[EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
For quite some time, I've had vague plans of getting an electric vehicle of some sort. When I put the solar array on my roof a couple years ago, I intentionally oversized it so I'd have enough extra to charge a car and still have (roughly, of course) net zero electric use. Until recently, the

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-18 Thread Ben Goren via EV
transmission, you than could use engine vacuum load sensors like I did back in the 80's. Roland - Original Message - From: Ben Goren via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:58 PM Subject: [EVDL] How crazy am I? For quite some time, I've had vague plans

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
David, Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful analysis! I *think* I'm dodging most of the worst pitfalls you caution against. Specifically: The result is that your hybrid isn't going to be optimized as either an ICEV or an EV. It's likely that its EV range will be less than a similar

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 19, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On the question, I have an opinion. The only very successful Real Hybrid conversions have been those which replace the ICE with a smaller unit and transmission and added an Electric (AC) Motor. May I ask...what do you

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BMWDaimler developing 3-Hour Wireless Inductive EVSE for i3 EV

2014-07-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Me, too. However, consumers might not care (unfortunately). In other words, you might pay 15% more to cover losses but compared to what? I'd echo this sentiment. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Many

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: BMWDaimler developing 3-Hour Wireless Inductive EVSE for i3 EV

2014-07-21 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:53 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You might be able to even make it automatically adjust the focus to slightly off-centre alignment, thereby making parking easier and the whole she-bang more efficient. And maybe focus vertically as well as

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 21, 2014, at 10:21 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 21 Jul 2014 at 14:12, Ben Goren via EV wrote: I'm really only looking for a battery pack big enough for local trips; a couple dozen miles would be plenty. I suspect that the smallest pack that puts out

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 22, 2014, at 1:20 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Another factor to consider is that while power capability varies by design, as a general rule, smaller cells are usually capable of lower power output. Um. I was unaware that that was something that needed to be

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid/Mustang

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Steve Clunn via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: About 10 years ago Net Gain was making a kit to do just this. I called NetGain yesterday, and the gentleman I spoke with was involved with that particular project and was quite encouraging -- with a bunch of caveats, of

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 22, 2014, at 7:47 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 22 Jul 2014 at 10:24, Ben Goren via EV wrote: Wikipedia says curb weight is 2,445. I don't see this ending up at 3,500 after conversion...but I also like estimating pessimistically. I see that too

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I know the question of AC and DC motors is a controversial one, and probably done to death. But if all y'all might humor me, I'd appreciate a bit of guidance on this. To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2 Mustang in good shape for not much money. The goal is to get something not unlike

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: Motor control

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
This is actually a pair of interrelated questions: electric motor controllers, and how to tell said controllers how to control the motors. To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2 Mustang in good shape for not much money. The goal is to get something not unlike the driving experience of a

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: Motor control

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 23, 2014, at 6:52 PM, Collin Kidder coll...@kkmfg.com wrote: You might keep in mind the GEVCU project which can be purchased from EVTV Ooooh...I like! Currently it works with DMOC645, Brusa, and Coda UQM controllers. What would be involved in support for the typical Curtis or

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 23, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Ben Apollonio via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On the contrary. Tesla cells discharge at a very LOW current. When you have 85kWh of battery, you only need 3.5C to make 300kW, and C/5 to cruise at 55MPH. Even the 120kW 'supercharger' tops out at about 2C (for

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: Motor control

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:41 AM, Collin Kidder coll...@kkmfg.com wrote: We've mostly been focused on trying to support the higher end OEM controllers we've been getting out of bankrupt companies and salvage. Then...can you point me in the direction of a supported controller worth considering for

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:54 AM, Rod Hower rodho...@ameritech.net wrote: This is the main page that has several different categories listed, including motor controls http://liionbms.com/php/index.php Wow -- that is an amazing resource, one that'll keep me quite busy for a while. Thanks! b

[EVDL] Australian team smashes 26-year-old electric car world record - CNET

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Sunswift, a solar car racing team from the University of New South Wales, has today broken an electriccar world record that has stood since 1988. The record, overseen by the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), measures the average speed of an electric vehicle over a 500km distance

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 22, 2014, at 8:21 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: For example, the CALB 40ah cells I mentioned are rated for a maximum discharge of 2C (80 amps). At 144v, 80a is 11.5kW. Allowing for losses, that's only about 12hp from your motor! I think I may be a bit

Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I?

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:38 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] How crazy am I

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-24 Thread Ben Goren via EV
A while ago, I had done some back-of-the-envelope math that told me that I didn't need to worry much about batteries until the time came to actually pick which to buy. Now, thanks to y'all, I'm realizing that this may instead be a show-stopper. To recap, I have a chance to buy a 1964 1/2

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:57 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I think Ben G can build this car. However, I'm not sure he's going to get absolutely everything he wants (range, power, price). As with so many other things : go far, go fast, go cheap : pick two. :-\ I'd

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:21 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Why on the world would you need over 200kW unless you are doing a race car? Well, each AC-51 is rated for ~80 kW; I'm assuming a pair is ~160 kW -- which is about the same as the 260 motor in the car already. Seemed

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote: I thought someone contacted you about there Nissan Leaf battery packs. I click up there site that was sent to you (hybrid auto center.com) and one battery pack is rated at 182V nominal at 12kw/h. Contains 24 modules at 7.8V/60ah

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 25, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Two strings of 45 gets 200 kW with 20 kWh at 500 pounds for $3900 -- something *much* more reasonable than anything I had calculated earlier. Hmmm...I found a bug in the spreadsheet; cost is $7200...but still moving

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-25 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Thanks for the detailed explanation, Cor. I think I'm still having a hard time warping my head 'round torque and power requirements and all the rest. I'm thinking I need some good way to calculate (or at least guesstimate) *actual* power requirements so I can compare with what I'm seeing on

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
to fully disengage the engine for EV-only drive. -Ben On Jul 23, 2014, at 5:02 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I know the question of AC and DC motors is a controversial one, and probably done to death. But if all y'all might humor me, I'd appreciate a bit of guidance

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: batteries

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:01 AM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben, you are right. *if* you can find a 6:1 rear end (the highest that my vehicle can be equipped with is 4.2:1) The car has an 8 rear end, which will go up (down) to 4.11. There's a shop in town that'll build a

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Just one more time, Ben. Do you really need to keep the ICE? Especially with an old car like that - no computer, nothing electronic what so ever, think how easy and simple your configuration would be if electric

Re: [EVDL] Mustang/Hybrid

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Steve Clunn via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A few things I haven't seen mentioned is that all these posts are archived so that people can look things up and how crazy am I does not say anything about Mustang hybrid conversions. This is why I replied with a new

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, what if that plugin (EV or plug-in-hybrid) came with a built-in level-1 (L1) outlet powered by an inverter drawing from the vehicle's pack? I'd love to have some variation on this theme. Actually, I'll have a dedicated

Re: [EVDL] Designing in additional incentives to increase plugin purchases

2014-07-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Dennis Miles dmiles33...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tiny 100 Watt 60 Hz AC inverter which runs on 12 V.DC which can fool the output of the solar system inverter, and the inverter will match the phase and frequency of the little inverter. Also I am an expert so I

Re: [EVDL] Tesla might Supercharge EVs to regain 400mi in 15min for 7 credits

2014-07-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 27, 2014, at 12:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In Tesla’s defense, Straubel says that the current 120-kW Supercharger “seemed pretty crazy even 10 years ago” when conventional chargers delivered under 10kW. So, maybe this theoretical 720 kW Supercharger is possible…in

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 24, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Ben Apollonio e...@bapollo.com wrote: For your hybrid application, I'd go with the AC. One word: regen -- without it to recharge the battery, hybrid mode is of little benefit; better to just disengage the motor altogether. I've been leaning towards AC since

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: car bought

2014-07-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, I'm still not sure what exact route I'm going to go for hybridizing the car. I still like the idea of replacing most of the drive shaft with electric motors, but there's also Dennis's suggestion of a transfer case, and somebody else suggested possibly a transmission with a PTO and the

Re: [EVDL] HPEVS selling in Russia, tacky.

2014-07-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 30, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Cruisin via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: You probably didn't loose any friends or relatives on the downing of the Malayan airlines by Putin backed terrorists, I did. I'm sorry for your loss, but, before we start on a witch hunt...do you know if the Russian dealer

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-07-31 Thread Ben Goren via EV
motors readily available for those fuels. Jerry Dycus On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:27 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Just one more time, Ben. Do

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Jul 31, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I believe John Wayland converted one for someone. He's a genius at building beautiful high-performance conversions -- have you contacted him for details? Didn't occur to me to actually try to contact one of the EV gods. But

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss * On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 12:22 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 1 Aug 2014 at 13:17, Ben Goren via EV wrote: it probably also makes sense to get an air conditioner that runs [on] the 12V system so it, too, can run when the car

[EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
So, as I mentioned in that previous post on air conditioning, I was at my shade tree mechanic's yesterday; he was fixing a fuel leak on my '68 Westfalia. And he had what I'm thinking may be the best idea yet for connecting the electric motors in the Mustang. Basically, mount a gear (two gears,

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
, though there's a lot to be said for something mechanical.) On Aug 2, 2014, at 1:18 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 2 Aug 2014 at 6:48, Ben Goren via EV wrote: I'm now leaning towards insulated battery boxes with Peltier coolers. I don't follow trends

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Just to follow up on this: I spoke with Bill at HPEVS this afternoon. I still don't think he'd be willing to sign off on the project considering the uncharted territory I'm heading into, but he was also rather more encouraging with this latest round of changes. The AC-51s use 6207-2RS

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: Since you live in AZ, why not an evaporative swamp cooler? They work pretty well in low humidity environments. Sadly, about half the hot season is humid enough for evaporative coolers to be ineffective. Some people have both

Re: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Don't forget another important time-and-distance metric: time to go 1/4 mile. The street-legal White Zombie's 10.24 quarter mile should more than counter any snickers about EVs being golf carts for old farts. Yes, EVs are vital for stemming the tide of resource exhaustion and pollution, but

Re: [EVDL] As an aid when recommending an EV to someone else,

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
I have an uncle in San Francisco who has an Honda Fit EV -- part of one of their limited lease public trials. He lives near the top of the hill just south of the park. When he drives down to the park, regen overfills his batteries (I'm sure Honda intentionally doesn't have the wall charger take

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: AC or DC?

2014-08-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
at 10:02 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Aug 2, 2014, at 6:10 PM, Lee Hart leeah...@earthlink.net wrote: Since you live in AZ, why not an evaporative swamp cooler? They work pretty well in low humidity environments. Sadly, about half the hot season is humid enough

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:25 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 4 Aug 2014 at 18:14, Ben Goren via EV wrote: He says it's okay to spin the motors faster than 8000 RPM so long as it's not the controller that's sending the current to the motors that's doing the spinning

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 5, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If I were the OP, I'd still want HPEVS to provide some max safe RPM value, not just a verbal statement that the 8000RPM limit is a controller limitation and not a limitation of the motor. No worries. The plan is to

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 5, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben Goren wrote: The AC-51s use 6207-2RS bearings; my main job is to research their side loading capacity. However, Bill says there're a number of side-loaded AC- 35s out there, and that he thinks I'm probably okay

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window to prove (video)

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:13 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window to prove (video) When cars become fully autonomous a la Google, that'll significantly change many dynamics, especially efficiency. I'd expect individual ownership to

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 9:02 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On 6 Aug 2014 at 3:37, Dennis Miles via EV wrote: Ben, autos stopped using chain or belt drives 80 years ago ... Thank goodness! Imagine having to crawl under your car to clean and lube the chain every month

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Ben Goren wrote: Very interesting! That exact design won't work, as I'm keeping the V8 -- but the basic geometry is very similar to what I have in mind. Understood; I was thinking that it might be easier to modify

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: With the gearing Ben could avoid the second electric motor, and buy more batteries. But it is your decision, Ben. I do like the idea from a mechanical elegance perspective...but the second motor also gives more oomph

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window to prove (video)

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The other problem with cordless charging - whether robot arm or induction - is that it requires a certain orientation of the vehicle. In my case, I back into my driveway because it's too difficult to see when backing

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Roger Stockton via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I believe you are mistaken. I think what you need to consider is termed overhung load; this Gates document gives a good overview: Roger, thanks for that excellent resource. Obviously, I'm not an ME...but I'm sure

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window to prove (video)

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
-TZtySh8 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: expecting the car to plug itself into a wall outlet / cable is asking a bit much. I can easily imagine a robot arm that can

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'm thinking it'd be a good idea to see if I can't find somebody at Gates to help me run some numbers and suggest part specifications. I'd almost undoubtedly use their belts (I just replaced the disintegrating fan belt

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid Mustang: motorcycle drivetrain?

2014-08-06 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Roland e...@msn.com wrote: They did this for me and was subjected for my installation, is to have a opposing belt in the opposite direction of each other or a continuous belt place on 3 or 4 pulleys 60 to 90 degrees of each other to reduce the bearing load of

Re: [EVDL] Tesla Vs UK's Ecotricity Dispute - MoreBackgroundInformation...

