Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window toprove (video)

2014-08-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Maybe the same idea in your garage as used on trains and bumper cars:
Have a metal plate on the floor that is at zero potential (Neutral leg),
which can be contacted from underneath the car and an out-of-reach metal
plate overhead that carries the phase potential, so all the car needs to
do to charge is to raise/lower a wire and contact the plates? Make the
plates appropriately large that any way (forward/backward) or position
in the garage will still allow contacting the plates.
Avoids the issues of positioning and efficiency of wireless charging.
I understand that one electric bus uses an overhead contact to
fast-charge, but that is an outdoor applicatoin road-side, so both wires
are connected using an oversized overhead contact.

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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toprove (video)

On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 expecting the car to plug itself into a wall outlet / cable is asking
a
 bit much.
 
 Actually If I had the time (after I retire maybe) I can easily imagin
a
 robot arm on the garage wall that can reach out, find and connect to
some
 contacts mounted somehow on the front license plate area.

That's a lot of moving parts to break, especially considering how many
people have trouble not running over things in the garage already. Plus
the hazard of people or pets or other things getting caught up in the
mechanism.

Still, what's important for autonomous vehicles is some form of
autonomous charge connection, whatever that form might take. If a
mechanical coupling works, fantastic.

For personal EVs, it's not an issue; it's really not that big a deal to
grab the charger off the wall and stick it in the car. But, once we get
into the realm of autonomous vehicles, and especially any sort of
application in which the general public is going to be operating the
vehicles, the car needs to be able to charge itself as well as it can
drive and park itself.

A pseudo-taxi that could drive itself to a charging station and then
drive away when its battery is full would make lots of sense. The same
pseudo-taxi that needed an human to stand around waiting for the
pseudo-taxi to arrive to connect the charger, and then be there to
disconnect the charger when the pseudo-taxi is charged...that's gonna be
a non-starter.

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window toprove (video)

2014-08-06 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Similar to what some parking lot attendants do all day in San Francisco:
play a game of sliding puzzle with 1 open slot...

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks driver climbs out of window
toprove (video)

On Aug 6, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 The other problem with cordless charging - whether robot arm or
induction - is that it requires a certain orientation of the vehicle. In
my case, I back into my driveway because it's too difficult to see when
backing out into traffic.  So I either would need a charge connection on
the back of the car or would need one that I can drive over, somehow.
Or one on each side...

I don't see automated charging being anything other than a luxury item
for personal EVs until they get dirt cheap. But I *do* see them being
indispensable for autonomous vehicle applications.

They'd even make sense for certain fleet applications if the cars only
park themselves and do no other autonomous driving. You could design a
parking lot / charging station with cars packed in with only an inch of
clearance on all four sides from neighboring cars. The car pulls itself
out, the driver gets in and drives away; at the end of the day, the
driver gets out of the car and walks away as the car parks itself into a
space impossible for the doors to even open.

That opens up a *lot* of square footage in what could potentially be an
area with expensive real estate rates.

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