Re: [EVDL] Charging Port Locations

[Lee Hart via EV]

> Although the Bolt says no towing, guess I’m always voiding warranties.

That's the spirit, Mark! :-)

Loose the screws, cut the cable.
Take it apart as best you're able.
Void the warranty, hack the code.
Reuse, rewire, rebuild, reload!

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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Ron via EV]

Heh. I used to feel the same way until I started reading the articles 
discussing the safety studies. I continued to resist until it became part of 
the handbook. I still rarely do it in busy lots, because most people aren't 
expecting it, so they get confused (or upset) when they try to drive into a 
spot I'm trying to back into. Neither confusion nor anger has any place in 
driving, so I try to avoid causing them.

On August 8, 2024 1:18:59 p.m. CST, Collin Kidder via EV  
wrote:
>Well, I despise people who back into parking spots. So, there's that. It's
>probably irrational and dumb to feel like that but I'm not alone in feeling
>like people who back into parking spots aren't doing the right thing. So,
>part of it is just public perception. We don't like it so we don't do it.
>But, I think also it's because the front wheels are the steering wheels so
>most people feel more comfortable getting into a spot via forward motion
>where the back end just follows you. Conversely, backing into a spot
>requires one to maneuver backward when the front wheels are steering. It
>can be done and it can be learned but most people hate backing up in
>vehicles. You might argue that you still have to back up to get out but
>then you're backing up into the much larger space where cars aren't parked
>so it seems "easier" that way.
>
>I have a Chevy Bolt and it has the charge port just in front of the
>driver's door. What does it also have that Mr BigShotEngineer Elon doesn't
>want Teslas to have? Rear cross traffic radar. Rear cross traffic radar is
>great. Between that and 4-way cameras I don't feel like backing out of
>spots is any big deal at all.
>
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[EVDL] Charging Port Locations

[Mark Hanson via EV]

Thanks Collin etc,
I like my Bolt left front and my Leaf front.  My Tesla Y in the rear is the 
least favorite (although I’ve never met an electric car I didn’t like).  With 
the Tesla Y, I’m sometimes towing my H20 ski boat or a 5x8 trailer with solar 
panels etc for our volunteer solar club.  Frequently I have to disconnect the 
trailer to get charged up (also reduces range).  I therefore through 
Etrailers.com put a hitch on the Bolt (to pull though ). Although the Bolt says 
no towing, guess I’m always voiding warranties. 
Best regards
Mark
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Well, I despise people who back into parking spots. So, there's that. It's
probably irrational and dumb to feel like that but I'm not alone in feeling
like people who back into parking spots aren't doing the right thing. So,
part of it is just public perception. We don't like it so we don't do it.
But, I think also it's because the front wheels are the steering wheels so
most people feel more comfortable getting into a spot via forward motion
where the back end just follows you. Conversely, backing into a spot
requires one to maneuver backward when the front wheels are steering. It
can be done and it can be learned but most people hate backing up in
vehicles. You might argue that you still have to back up to get out but
then you're backing up into the much larger space where cars aren't parked
so it seems "easier" that way.

I have a Chevy Bolt and it has the charge port just in front of the
driver's door. What does it also have that Mr BigShotEngineer Elon doesn't
want Teslas to have? Rear cross traffic radar. Rear cross traffic radar is
great. Between that and 4-way cameras I don't feel like backing out of
spots is any big deal at all.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 12:39?PM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
> 
> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
> have to think ahead.
> 
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:22?AM j...@k6ccc.org  wrote:
> 
>> You said (in part):
>>> I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I
>> prefer
>>> to back in for most parking lots and at home.
>> 
>> Amen - for all the reasons you cited...
>> About the only tie I don't back into a space is if I can pull through.
>> Get the best of both worlds that way.
>> 
>> 73
>> -
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Collin Kidder via EV]

Well, I despise people who back into parking spots. So, there's that. It's
probably irrational and dumb to feel like that but I'm not alone in feeling
like people who back into parking spots aren't doing the right thing. So,
part of it is just public perception. We don't like it so we don't do it.
But, I think also it's because the front wheels are the steering wheels so
most people feel more comfortable getting into a spot via forward motion
where the back end just follows you. Conversely, backing into a spot
requires one to maneuver backward when the front wheels are steering. It
can be done and it can be learned but most people hate backing up in
vehicles. You might argue that you still have to back up to get out but
then you're backing up into the much larger space where cars aren't parked
so it seems "easier" that way.

