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2019-02-17 Thread paul dove via EV
Sorry I remembered that wrong it said don’t use salt water. It’s on page 14. How to discharge battery https://elvsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2012_I_Dismantling_guide.pdf Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2019, at 12:49 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > Submerge? > >

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2019-02-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Submerge? http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70=1920=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fsunken-ferrari-1.jpg%3Fquality%3D85 - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > Mitsubishi says to

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2019-02-16 Thread paul dove via EV
Mitsubishi says to submerge the battery in salt water. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 2/16/19 12:14 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: >> Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice >> they could throw on the

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2019-02-16 Thread Willie via EV
On 2/16/19 12:37 PM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 1:15 PM Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent flaring up? Probably not. If you assume they

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2019-02-16 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 1:15 PM Gail Lucas via EV wrote: > Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed > ice they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent > flaring up? > Probably not. If you assume they can maintain typical freezer temperature of -10

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2019-02-16 Thread Willie via EV
On 2/16/19 12:14 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote: Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent flaring up? A seemingly good idea. Perhaps worthy of study by fire fighting people. Two likely problems

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2019-02-16 Thread Gail Lucas via EV
Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent flaring up? On 2/16/2019 4:15 AM, paul dove wrote: The main point is that a lithium battery fire is a chemical fire supplying its own oxygen so it can’t be

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2019-02-16 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: The main point is that a lithium battery fire is a chemical fire supplying its own oxygen so it can’t be smothered. One must remove the heat and bring the temperature of the the battery below the thermal run away point. I watched videos of firemen trying to douse a

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2019-02-16 Thread paul dove via EV
The main point is that a lithium battery fire is a chemical fire supplying its own oxygen so it can’t be smothered. One must remove the heat and bring the temperature of the the battery below the thermal run away point. I watched videos of firemen trying to douse a lithium battery fire and it

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2019-02-15 Thread Gail Lucas via EV
I thought of this too when Ron, a volunteer firefighter on our list, found the information could be useful to him in his work. Also, it would be good for anyone driving vehicles with lithium batteries to know to look for a hose instead of grabbing their fire extinguisher. Gail On 2/15/2019