2014-08-09 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 9, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Have you ever been customer of a US bank? I was totally shocked when I came to the USA, fed my new ATM card into the nearest machine and was asked to pay several dollars convenience fee just to pull my money out of

Re: [EVDL] Conversion advice (regen)

2014-08-11 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 11, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As for regen, the efficiency improvement you get over DC will vary... Typically the improvement is small, because you just don't spend that much time braking. ... Learn to make use of coasting and you can probably

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers

2014-08-20 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Other Hydrogen systems use the hydrogen as fuel for the ICE. I'm not aware of any of these, but would certainly be interested in learning about where it is being done. Regular gasoline engines are, for the most

Re: [EVDL] cost of gas form Oil Sands?

2014-08-22 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 22, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: So the simple conclusion is electricity that Solar PV or wind turbine or hydro generates is better used charging the BEV battery than the complex process of manufacturing hydrocarbon. Not only that; the article did the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 4:54 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 3:53 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A new study brings an old topic back to the forefront: how much range is enough, and is it better to use battery advancements to decrease price

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Dennis Miles via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Certainly the BEV dan be designed to make the battery swappable Indeed, Tesla has already done that. I'm sure most here have already seen this, but even so it's worth the few minutes to watch it again:

Re: [EVDL] Cargo bike with electric chain.

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: If you look to motorcycles - there is empirical evidence - the highest performance bikes have chains. They do dyno testing and will do whatever they can to increase how far a tank of gas goes, or to improve acceleration

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: In the leasing model, battery packs have a guaranteed capacity. It does not have a guaranteed manufacture date. That implies a corollary: that you might buy the car with a lease on a 24 kWh battery...but are you still

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Ed Blackmond via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I see this as the way to make the econobox electric vehicles possible. The Nissan Leaf would sell for the same price as its essential twin the Versa and the battery pack would be leased. If it plays out like that and

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:26 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: From what I've read, part of the idea behind their lease - they'll sell you the car, but not the battery - is to keep the car's selling price low. I think the battery lease costs about what you'd spend on on

Re: [EVDL] 241 mph on the salt....

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Today, we did 241 mph with a 239 mph back-up run in the opposite direction. (Official record will be ~240 mph.) First, please imagine a rather lengthly expletive-filled rant about your sanity -- or, rather, of course,

Re: [EVDL] 241 mph on the salt....

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Today, we did 241 mph with a 239 mph back-up run in the opposite direction. (Official record will be ~240 mph.) Um...on a slightly selfish note...any chance you can provide enough information on your battery that somebody

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 6:16 PM, Rick Beebe via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Slight variant: I'm leasing a Smart ED and renting the battery. Considering how young and rapidly evolving the EV world is, leasing and / or renting makes more sense than it does in the gasoline world. At the end of the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:27 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: IIRC, the average person thinks that he needs about 150 miles of EV range. He doesn't really, but that's his perception. That depends on your definition of, need. Sure, 90% of trips are under 150 miles -- but

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 28, 2014, at 9:44 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: However, for a long as I've followed EVs (and that's over 40 years) the battery has always been the main source of reliability problems. For me, too. That's why I'm looking to use the smallest pack I can get away

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 29, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I think one could argue that if you take a 100 mile trip once every 6 weeks, an EV for everything else might work. Renting once every 6 weeks would be reasonable, perhaps. For some, perhaps. It's definitely much less

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

2014-08-29 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Aug 29, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Jamie K via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I'll just quibble somewhat with your conclusion below about BEVs as a second car. Excellent point. Obviously, a car that's superior (and actually used) for 85% of driving should be considered the primary car -- even if such

Re: [EVDL] 270.224 mph at Bonneville

2014-09-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 13, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Bill Dube via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The A123 Systems 14 Ahr pouch cells are really unbelievable. Any chance these are readily available to the public? If so, where...? b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name:

Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a higher mpge design

2014-09-14 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Any others? NetGain has a PIH kit with a pair of inline smallish motors that replace much of the driveshaft and act as a range extender. I don't think they're readily available except as fleet conversions, but give

Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a higher mpge design

2014-09-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:29 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As I see it, we really have only two ways to go. Either we look for ways to make EVs that match those massive ICEVs in utility, or we concentrate on making great EVs that do other things really, really well.

Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a higher mpge design (and fossil free)

2014-09-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:27 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I track our cars' power usage and our grid-intertie solar power generation, and we generate, on an annual average, seventeen times as much as our two cars use. So we're only using hydrocarbons in so far as

Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a higher mpge design (and fossil free)

2014-09-15 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Actually, in the big picture it is true - EVs consume fossil fuels. Even if all the power to operate them comes from solar, please consider: - energy to design and manufacture the vehicle, - energy and materials to

Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to ahigher mpge design

2014-09-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Yes -- exactly. Trying to find an alternative fuel filling station is a real pain...but the instant that somebody discovers that all they have to do is drag an extension cord from the 110 outlet in the garage to the car and the next morning they've got 20 free miles...well, almost nobody is

Re: [EVDL] co-operation

2014-09-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:15 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: There's a whole mini-industry that serves EV hobbyists with components, batteries, and even a few kits (where model-specific, mostly for now rather old cars and trucks). EVWest has such kits for the aircooled

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.