I have a Chevy Bolt and it has the charge port just in front of the
driver's door. What does it also have that Mr BigShotEngineer Elon doesn't
want Teslas to have? Rear cross traffic radar. Rear cross traffic radar is
great. Between that and 4-way cameras I don't feel like backing out of
spots is any big deal at all.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 12:39 PM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:

> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
>
> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
> have to think ahead.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:22 AM j...@k6ccc.org  wrote:
>
> > You said (in part):
> > > I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I
> > prefer
> > > to back in for most parking lots and at home.
> >
> > Amen - for all the reasons you cited...
> > About the only tie I don't back into a space is if I can pull through.
> > Get the best of both worlds that way.
> >
> > 73
> > -
> > Jim Walls - K6CCC
> > j...@k6ccc.org
> > 626-482-0927
> >
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Cor van de Water via EV]

That is why it is recommendable that some jurisdictions are starting
to implement *forward* angled parking spaces and requiring you to back
into them.
BTW, the city of Regina would need to change their bylaws to
distinguish between the two types of non-90-deg parking spaces, IF
they would follow this trend.

NOTE that with backup cameras becoming increasingly more common, the
problem of backing out safely is somewhat reduced, but the biggest
advantage of backing in is the fact that while driving up you have the
full view of the traffic situation and any hidden safety issues such
as small children near the adjacent vehicles, so while backing in, you
can still rely on that information to be mostly valid, and add any
updates from actually looking all around your vehicle while occupying
the space.
When driving away, the view through the windshield and side windows is
not obstructed, in contrast to many vehicle's rear windows.
NOTE also here that manufacturers made the rear window artificially
smaller, because market research showed that people in the car felt
safer with a small rear window instead of a larger window. (This is a
fact, not a fairytale, unfortunately). So, by definition driving
forward out of a space is safer.
NOTE that there are locations such as certain parking areas in certain
cities where it is forbidden to back in and you will get a ticket when
doing so (ask me how I know) but that is likely more out of
practicality when some or all of their slots are slanted.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 11:40 AM (-Phil-) via EV  wrote:
>
> Angled restriction makes sense because to back in, you'd need to turn more
> than 90° to back in, and pull back out.
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 11:29 AM Robert Johnston via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > Ironically, the City of Regina bylaws (Specifically, Bylaw 9900, Part 34.2:
> >
> > https://open.regina.ca/dataset/bylaw-no-9900-the-regina-traffic-bylaw-1997/resource/df80b3d3-d9a9-4a71-9bc9-bd792c41cfed/view/378c313e-df76-4859-8c58-b45f80ba95ae
> > )
> > states you are not allowed to back into a parking stall if it is at any
> > other angle less than 90 degrees. So you have to drive into any angled or
> > parallel parking space.
> >
> > On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 12:20, Ron via EV  wrote:
> >
> > > The Saskatchewan Driver's Handbook has recommended backing into spots for
> > > many years now, but I see very few people actually doing it. I know that
> > > some of it is inertia, but I suspect from conversations that it's not
> > often
> > > taught in Driver Ed (mostly a school program) or tested during road
> > tests.
> > >
> > > Something that might contribute to the problem is that block heaters are
> > > typically plugged in from the front and are also typically plugged in
> > with
> > > short cords that are easier to handle in cold weather.
> > >
> > > On August 8, 2024 10:43:18 a.m. CST, Peri Hartman via EV <
> > > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> > > >Well, I think the answer is actually pretty simple. It's much easier to
> > > head into a tight parking spot than to back in. And, usually, not too
> > > difficult to back out. None the less, from a safety point of view, the
> > > opposite is true.
> > > >Peri
> > > >
> > > ><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-- Original Message --
> > > >From: "(-Phil-) via EV" 
> > > >To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> > > >Cc: "(-Phil-)" 
> > > >Sent: 08-Aug-24 09:38:06
> > > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations
> > > >
> > > >> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it
> > because
> > > >> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an
> > Engineer
> > > and
> > > >> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
> > > >>
> > > >> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so
> > > you
> > > >> have to think ahead.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >  snip 
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[(-Phil-) via EV]

