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(Peter Oliver) 17. Re: High Voltage Fuse Boxes (Kenneth G. Gordon) 18. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Morgan LaMoore) 19. Re: 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. (Morgan LaMoore) 20. Re: Tax Rebates - any one tried the Federal AFV route? (Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins) 21. Denver (Colorado) EV Council Meeting This Saturday (Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:41:01 -0800 From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The link-10 is the mainstay of us converters. I couldn't buy one locally so I went to the local boating store and bought a link 1000. It has almost identical operation as the link 10, but is square instead of round and has some provision for an aux battery. I had to make my own prescaler because my pack is 288V and the link 10/100 are only good for 36V(or maybe 48 ???). It was easy to make and found through this list. Check the Archives or maybe the author will speak up (Lee ???). ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:42:23 -0800 From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Patrick, A very long time, no see. I am so glad to hear you have not given up your dream! Yes the "Maniac Mazda" does still have two motors. Actually two nine inch Advanced DC motors. It was named the "Maniac Mazda" by the infamous John Wayland after it switched to two motors. John is another member of the club of the censored. Part of my reason for posting is to see just how long my message takes to get through. My last one took over eight hours due to censorship. I usually no longer post as by the time my messages get through the subject line has changed. In today's world timeliness if everything. When I would post almost real time events of drag races these same posts would be totally worthless. Isn't censorship wonderful! I am personally part of a back channel group of racers who have all been targeted for censorship by Mr. Roden. He seems to have a particular grievance against anyone trying to push the development of EV technology and to further the acceptance of EVs. He is getting very close to driving away such notables as Lee Hart. His agenda is not clear. Please contact us off list if you would like to get news in a timely fashion without censorship. You may also wish to join a growing group of free thinking people who believe in sharing EV technology. Of course you know that this message may not slide through. Roderick Wilde ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrick DonEgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC > > >> Michael is trying to get his awesome car all dialed in and these guys are >> home dreaming up the next big thing in EV racing since series/parallel >> switching or Siamese motors, heh heh ;-) >> >> > Am I remembering correctly that the Maniac Mazda had twin motors in itat > some point? > > > -- > Patrick Ira Donegan > TigerBody Electric Vehicles > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1287 - Release Date: 2/19/2008 > 10:55 AM > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:16:12 -0600 From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ... hoping youcanhelp To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul; I like your formula. Seems to fit right in with a few others I've seen from Lee Hart, and Bob Batson. Thanks; Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:58 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ... hoping youcanhelp Correct. Paul Gooch On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Josh Creel wrote: > So does this represent 100% SOD? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:34 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Still trying to make sense of my data ... > hoping you > canhelp > > >> On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Bill Dube wrote: >> >>> Figure that 500 lbs of lead is about 1 gallon of gasoline. >>> >>> If then original car got 28 miles per gallon of gasoline, the >>> conversion will go about 28 miles (max) for each 500 lbs of lead you >>> put in it. >>> >>> The Festiva gets about 27 mpg. He has 7 x 42 = 294 lb of >>> lead. This suggests that he can go, at most, 16 miles. >> >> I'll toss out my formula for lead acid based EVs. R = W * (0.05 + A) >> >> R = range in miles >> W = weight of the battery pack >> A = an adjustment factor, 0 if 33% of the completed vehicle weight is >> battery weight, -0.001 for each 1% less in battery weight or +0.001 >> for each 1% greater in battery weight >> >> I find this fairly accurate for the maximum range. It works for >> vehicles where you don't have good before fuel mileage numbers (due >> to the extent of modifications or the age of the vehicle.) The range >> this predicts is pretty close to the vehicles maximum (don't plan on >> going that far every cycle unless you like replacing batteries >> often.) You should de-rate it for an appropriate depth of discharge. >> It lands pretty close to reality for vehicles ranging from my EV >> Buggy to the Red Beastie (RIP.) >> >> Paul Gooch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For subscription options, see >> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:21:33 -0500 From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA! To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Dave an' All; I GUESS my post made it to the List? Funny I never SAW it myself. But my computer, Micro Sloth, or ATT Net, which bought out my beloved SNET.Net is having processing problems? Computer is running SO Godamn SLOW. Seems to take DAZE to download something, most of the time. They raised the damn rates, too. So I guess they, like the Post Office, are charging for storage, too? So I was thinking it may NOT be David holding up posts to the List, it COULD be just the quirkyness of the Internet. Like a car, it's great when it WORKS! My Compac machine when I first got it, had blazing speed hooked up to the AT an' T DSL or what EVer they call it? Not a computer geek, I just log on and hope it works? I HAVE a Spam catcher which works pretty well, I've trained it to give me real mail, BUT I gotta go through it to find the occasional Real Mail. So If ya wrote me, and no response ya might have been trashed with the spam, try again! Computer garu I had checked it out, sed it was FINE on HIS bench. THOUGHT AT an' T was having issues? I have heard this gripe from others too.EVer TRY to call them? That canned VOICE you can't talk to!! As bad as "Push 2 for English" The classic " This Call is important to us , please stay on the line" Yeah, RIGHT? Titanic's coming in Friday, got a nice bridge in Crooklyn I'll sell ya! It is IMPOSSABLE to TALK to somebody at CT DMV, for example, on the fone! MAYBE it is just missunderstanding stuff going on of late is just a Tech thing? David hasn't thrown many folks off the List, And I think that it has been pretty civilized. Have you been on any OTHER Diss-cussion groups? See what I mean? People screaming ALL UPPER CAPS, GET'S SO YOUR EARS HURT<G>!Like that.Oh for lost netiquette. But if I offend, I'm only a" Delete" button AWAY! OK My two watts on the "Censorship" thing. That and 5 bux will get ya a cup of coffee, and an artery clogging donut at Drunkin" Donuts! See Ya Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Oliveria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:47:56 -0600 From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Member - Ah and Watt meter for motorcycle To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Jeff Shanab wrote: > The link-10 is the mainstay of us converters. > I couldn't buy one locally so I went to the local boating store and > bought a link 1000. > > It has almost identical operation as the link 10, but is square instead > of round and has some provision for an aux battery. I had to make my > own prescaler because my pack is 288V and the link 10/100 are only > good for 36V (or maybe 48V). It was easy to make and found through > this list. Check the Archives or maybe the author will speak up (Lee?) The original E-meter was made by Cruising Equipment company. They were bought out by Heart Interface, and it was renamed the Link-10. Heart was in turn bought out by Xantrex, and the "Xantrex Link-10" is still available new; a friend just bought one at West Marine for $229. Xantrex was also selling it in Europe under the Mastervolt name (I don't recall the name they put on it). The original E-meter had software features and hardware options that suited it for EV use. The software could be programmed for "EV mode", there was an added EV noise filter, it could be expanded to +/-1000 amps and 0-500v, it had an RS-232 output option to log data, there was a switchable output that could be used to control a battery charger or low battery alarm, etc. These features have gradually been eliminated by Heart and Xantrex. Some are still there, but hidden. For EV use, the E-meter / Link-10 requires an external prescaler; this converts the stock 0-50v range to 0-100v or 0-500v. Heart used to sell it for around $50 -- I think they have stopped offering it altogether. Fundamentally, the 0-100v prescaler is a 118K resistor from pin 4 to your +HV pack; and the 0-500V is a 1057K resistor in the same place. An "anti-idiot" 51v zener and 0.01uF capacitor were also included between pin 4 and pin 1. The RS-232 port option is not isolated -- plugging it straight into your PC is liable to destroy it! They sold an opto-isolator for another $50 or so. Xantrex seems to have eliminated the serial option, but it can be retrofitted (the recent meters I've seen have almost all the parts already there). Finally, you need an isolated power supply for the E-meter / Link-10. It *cannot* be powered directly by your 12v accessory battery, or it will short your propulsion pack to ground! A small 12v/12v DC/DC converter was offered, for another $50 or so. This option is also gone, but you can use any number of inexpensive substitutes. If you use a non-isolated charger, be *sure* this DC/DC has at least a 1500v isolation rating. I built a little "Companion" board that includes the prescaler, RS-232 isolator, and isolated power supply for these meters. I can sell these for $60 if anyone is interested. Heart repackaged the E-meter / Link-10 into a rectangular package and called it the Link-20. This version eliminated all the EV options, but added a second current and