2014-09-26 Thread Ben Goren via EV
While it sure sounds like a fun project...by far the easiest way to have a solar-powered car is to leave the panels at home, on the roof of the garage or home. Unless I'm sorely mistraken, a significant fraction of the EVs owned by people reading these words are already solar-powered. Not to

Re: [EVDL] co-operation

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:38 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Another problem that's come to the fore in recent years is convincing the car's body computers that they should let the accessories work without the car's orginal engine running. Modern cars are miracles of

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:21 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I would add that for an EV hobbyist, building a car like this would be one heck of an undertaking. Maybe Lawrence can do it. I would love to see him succeed. I know I couldn't. Ditto. The solar challenge is

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV. Help everyone.

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Have you looked at thermoelectric generators? That would be Peltier coolers run in reverse. Not just heat-generating reverse as opposed to cooling (which is a matter of reversing the positive and negative leads), but

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV.

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:39 AM, fred via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: My first velomobile was equipped with a Stokemonkey. Some years ago, I gave some serious thought to getting a Quest velo and electrifying it. This article I just found has an excellent discussion of the practical and mechanical

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV.

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 27, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Michael Ross michael.e.r...@gmail.com wrote: ​A velo implies not carlike speeds.​ Presumably you are OK with that part. If you want more than 20mph on electric only then you have exceeded the federal limits. That was a big part of the problem. From a

Re: [EVDL] Building a true road going solar EV.

2014-09-27 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 27, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: The laws are the same though. Yes and no. For example, not all jurisdictions have three-foot laws...and, even in those that _do,_ the laws might as well not exist. First, though the laws don't say anything about paint

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-09-28 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:34 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Surely an independent Tesla dealer would just sell him the parts. Is there a law that requires that they do so? That's getting into questions of anti-trust and safety and environmental regulations and similar

Re: [EVDL] Solar for my EV

2014-09-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Sep 30, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Finally finished my solar pier enough to take some pictures. Congratulations, and thanks! It's a shame you had to go through so much just to do the right thing...but now that you have, hopefully the trail you've

Re: [EVDL] Chinese inverters legality?

2014-10-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:34 AM, David Kerzel via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: When You connect to the grid then the power company has say in anything that can energies the power lines and they may require only listed devices. ...and, let's not forget: linemen have one of the roughest jobs, and

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-01 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Cor van de Water via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: As it looks now, they are only refusing to enable the car out of concern for their brand image... Ironically enough, they may well be doing their brand image more harm with their current actions than if they were to

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:42 AM, Collin Kidder via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Heh, you realize who deactivated it in the first place, right? I mean, you wouldn't have to activate it were it not for the fact that they turned it off in the first place. Exactly. Nice car you've got there that we've

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Haritech (Gmail) via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Trouble is you didn't own the car when it was disabled. Then the sale was fraudulent, whether intentionally so or otherwise. The buyer thought he was buying a salvageable car, not a pile of scrap metal. But,

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Yes, but again, it depends on what the buyer signed. For example, with software, the licensing agreements usually state that you do not own the software but only have the right to use it which can be terminated under

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: But, the whole point of transferring a title is to officially change ownership. It it mighty hard to get any kind of damages from an original owner unless one can show that there was fraud or misrepresentation. And, in

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repair drive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 2, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Collin Kidder via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: It is very common. People buy cars with a salvage title and fix them. Exactly -- the car basically becomes a kit and / or homemade car...very much like the overwhelming majority of EVs owned by the people reading these

Re: [EVDL] EValert: !Don't buy a salvaged Tesla EV to repairdrive! (video)

2014-10-02 Thread Ben Goren via EV
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Re: [EVDL] afk ...

2014-10-04 Thread Ben Goren via EV
For my own selfish reasons, I hope your recovery is much faster than anticipated! b On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:05 PM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I had queued this message for 10/8 my last day, but it might be better to post it now even though we all expect the best for the

Re: [EVDL] Open source software to control donor ICE's CPUs

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 5, 2014, at 10:39 AM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: I wondered then, why has not some one written generic code to control the factory installed cpus. The embedded systems in cars are varied and lacking in uniformity, and they're difficult to access and there's not

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