Angled restriction makes sense because to back in, you'd need to turn more
than 90° to back in, and pull back out.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 11:29 AM Robert Johnston via EV 
wrote:

> Ironically, the City of Regina bylaws (Specifically, Bylaw 9900, Part 34.2:
>
> https://open.regina.ca/dataset/bylaw-no-9900-the-regina-traffic-bylaw-1997/resource/df80b3d3-d9a9-4a71-9bc9-bd792c41cfed/view/378c313e-df76-4859-8c58-b45f80ba95ae
> )
> states you are not allowed to back into a parking stall if it is at any
> other angle less than 90 degrees. So you have to drive into any angled or
> parallel parking space.
>
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 12:20, Ron via EV  wrote:
>
> > The Saskatchewan Driver's Handbook has recommended backing into spots for
> > many years now, but I see very few people actually doing it. I know that
> > some of it is inertia, but I suspect from conversations that it's not
> often
> > taught in Driver Ed (mostly a school program) or tested during road
> tests.
> >
> > Something that might contribute to the problem is that block heaters are
> > typically plugged in from the front and are also typically plugged in
> with
> > short cords that are easier to handle in cold weather.
> >
> > On August 8, 2024 10:43:18 a.m. CST, Peri Hartman via EV <
> > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> > >Well, I think the answer is actually pretty simple. It's much easier to
> > head into a tight parking spot than to back in. And, usually, not too
> > difficult to back out. None the less, from a safety point of view, the
> > opposite is true.
> > >Peri
> > >
> > ><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> > >
> > >
> > >-- Original Message --
> > >From: "(-Phil-) via EV" 
> > >To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> > >Cc: "(-Phil-)" 
> > >Sent: 08-Aug-24 09:38:06
> > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations
> > >
> > >> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it
> because
> > >> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an
> Engineer
> > and
> > >> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
> > >>
> > >> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so
> > you
> > >> have to think ahead.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >  snip 
> > --
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Robert Johnston via EV]

Ironically, the City of Regina bylaws (Specifically, Bylaw 9900, Part 34.2:
https://open.regina.ca/dataset/bylaw-no-9900-the-regina-traffic-bylaw-1997/resource/df80b3d3-d9a9-4a71-9bc9-bd792c41cfed/view/378c313e-df76-4859-8c58-b45f80ba95ae)
states you are not allowed to back into a parking stall if it is at any
other angle less than 90 degrees. So you have to drive into any angled or
parallel parking space.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 12:20, Ron via EV  wrote:

> The Saskatchewan Driver's Handbook has recommended backing into spots for
> many years now, but I see very few people actually doing it. I know that
> some of it is inertia, but I suspect from conversations that it's not often
> taught in Driver Ed (mostly a school program) or tested during road tests.
>
> Something that might contribute to the problem is that block heaters are
> typically plugged in from the front and are also typically plugged in with
> short cords that are easier to handle in cold weather.
>
> On August 8, 2024 10:43:18 a.m. CST, Peri Hartman via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> >Well, I think the answer is actually pretty simple. It's much easier to
> head into a tight parking spot than to back in. And, usually, not too
> difficult to back out. None the less, from a safety point of view, the
> opposite is true.
> >Peri
> >
> ><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
> >
> >
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: "(-Phil-) via EV" 
> >To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
> >Cc: "(-Phil-)" 
> >Sent: 08-Aug-24 09:38:06
> >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations
> >
> >> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
> >> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer
> and
> >> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
> >>
> >> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so
> you
> >> have to think ahead.
> >>
> >>
>
>  snip 
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Ron via EV]

The Saskatchewan Driver's Handbook has recommended backing into spots for many 
years now, but I see very few people actually doing it. I know that some of it 
is inertia, but I suspect from conversations that it's not often taught in 
Driver Ed (mostly a school program) or tested during road tests.

Something that might contribute to the problem is that block heaters are 
typically plugged in from the front and are also typically plugged in with 
short cords that are easier to handle in cold weather.

On August 8, 2024 10:43:18 a.m. CST, Peri Hartman via EV  
wrote:
>Well, I think the answer is actually pretty simple. It's much easier to head 
>into a tight parking spot than to back in. And, usually, not too difficult to 
>back out. None the less, from a safety point of view, the opposite is true.
>Peri
>
><< Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "(-Phil-) via EV" 
>To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
>Cc: "(-Phil-)" 
>Sent: 08-Aug-24 09:38:06
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations
>
>> What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
>> people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
>> I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)
>> 
>> To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
>> have to think ahead.
>> 
>>

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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Jay Summet via EV]

I suspect that most people are more comfortable maneuvering their car 
between two other cars (with only 6-20" on each side) nose in.


When you back out of a parking space, there is a LOT of room behind your 
car, without things on either side (usually).


Jay

On 8/8/24 12:38, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:

What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)

To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
have to think ahead.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:22 AM j...@k6ccc.org  wrote:


You said (in part):

I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I

prefer

to back in for most parking lots and at home.


Amen - for all the reasons you cited...
About the only tie I don't back into a space is if I can pull through.
Get the best of both worlds that way.

73
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j...@k6ccc.org
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[(-Phil-) via EV]

I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I prefer
to back in for most parking lots and at home.   My reasoning is that in a
busy parking lot it's safer to back in as you have much better visibility
when it comes time to leave to avoid other traffic and especially
pedestrians.  Backing out into potential cross-traffic and people walking
is much harder to see if you partk head-in.  Versus backing in, where there
is not going to be cross-traffic in the space, or (rarely) people.   The
bonus is it's also much faster to leave when you are ready to.  (Say your
house is on fire =)

Since I also do this at home, it's convenient for Tesla charging, I have to
walk right past my charging cable to get into the car, and the EVSE can be
mounted on the back wall of the garage with a short cord and still easily
serve 2 EVs without the worry of running over the cable.

I think Tesla's location on the left-rear drivers side is good for this
reason.   I've had other EVs in various locations, and it means public DCFC
have to have much longer and thus more expensive cables to accommodate
locations such as by the driver door on the side fender.   We originally
tried to install the CCS inlet right behind the driver's door on our vans
where the OEM fuel door was already located, and this caused many CCS
stations to be unusable without parking gymnastics or blocking multiple
spaces, so we ended up choosing the front for production even though its a
much harder to implement location which costs a lot more.

-Phil

On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 2:28 PM Tom Keenan via EV  wrote:

> The charging port on my Kona is front and just about center in the
> ‘grille’. Works well for almost all public charging locations, especially
> those older sites that have particularly short cords.
>
> Occasionally the front charging port is an issue with public EVSE that is
> installed at the side between two parking spaces. Those require that I
> either park somewhat sideways in the space, or have the back end of the
> Kona stick out beyond the parking space in order for the cord to reach.
> Tom
>
> > On Aug 7, 2024, at 1:15 PM, EV List Lackey via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > On 7 Aug 2024 at 19:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> >
> >> So, make sure you have a long enough charging cable :)
> >
> > Good advice, of course ...
> >
> > I don't know what it's like using fast charging in the US, but here, the
> > CCS2 DC fast charging points all have permanently attached cables.  So
> the
> > cable length is whatever the manufacturer decided on.
> >
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Peri Hartman via EV]

Well, I think the answer is actually pretty simple. It's much easier to 
head into a tight parking spot than to back in. And, usually, not too 
difficult to back out. None the less, from a safety point of view, the 
opposite is true.

