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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a
higher mpge design
(Um, Bruce, I don't want to appear rude, here, but singling out one section
of the population on a racial basis for criticism
On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I predict the truck owner will notice the PIH. The ICE will be less potent
to compensate for the extra cost of the PI part.
There's certainly precedence for a rapid fleet turnover - all were gasoline,
then there was a
Data point: If Subaru put a Volt-ish drivetrain in the Outback, there would
be one in my driveway.
Brett (waiting)
On Sep 15, 2014 7:48 AM, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:29 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
As I see it, we really have
I predict the truck owner will notice the PIH. The ICE will be less potent
to compensate for the extra cost of the PI part.
Should be easy to sling an AC motor under a truck leaving the ICE in
place. As discussed here it is very doable. There are other nice things
about a truck - lots of room
On 14 Sep 2014 at 12:10, Martin WINLOW via EV wrote:
singling out one section of
the population on a racial basis for criticism - certainly in this context -
is at best rather non-PC and at worst, a bit, well, ... offensive...?
Sorry to say, I have to agree that some folks might take offense
As the driver of a large puffy vehicle and a person living
in the USA I can tell you that we own and operate these vehicles
because they represent the best utility value for many.
Partly because they are not paying for the added environmental damage...
but pushing it off on the rest of us.
We also own a small sedan that consistently gets over 42 mpg. Life is often
about balance. I surely don't feel like I'm pushing anything off on you.nbsp;
If one takes your logic to its ultimate conclusion, then no one should be
driving at ALL. Even an EV derives it's power from fossil sources
Vehicles converting buyers to a
higher mpge design
As the driver of a large puffy vehicle and a person living
in the USA I can tell you that we own and operate these vehicles
because they represent the best utility value for many.
Partly because they are not paying for the added environmental
On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:29 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
As I see it, we really have only two ways to go. Either we look for ways to
make EVs that match those massive ICEVs in utility, or we concentrate on
making great EVs that do other things really, really well.
On 15 Sep 2014 at 9:16, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
Partly because they are not paying for the added environmental damage...
but pushing it off on the rest of us.
I agree with this point.
(TL;DR : skip to the last 4 paragraphs.)
In Europe, things that increase public costs are more often
I track our cars' power usage and our grid-intertie solar power generation, and
we generate, on an annual average, seventeen times as much as our two cars use.
So we're only using hydrocarbons in so far as everything's fungible, and
thirty-four other cars are using our solar power.
To: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu; Electric Vehicle Discussion
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Sent: 15-Sep-14 8:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a
higher mpge design (and fossil free)
I track our cars' power usage and our grid-intertie solar power
generation
On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:27 AM, Bill Woodcock via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
I track our cars' power usage and our grid-intertie solar power generation,
and we generate, on an annual average, seventeen times as much as our two
cars use. So we're only using hydrocarbons in so far as
On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Actually, in the big picture it is true - EVs consume fossil fuels. Even if
all the power to operate them comes from solar, please consider:
- energy to design and manufacture the vehicle,
- energy and materials to
Studies have shown that at least HALF of all people who purchase an EV
either have solar or buy their electricity from 100% clean renewable
providers such as solar or wind.
As sales move from early adopters to the more general population,
... unless PV sales start outstripping auto sales,
.
Bob
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From: Bill Woodcock via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
To: Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu; Electric Vehicle Discussion
List ev@lists.evdl.org
Sent: 15-Sep-14 8:27:15 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electrifying Large Vehicles converting buyers to a
higher mpge design (and fossil
Ben;s comments (below) are along the lines I was attempting to convey. That
the full-size (puffy) truck or suv vehicle its self is what the buyer wants,
and that the pih model would be close to the same size and passenger seating
(only trimming down the length and width to fit and maneuver into
On 15 Sep 2014 at 9:34, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
the full-size (puffy) truck or suv vehicle its self is what the buyer
wants, and that the pih model would be close to the same size and
passenger seating ...
Now here is where my cynical side rebuts my optimistic side. :-\
I wonder if this
(Um, Bruce, I don't want to appear rude, here, but singling out one section of
the population on a racial basis for criticism - certainly in this context - is
at best rather non-PC and at worst, a bit, well, ... offensive...? I'm trying
to be delicate, here! I think I know you well enough to
Also, US child-safety laws require add-in protective seats that don't really
fit in smaller cars, and are unworkable in two-door cars. So, even in a
full-size car or small ute, you're limited to two kids and two adults, and not
much baggage, which isn't always sufficient.
Thus the prevalence
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:
I think with the relatively recent CAFE (fuel economy) rules adopted by
the EPA we will see a gradual change. I'm hoping that change will
accelerate if Tesla and others can produce a 200+ mile range SUV or light
On Sep 14, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
Any others?
NetGain has a PIH kit with a pair of inline smallish motors that replace much
of the driveshaft and act as a range extender. I don't think they're readily
available except as fleet conversions, but give
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Martin,
I think you have taken too many sensitivity pills, and taking offense to
something that is not there.
Enhance your calm, and be
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