Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Well it's been a long time since I watched the show so maybe these were bait cars that the police had installed transmitters in. I know they can do it through onstage and I have seen where hackers did it through the cars phone connections so if hackers can do it so can the manufacturer. Sent

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

On 3 May 2017 at 10:28, paul dove via EV wrote: > All modern cars can be disabled. I read some years ago that GM had built this capability into Onstar, and would use it at police request. I haven't been able to determine whether other automakers that use vehicle telematics include the same

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All modern cars can be disabled. I see them do it in cops all the time. Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. > How much did you pay for the purchase of

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

They are locked by virtue of the fact you would have to hack it to use it. It's locked technologically. Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > My car is locked. Superchargers aren't. You could try but now that you > mention it

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Nothing 'snarky' at all David. Just pointing out that the reason you stated for not buying a Tesla is pretty pointless in today's age of information exchange. Which I might add is going to get worse with the new Internet deregulations being signed into place. Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ, 85719 >

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Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. How much did you pay for the purchase of your credit card? If you could get your car for free and only pay a certain amount afterwards for what you used, then it would be pretty fair to give

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

On 2 May 2017 at 13:02, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > I guess David doesn't have any credit cards ... cell phone ... use the > internet ... I don't get why Rush is being snarky here, but I'll give a simple, civil response: I have little enough privacy already, without choosing to give up

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Simple, that is exactly the difference between a service and a property. How much did you pay for the purchase of your credit card? If you could get your car for free and only pay a certain amount afterwards for what you used, Then it would be pretty fair to give the real owner of the car the

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Interesting comment... I guess David doesn't have any credit cards, because they are constantly monitored every time you use them and can be stopped anytime, and I guess David doesn't have a cell phone, because they are monitored constantly and can be cut off anytime. But David does use the

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Actually, I mis-remembered. I checked Otmar's blog and saw that his "Wreckla" is not disabled And he should be able to continue to build his "StretchLa" bus, But Tesla is not allowing him to purchase any of their spare parts for his car, So he is limited to buying salvage parts from dismantlers.

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

-Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 12:31 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon. On 2 May 2017 at 11:58,

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

None of my vehicles has any communication to anyone, except to the door key FOB. It can come in handy and I do understand Rental centers who want to be able to get GPS location from their cars to see where they are when they are "lost". For a manufacturer to earn the trust that he will always act

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On 2 May 2017 at 11:58, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > And, if Tesla suspects any foul play, they can instantly disable a > Tesla ... This, and the creepy constant monitoring, are the main reasons I will never buy a Tesla. NEVER. You don't ever really own your Tesla, you're just

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Lawrence, I think the FAQ you quoted explains pretty well that the Supercharging network communicates constantly with the car in order to charge: "Your vehicle and the Superchargers communicate to select the appropriate charging rate for your car. Supercharging rate may vary due to battery

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

It seems to me there are plenty of loopholes in which to possibly be able to use the Tesla super charger system. You need an account to pay so it won't be stealing. Some hacked software and hardware. Probably from a wrecked Tesla. So proceed at your own risk. Support1. Ordering2.

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

> I'm pretty serious. What is the worst that could happen? ...[from > stealing Tesla electricity]... Not much other than the clear demonstration of the loss of integrity, honesty and civility we see rising in America... - From: robert winfield

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On 05/02/2017 11:12 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: On 2 May 2017 at 9:05, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: It does seem like a shame and a waste to have all those chargers and not make them available to the entire EV community. Yes it is a shame, but it is a good competitive advantage

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If they aren't locked then why do I need to hack them to get them to work? My car doesn't have a cut metal key but an electronic key, I still consider the Tesla supercharger as being locked, just by an electronic key. respectfully, John -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Rhodes

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

On 2 May 2017 at 9:05, Collin Kidder via EV wrote: > Doing so is likely to be seen as theft (of electricity). Here's some totally uninformed speculation. Anyone who knows otherwise, please correct me. A Tesla is like an ankle bracelet that you drive, always connected to the net, reporting

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

I'm pretty serious.  What is the worst that could happen?  One man was charged with theft a few years ago for plugging in his Leaf at a 110v outlet at a park.  Barney Fife on duty.  Lawrence Rhodes From: robert winfield To: Lawrence Rhodes

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

My car is locked. Superchargers aren't.  You could try but now that you mention it I guess I should make a sign.  Lawrence Rhodes From: John Neiswanger To: Lawrence Rhodes ; EVDL Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:50

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

So by this logic if I can figure out a "hack" I could take your car since it doesn't have a sign saying "don't take my car" or "for Lawrence only"? I also think I read that the Tesla chargers actually "read" the VIN number as part of the connection communications. It must have something

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

If the car talks the the charger it should be able to dictate the flow of electrons.  If someone comes up with the device maybe Tesla will change it's policy.  It's more of a challenge rather than stealing electricity.  That being said I never thought of the stealing aspect.  The III is

Re: [EVDL] Hacking a supercharger. Have a charge on Elon.

Can it be done in reverse? Almost certainly it can. The super charger talks over single wire CAN to the car. People have done some captures. To the best of my knowledge nobody has tried to charge on a super charger with an unauthorized device. Doing so is likely to be seen as theft (of