Peri

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Sent: 08-Aug-24 09:38:06
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations


What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)

To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
have to think ahead.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:22 AM j...@k6ccc.org  wrote:


 You said (in part):
 > I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I
 prefer
 > to back in for most parking lots and at home.

 Amen - for all the reasons you cited...
 About the only tie I don't back into a space is if I can pull through.
 Get the best of both worlds that way.

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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[(-Phil-) via EV]

What I don't understand is WHY this way is the minority?   Is it because
people just don't think that far ahead?   Is it because I'm an Engineer and
I have EBS? (Engineer Brain Syndrome)

To me, Parking is just a subsystem of driving, with a "long tail", so you
have to think ahead.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2024 at 9:22 AM j...@k6ccc.org  wrote:

> You said (in part):
> > I know I'm going to be in the minority here, except for Peri, but I
> prefer
> > to back in for most parking lots and at home.
>
> Amen - for all the reasons you cited...
> About the only tie I don't back into a space is if I can pull through.
> Get the best of both worlds that way.
>
> 73
> -
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> j...@k6ccc.org
> 626-482-0927
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Tom Keenan via EV]

The charging port on my Kona is front and just about center in the ‘grille’. 
Works well for almost all public charging locations, especially those older 
sites that have particularly short cords.

Occasionally the front charging port is an issue with public EVSE that is 
installed at the side between two parking spaces. Those require that I either 
park somewhat sideways in the space, or have the back end of the Kona stick out 
beyond the parking space in order for the cord to reach. 
Tom

> On Aug 7, 2024, at 1:15 PM, EV List Lackey via EV  wrote:
> 
> On 7 Aug 2024 at 19:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> 
>> So, make sure you have a long enough charging cable :)
> 
> Good advice, of course ...
> 
> I don't know what it's like using fast charging in the US, but here, the
> CCS2 DC fast charging points all have permanently attached cables.  So the
> cable length is whatever the manufacturer decided on.
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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Darryl McMahon via EV]

I have driven a few EVs over the years.  Homebuilts, conversions, 
C-Cars, EVA Metro, Leaf, etc.


But my favourite location for the charging port is still beside the 
driver's door.  Like my son's Ford Focus EV.


Yes, most modern EVs won't let you drive away with the vehicle plugged 
in.  However, that still means in a too-early-in-the-morning bleary-eyed 
haze, I can still get into the car without unplugging the charging cord 
before the car starts beeping at me, and I have to get out again to 
unplug it.


On my Green14 conversion, I consciously put the charging port right 
behind the driver door such that it was possible, but inconvenient to 
open the driver door with the cord plugged in.


Conversely, I think the C-Cars putting the connection behind the 
passenger door where it's invisible to the driver was the worst choice I 
have encountered.


Not as aerodynamic perhaps as current preferred placements, and for 
heavier cables, I can see where front or rear as close to the cable 
parked position would be preferred.


Darryl



Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 21:04:43 +0200
From: "EV List Lackey" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] Charging port locations
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I've noticed that many EVs have their charging ports in the rear.  They're
often roughly where the fuel filler would be on an ICEV.

Why?

Our Zoe has its charging port in the middle of the front, where a grille
would be on an ICEV.  AFAIK, the Nissan Leaf still uses the same location,
center front.  Same with the Dacia Spring.

IMO, this works pretty well for most charging situations.

At public charging in parking lots, you can pull right up to the charging
point.  It's seldom a stretch to reach from the EVSE to the port.  With on-
street charging points, it's not much more distance.

But many recent EVs have their charging ports at the rear.

The Peugeot E208 and E2008 are two I'm familiar with, charging from left
rear, where the fuel filler would be on their ICEV kin.

Every Tesla I've seen charging also feeds from the left rear.

