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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers

2014-08-21 Thread Bill Dube via EV

This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an
all too common myth.

First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main
contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically
cut off by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the
traction battery itself.

Second, electricity wants to flow from one terminal of the battery to
the other terminal. It is an isolated battery, rather than a grounded
grid system. How would a fireman insert himself into such an isolated
circuit? A grid based grounded system its pretty easy to insert
yourself, but how do you get current to flow through _you_ by simply
cutting into an EV? The blade might short two wires of opposite
polarity, but current would flow though the blade only, not the fireman.

Bill D.

On 8/20/2014 1:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

% Simple dealer provided stickers will do (like for HOV lane access). The
law does not apply to fcvs: since when do fcvs not have high-voltages? ...
This ignorantly badly written, and poorly implemented 'separate
not-equal' law incorrectly labels EVs hybrids as extraordinarily
dangerous, as if volatile chemical-fuel is not, plus puts the burden of
responder-safety on the driver at an additional cost. This issue is a
vehicle-manufacturer responsibility: to each have common locations for
high-voltage wiring, like the way fuel-tanks and fuel lines are commonly
located on ice %

http://www.abc6.com/story/26316308/new-license-plate-may-help-save-lives
New license plate may help save lives
Aug 19, 2014 By Alana Cerrone

A new license plate may help protect first responders from accidentally
electrocuting themselves during accident rescues involving electric
vehicles.

The bill signed into law by Gov. Lincoln Chafee last month requires electric
vehicle owners to have a special license plate so that first responders,
emergency crews, and even two truck drivers know it is electric.

Knowing if a vehicle is electric will help crews decide which instrument is
appropriate to use to rescue people trapped inside.

“It is not very well-known that rescue workers can get electrocuted from
using jaws of life on an electric vehicle, but when that information came to
light I wanted us to be proactive about the issue,” said Senator Edward
O'Neill, who sponsored the law.

The law applies to electric and also hybrid vehicle owners.
[© WLNE-TV 2014]
...
http://www.valleybreeze.com/2014-08-06/woonsocket-north-smithfield/state-creates-new-plates-electric-vehicles#.U-eA4mOTKHM
State creates new plates for electric vehicles
8/6/2014
...
http://insideevs.com/rhode-island-issues-special-license-plates-electric-vehicles-protect-first-responders/
... create special license plates for electric vehicles? ...

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/28152-Are-EV-License-Plates-Dangerous-to-Occupants-of-a-Tesla
Thread: Are EV License Plates Dangerous to Occupants of a Tesla
2014-03-01
...
http://webserver.rilin.state.ri.us/BillText/BillText14/SenateText14/S2120A.pdf
2014-S 2120 SUBSTITUTE A ...
'a registration plate for motor vehicles powered in whole or in part by a
storage battery.'
...
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/pressrelease/_layouts/RIL.PressRelease.ListStructure/Forms/DisplayForm.aspx?List=c8baae31-3c10-431c-8dcd-9dbbe21ce3e9ID=10091
7/31/2014 Electric vehicle license plates will protect first responders,
rescue service workers
STATE HOUSE ... The special registration plate will apply to hybrids in
addition to electric vehicles. Senators Marc A. Cote (D-Dist. 24,
Woonsocket, North Smithfield), Paul W. Fogarty (D-Dist. 23, Glocester,
Burrillville, North Smithfield), Nicholas D. Kettle (R-Dist. 21, Coventry,
Foster, Scituate, West Greenwich) and James E. Doyle II (D-Dist. 8,
Pawtucket) cosponsored the legislation.
For more information, contact:
Brenna McCabe, Publicist
State House Room 20
Providence, RI 02903
(401) 222-2457

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http://www.electricautosport.com/2014/08/venturi-realise-600-kmh-electric-speed-record/
Venturi to realize 600+ km/h electric speed record

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2007153237
Julie Wrigley’s sleek, chewing-gum red Tesla-S EV

http://www.ibtimes.com/tesla-norway-436-model-s-sedans-are-being-delivered-monthly-teslas-largest-overseas-market-1658946
436 Tesla-S Delivered Monthly In Norway it’s Largest Overseas Market

http://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/life/2014/08/14/missoula-family-seeks-record-longest-bike-ride/14087677/
Missoula family seeks record for longest Electric bicycle ride

http://news.investors.com/081214-712980-tesla-adds-station-in-france.htm
Tesla adds 50th Euro Supercharger EVSE @Narbonne, France
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers

2014-08-21 Thread George Tyler via EV

Funny, I phoned the council not long ago to ask them to do something about 
speeding cars in the rural dead end street past my house. They said they would 
only do it if someone was killed or injured. I know of other similar events 
where people were killed before they changed anything. It's all based on 
statistics. 
How many of the general population have been electrocuted by electric 
cars? 

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV  hybrid drivers

This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an all too 
common myth.

First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main 
contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically cut off 
by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the traction battery 
itself.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers

2014-08-21 Thread Zeke Yewdall via EV

George,

This seems typical of what is required to make major changes to highway
intersections, example... the requisite number of deaths. And sometimes,
it's not just one... There was a wye intersection between two highways
near my house growing up that had to have a log truck take out a car full
of kids, after several other smaller fatal wrecks, before they changed it
to a T with a stop sign for one direction.

I have not heard any instances yet of an emergency responder being
electrocuted by a hybrid or an EV. I know the local fire departments here
have done training specifically on Prius's a few years ago when they were
getting popular. There was a chopped apart, set on fire, prius in the lot
in front of one of the training facilities for a while, sparking rumors
from people who drove by and didn't know why it was there that Prius's
explode while parked, though.

Similarly, we tried a few years ago to get a solar license through the
state department of regulatory agencies... since the solar industry was
starting to boom and we were concerned about quality of the installation by
untrained people. Their answer was that there hadn't been any serious
complaint about quality yet, and no one had been killed, so there was no
need for a license. Well... there still haven't been any serious injuries
or deaths that I know about, but quality is definitely been a sore point in
this state, partially because you do not need any license (other than a
state licensed electrician to sign off on it, but that only covers about
25% of the system).

Zeke

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:35 AM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

Funny, I phoned the council not long ago to ask them to do something about
speeding cars in the rural dead end street past my house. They said they
would only do it if someone was killed or injured. I know of other similar
events where people were killed before they changed anything. It's all
based on statistics.
How many of the general population have been electrocuted by
electric cars?

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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid
drivers

This supposed electrocution hazard posed by electric vehicles is an all
too common myth.

First off, commercial EVs have an inertia switch which cuts the main
contractors at the pack. You are in a wreck, the power is automatically cut
off by the inertia switch. The only component with HV is the traction
battery itself.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Vehicle-apartheid! RI law punishes EV hybrid drivers

2014-08-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV

Oddly, the link to the bill referred to includes none of the language being
discussed in some of the articles.

The language only authorizes the state motor vehicles folks to makes
regulations for special plates. It doesn't even requires them to do so.

Arguably it could apply to at least some FCEVs, as some are hybrids.

For example, yesterday I saw a truck that was a battery dominant FCEV hybrid.

But I agree with your concerns about where the burden seems to be placed, at
least according to the articles.(the bill language you linked doesn't do that -
it's left to their DMV to decide).

I wonder why they don't just use stickers as is done for CNG and H2 fueled
vehicles.

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On Aug 20, 2014, at 12:21 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: