Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, I tried contacting Nissan. Their general feedback form wouldn't 
work because it required selecting a dealer, but there aren't any 
dealers in Seattle - it wouldn't let me select a dealer from an adjacent 
area. That's pretty stupid software !


So, I found another form where you can inquire directly to a dealer. I 
chose one and asked about the e-nv200. No response from the dealer. But 
I got a response from HQ. Hope flared !!! I replied to him asking when 
the e-nv200 would be available explaining that it would be the perfect 
vehicle for my needs. No response. I send a 2nd email. No response.


I guess NISSAN DOESN'T REALLY CARE about customers unless one is in the 
process of buying something now.


Peri

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Willie via EV wrote:

On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote:


drag and increased energy consumption (and reduced range). Simply
raising a
vehicle increases frontal area by virtue of the tires being more exposed.


I believe the under car air speed is also increased.  Or, maybe
increased turbulence.  Anyway, I think it is worse than just exposing
more tire.


I think that is true. Keeping the car low is a way to reduce the amount of air 
and turbulence underneath. Of course, a smooth bottom would help; but that 
costs too much.

Big fat tires with lots of tread have lots of wind resistance. And, the tops of 
the tires are moving forward at *double* the speed of the car!

Paul MacReady (of Aerovironment) talked a lot about auto aerodynamics when he 
was designing the Impact (aka GM EV1). Things I recall:

- Aero testing is in wind tunnels, with car and tires not moving.
- The roughness of the bottom of the car is usually ignored.
- Spinning tires have much more drag than stationary ones.
- Most cars are more aerodynamic in reverse.

So, he designed the EV1 with a smooth bottom, with wheel wells optimized as "ducts" to 
minimize turbulence, and a shape that actually *was* aerodynamic (instead of what some stylist 
thinks will "look" aerodynamic).

If you need more ground clearance sometimes, maybe adjustable air bags are an 
answer?
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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-18 Thread Lee Hart via EV

Willie via EV wrote:

On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote:


drag and increased energy consumption (and reduced range). Simply
raising a
vehicle increases frontal area by virtue of the tires being more exposed.


I believe the under car air speed is also increased.  Or, maybe
increased turbulence.  Anyway, I think it is worse than just exposing
more tire.


I think that is true. Keeping the car low is a way to reduce the amount 
of air and turbulence underneath. Of course, a smooth bottom would help; 
but that costs too much.


Big fat tires with lots of tread have lots of wind resistance. And, the 
tops of the tires are moving forward at *double* the speed of the car!


Paul MacReady (of Aerovironment) talked a lot about auto aerodynamics 
when he was designing the Impact (aka GM EV1). Things I recall:


- Aero testing is in wind tunnels, with car and tires not moving.
- The roughness of the bottom of the car is usually ignored.
- Spinning tires have much more drag than stationary ones.
- Most cars are more aerodynamic in reverse.

So, he designed the EV1 with a smooth bottom, with wheel wells optimized 
as "ducts" to minimize turbulence, and a shape that actually *was* 
aerodynamic (instead of what some stylist thinks will "look" aerodynamic).


If you need more ground clearance sometimes, maybe adjustable air bags 
are an answer?

--
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Geniuses remove it. -- Alan Perlis, "Epigrams on Programming"
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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-18 Thread Willie via EV




On 5/18/19 12:38 PM, Haudy Kazemi via EV wrote:


drag and increased energy consumption (and reduced range). Simply raising a
vehicle increases frontal area by virtue of the tires being more exposed.


I believe the under car air speed is also increased.  Or, maybe 
increased turbulence.  Anyway, I think it is worse than just exposing 
more tire.



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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-18 Thread Haudy Kazemi via EV
>have enough ground clearance for forest service roads (can the Bolt
suspension be modified without compromising range?)

I'd expect any vehicle modification that increases the frontal area of a
vehicle, while holding all other factors constant, to result in increased
drag and increased energy consumption (and reduced range). Simply raising a
vehicle increases frontal area by virtue of the tires being more exposed.
The efficiency differences are magnified at higher speeds. At low speeds it
may be hard to notice a difference.



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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Do you have a suggestion on how to contact them? I found their customer 
support form, but it won't submit because there isn't a nissan dealer in 
Seattle. Also it's limited to 300 chars which doesn't allow saying much.

Peri

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Sent: 18-May-19 7:34:06 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 
in North America.


This is pretty close to something I would buy. I see it's available for 
37100 euro in france, where it probably could be purchased and brought 
to the US (I know this once was possible).


https://www.nissan.fr/vehicules/neufs/env200-evalia.html

Some people will balk at this, but my limiting factor is I need more 
range - about 250 miles. I would like to own just one vehicle that I 
can take hiking, skiing, and haul building materials, etc. These are 
activities where it is not practical to rent a vehicle. Otherwise I 
would need two vehicles, one for hauling things locally and one for 
longer distances. But even with two vehicles, there isn't currently 
anything affordable that will go 250 miles on a charge and have enough 
ground clearance for forest service roads (can the Bolt suspension be 
modified without compromising range?). The e-nv200 would work really 
well, I think.


I'll let them know.

Peri

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Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" 
Sent: 17-May-19 1:40:21 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in 
North America.



800.647.7261 option 7.  This is where you can call Monday through Friday to 
lodge any kind of complaint.  While the e-NV200 is on the website and in Europe 
it is not for N. America.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/future-concept/e-nv200-zero-emissions-small-van.html
 Here it is but not available. Such a shame.
This is the link where you can see the concept. If you complain formally to 
Nissan maybe they will bring this useful vehicle to our shores.  Lawrence Rhodes




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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
This is pretty close to something I would buy. I see it's available for 
37100 euro in france, where it probably could be purchased and brought 
to the US (I know this once was possible).


https://www.nissan.fr/vehicules/neufs/env200-evalia.html

Some people will balk at this, but my limiting factor is I need more 
range - about 250 miles. I would like to own just one vehicle that I can 
take hiking, skiing, and haul building materials, etc. These are 
activities where it is not practical to rent a vehicle. Otherwise I 
would need two vehicles, one for hauling things locally and one for 
longer distances. But even with two vehicles, there isn't currently 
anything affordable that will go 250 miles on a charge and have enough 
ground clearance for forest service roads (can the Bolt suspension be 
modified without compromising range?). The e-nv200 would work really 
well, I think.


I'll let them know.

Peri

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Sent: 17-May-19 1:40:21 PM
Subject: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in 
North America.



800.647.7261 option 7.  This is where you can call Monday through Friday to 
lodge any kind of complaint.  While the e-NV200 is on the website and in Europe 
it is not for N. America.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/future-concept/e-nv200-zero-emissions-small-van.html
 Here it is but not available. Such a shame.
This is the link where you can see the concept. If you complain formally to 
Nissan maybe they will bring this useful vehicle to our shores.  Lawrence Rhodes




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Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Your link was on the Nissan USA site, and as a concept car. What makes you 
think that nothing like this will be available in the USA?

I saw nothing in the text to indicate this.


- Mark

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> On May 18, 2019, at 4:40 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> 800.647.7261 option 7.  This is where you can call Monday through Friday to 
> lodge any kind of complaint.  While the e-NV200 is on the website and in 
> Europe it is not for N. America.
> https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/future-concept/e-nv200-zero-emissions-small-van.html
>  Here it is but not available. Such a shame. 
> This is the link where you can see the concept. If you complain formally to 
> Nissan maybe they will bring this useful vehicle to our shores.  Lawrence 
> Rhodes
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