The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Fiat 500E charge at the right rear.

With a port at the side-rear, drivers pretty much have to back up to parking
lot charging points.  In some cases, the connector sticks out so that people
walking next to the car can bump into it, potentially damaging it.

You also get on-street charging scenes like this:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/6/24214581/electric-vehicle-charging-
reliability-study-chargehelp

shortcut https://cntp.me/ZY0A9tc

Other than being sort of similar to the ICEV fuel filler's location, what
kind of sense does it make to put the charging port in the side at the rear?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey




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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[EV List Lackey via EV]

On 7 Aug 2024 at 19:37, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

> So, make sure you have a long enough charging cable :)

Good advice, of course ...

I don't know what it's like using fast charging in the US, but here, the 
CCS2 DC fast charging points all have permanently attached cables.  So the 
cable length is whatever the manufacturer decided on.

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Re: [EVDL] Charging port locations

[Peri Hartman via EV]

When you pull up to public charging, in-front makes sense. But if you're 
parking at home in a garage, rear might make more sense. Or, if you're 
like me, and usually back into parking places or my driveway, rear makes 
more sense. So, make sure you have a long enough charging cable :)

Peri

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From: "EV List Lackey via EV" 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Cc: "EV List Lackey" 
Sent: 07-Aug-24 12:04:43
Subject: [EVDL] Charging port locations


I've noticed that many EVs have their charging ports in the rear.  They're
often roughly where the fuel filler would be on an ICEV.

Why?

Our Zoe has its charging port in the middle of the front, where a grille
would be on an ICEV.  AFAIK, the Nissan Leaf still uses the same location,
center front.  Same with the Dacia Spring.

IMO, this works pretty well for most charging situations.

At public charging in parking lots, you can pull right up to the charging
point.  It's seldom a stretch to reach from the EVSE to the port.  With on-
street charging points, it's not much more distance.

But many recent EVs have their charging ports at the rear.

The Peugeot E208 and E2008 are two I'm familiar with, charging from left
rear, where the fuel filler would be on their ICEV kin.

Every Tesla I've seen charging also feeds from the left rear.

The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Fiat 500E charge at the right rear.

With a port at the side-rear, drivers pretty much have to back up to parking
lot charging points.  In some cases, the connector sticks out so that people
walking next to the car can bump into it, potentially damaging it.

You also get on-street charging scenes like this:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/6/24214581/electric-vehicle-charging-
reliability-study-chargehelp

shortcut https://cntp.me/ZY0A9tc

Other than being sort of similar to the ICEV fuel filler's location, what
kind of sense does it make to put the charging port in the side at the rear?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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[EVDL] Charging port locations

[EV List Lackey via EV]

I've noticed that many EVs have their charging ports in the rear.  They're 
often roughly where the fuel filler would be on an ICEV.  

Why?

Our Zoe has its charging port in the middle of the front, where a grille 
would be on an ICEV.  AFAIK, the Nissan Leaf still uses the same location, 
center front.  Same with the Dacia Spring.

IMO, this works pretty well for most charging situations.  

At public charging in parking lots, you can pull right up to the charging 
point.  It's seldom a stretch to reach from the EVSE to the port.  With on-
street charging points, it's not much more distance.

But many recent EVs have their charging ports at the rear.  

The Peugeot E208 and E2008 are two I'm familiar with, charging from left 
rear, where the fuel filler would be on their ICEV kin.

Every Tesla I've seen charging also feeds from the left rear.

The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Fiat 500E charge at the right rear.

With a port at the side-rear, drivers pretty much have to back up to parking 
lot charging points.  In some cases, the connector sticks out so that people 
walking next to the car can bump into it, potentially damaging it.

You also get on-street charging scenes like this:

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/6/24214581/electric-vehicle-charging-
reliability-study-chargehelp

shortcut https://cntp.me/ZY0A9tc

Other than being sort of similar to the ICEV fuel filler's location, what 
kind of sense does it make to put the charging port in the side at the rear?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my 
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