death:

Re: [EVDL] Mechanisms of self-discharge in Li-Ion batteries

2015-06-20 Thread Paul Dove via EV
, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 9:11 PM

Re: [EVDL] Final post, was: Bicycle battery

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 2:29 PM To: Lee Hart; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery I haven't seen any science from BMS advocates yet. They make lots of assumptions based on nothing. Besides I have a BMS I just don't

Re: [EVDL] Chargers for Charging individual cells

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Any power supply will work you just need to keep an eye on it and cut it off when the cells full ie cutoff voltage listed on spec sheet Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Peter Eckhoff via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm not ready to hook a 144V charger up to a partial Chevy

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The specify a self discharge rate because people asked for it. All the ones I've seen say less than 1%. Well zero is less than 1% Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: David, Why do all manufacturers of Li-Ion batteries specify

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-19 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Did actually read it? That paper is about capacity loss not voltage drop over time. Sent from my iPad On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:58 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: David, Here is a paper describing the chemical and physical mechanisms inside a Li-Ion cell that cause

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $27k Chevy Spark EV price cut to encourage sales

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
The I-MiEV is $22 thousand something. I don't know who writes this garbage Sent from my iPad On Jun 25, 2015, at 9:01 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150620/ENTERTAINMENTLIFE/150629955/13881 Test Drive: Price cut for Chevy's

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge (was: Bicycle battery)

2015-06-25 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Here's my observation I received my cells and new the measured 3.3 volts. 16 months later when I put then in the vehicle they measured 3.298 and 3.297. Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: One last question and then I prefer not

Re: [EVDL] Lee Hart Zener Regulator for Calb cells

2015-06-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
If you have a bike with no BMS and you are monitoring the cells that should be all the data you need to decide if a BMS is necessary. Not what others tell you. What are you observations of the cells Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:29 PM, damon henry via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Zero self-discharge

2015-06-24 Thread Paul Dove via EV
A battery is chemical not electrical Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Roger Stockton via EV wrote: I think that it is possible that people are confusing *theoretical* cell chemistry with that of *practical* cells. I think that is

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread paul dove via EV
: Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery Paul Dove via EV wrote: That was a very good summary. Cell balancing is something that was done with other chemistry a and many have tried to apply it to Li Ion chemistries but it doesn't work with Lithium since cells do self discharge or drift. If one wanted

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
We already covered how to tell is a cell has internal defects. You drain the cell to 2.5 volts and then if the cell voltage rises it's good if it keeps falling don't use it. I did think this up This is what NASA does. I read it in one of their presentations. I can dig it up if you like. As

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Paul Dove via EV Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:31 PM To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery Even Boeing

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of paul dove via EV Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:40 AM

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle battery

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Dove via EV
Even Boeing burned up dream liners with a BMS. Got any other argument besides everyone is doing it? Sent from my iPad On Jun 18, 2015, at 2:02 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 18 Jun 2015 at 11:43, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: That pack is very nicely

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