Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-05 Thread Dan Baker via EV
may finally >> be able to take the trip from Ontario to NS in our 2017 Leaf this year. >> >> Wind power continues to grow in NS (and the winds seem to be getting >> stronger in recent years), and Bay of Fundy tidal remains to be tapped in a >> significant way. >&g

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-04 Thread Michael Ross via EV
It is fair and well deserved criticism for the utility I am subject to. We do not have many plug ins here (very little Tesla presence, and no fast chargers I have seen). Most solar is utility scale -Duke has successfully squelched residential solar so far. No third party sales are allowed. They

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
ay of Fundy tidal remains to be tapped in a > significant way. > > Darryl McMahon > > On 1/3/2018 10:38 AM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: > >> Message: 10 >> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:38:30 -0400 >> From: Dan Baker<vmd...@gmail.com> >> To: Electric

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
er via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "Dan Baker" <vmd...@gmail.com> > Sent: 03-Jan-18 7:38:30 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid > > So we have an inter

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Tom, It was during the summer, which certainly exascerbated the situation. But that was planned for. (And it wasn't EVSE's. At that time, the only EVs out there were the RAV4-EVs) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Thos True via EV wrote: > > Mark, > >

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I'm no fan of the utilities, but that's not a fair criticism. The change and uptake of the technology was unexpected and quick, and could not have been predicted when the infrastructure was built. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
t the same as the previous tech of the same appliance sounds fishy. Cor. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 6:21 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Mark Abramowitz Subject: Re: [EVDL]

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Thos True via EV
Mark, Just curious what time of year the outages have been occurring at. If it is during the summer, I would expect that the cause has more to do with a large use of hvac units, not televisions or evse's. If during winter, then it probably has to do with unexpected increase in heating demands.

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Darryl McMahon via EV
Electric Vehicle Discussion List<ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid Message-ID: <CAMJJmqvaVk_h4t8yM+q8oO93oy1=9wyrghvrw2pf6e9kh6b...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So we have an interesting conundrum in

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Dubious or not, our local infrastructure couldn't handle the change in technology coupled with numbers of units in each household. Try telling those who suffered frequent outages that they were imagining it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Steve Condie via EV

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I'm in SCE territory, too. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, jim--- via EV wrote: > > > Mark Abramowitz said (in part): >> There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the >> grid and increased useage. > >> As plasma and other big

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
: "Dan Baker via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "Dan Baker" <vmd...@gmail.com> Sent: 03-Jan-18 7:38:30 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid So we have an interesting con

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
So we have an interesting conundrum in my province (Nova Scotia). NS decided to concentrate their efforts on saving energy instead of cleaning it up first. This makes sense as the most efficient watt is the watt that was never used which I agree with. They created an organization called

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread paul dove via EV
What city do you live in? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > " Our City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity > increased to handle the loads." > > You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Steve Condie via EV wrote: This statement, as written, is dubious. All flat screen TV's except plasma use less electricity than the older CRT sets did - a 50" LED set uses less electricity than a 30" CRT. It's difficult to generalize like that. An ancient all-tube TV used around 200-300

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread Steve Condie via EV
This statement, as written, is dubious. All flat screen TV's except plasma use less electricity than the older CRT sets did - a 50" LED set uses less electricity than a 30" CRT. Plasma is comparable to CRT, but plasma TVs never really had a lot of market share, even in their brief heyday. What's

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Jan 2018 at 9:01, Thos True via EV wrote: > Doing this without drawing undue attention is generally in their best > interest, as most people typically don't pay any attention until it > disrupts their plans with an unexpected failure. > Except when you have an anti-EV agenda, and want to

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 2 Jan 2018 at 8:17, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the grid by not > recognizing the need to respond to change. We saw how that kind of manipulation worked out for Enron ... David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread Thos True via EV
I have been a commercial electrician for over 20 years now, and have been around several power sub stations. One thing that you quickly realize at these sites is a stringent maintenance schedule, which typically recognizes and implements the most efficient and proactive upgrades available. Maximum

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread jim--- via EV
Mark Abramowitz said (in part): > There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the > grid and increased useage. > As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my city had > serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed for those >

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread Michael Ross via EV
" Our City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity increased to handle the loads." You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the grid by not recognizing the need to respond to change. EV use will grow, but not too quickly - in the present when the electric grid

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-02 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
You paint too broad a brush. There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the grid and increased useage. As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my city had serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed for those loads. And

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-01 Thread Bill Dube via EV
I agree with Tom. As EV are slowly adopted, the grid will find ways to adapt. Always will and always has. My state electric utility has asked customers to volunteer (with a nice cash incentive) to put "black boxes" on their air conditioning loads and electric water heaters. The boxes turn off

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2018-01-01 Thread Thos True via EV
Peri & All, I recall addressing this fear about a decade ago when it the fear was being pushed by mainstream media. The reality is no different than events that have occurred many times since the inception of the electrical grid. It is interesting that the utilities seem to do their best to avoid

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2017-12-31 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
an <pe...@kotatko.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid > > I think this article raises a good question, though I don't really think > it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly impacted

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2017-12-31 Thread paul dove via EV
;ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid I think this article raises a good question, though I

Re: [EVDL] Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid

2017-12-31 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think this article raises a good question, though I don't really think it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly impacted. But what about if we had 100% EVs. What about local and long haul trucking? What about other ICE powered equipment, e.g. earth movers, etc.? What about