voltage input so it can monitor two 12v batteries. You can use it for EV use if you build your own two prescalers, and both batteries share a common ground (such as an EV with two parallel strings of propulsion batteries). With a 0-500v prescaler, it displays "12.34v" when the real value is "123.4v". Heart also built the Link-1000 and Link-2000 versions in a similar rectangular package. They add more features to suit Heart's other products; inverter controls, and alternator controls. They are expensive, and the extra features not especially useful in an EV, so they are not a particularly good choice. Xantrex has been pushing their XBM (Xantrex Battery Monitor) to replace the E-Meter / Link-10. This is a cheap made-in-China replacement that looks good on paper, but I don't know about its performance or quality. -- Ring the bells that still can ring Forget the perfect offering There is a crack in everything That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen -- Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:54:19 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plated! YEEE HA! To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII VERY nice write up, Bob! Thanks much! :-) Ken Gordon On 20 Feb 2008 at 1:28, Bob Rice wrote: > Hi EVerybody; > > The Sentra Saga continues > <much good stuff snipped> > > Happy Motoring See Ya! > > Bob ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:09:42 -0800 From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. Lawrence Rhodes.... ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:41 -0600 From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory ones that we have in our vehicles. Are there any available that are rated for the higher voltages. Can you get any that use the newer spade type fuses. I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp Raptor controller. As always thanks for all the great information this list provides; Dennis Elsberry, MO ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:40:43 +0000 From: "Paul compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they > are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range > with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. > Lawrence Rhodes.... I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember the Cernigie Mellon report?). A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb) Paul Compton www.evguru.co.uk www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk www.sciroccoev.co.uk www.morini-mania.co.uk www.compton.vispa.com/the_named ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:50:02 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Crash Testing in Brazil? Pete On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:09 AM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote: > http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how > they are > going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range > with a 360 > pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. Lawrence > Rhodes.... > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:22:19 -0800 From: "Brian D. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EVDL] utube TRON To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4izMySKIc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJs9RD_utPQ -- Brian D. HAll Thunderstruck-ev.com 3200 Dutton Ave #319 Santa Rosa, Ca 95407 707-575-0353 voice 707-544-5304 fax ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:27:22 -0800 From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My apologies to John & the Meanie. Thanks Paul for the Google. Lawrence Rhodes.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. > On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they >> are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range >> with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. >> Lawrence Rhodes.... > > I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it > comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system > (remember > the Cernigie Mellon report?). > > A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb) > > > Paul Compton > www.evguru.co.uk > www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk > www.sciroccoev.co.uk > www.morini-mania.co.uk > www.compton.vispa.com/the_named > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:34:50 -0800 (PST) From: gottdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EVDL] Doubler or Not To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am going to purchase a 72 volt DC to DC converter that puts out 24 volts. Or I can get the converter that puts out 12v and use a doubler so I can power the contactor. I was also told that I could just upgrade my accessories to 24 volt and use the 24 volt converter. I never heard anyone doing that. What do you guru's recommend that I do in regards to the DC to DC converter. I don't really want to use a battery to power the components unless I can use the converter to keep the battery charged. I will be doing some searching on the forum but I can't right now. I am going in this morning for surgery and may be off the puter for few. Pete : ) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Doubler-or-Not-tp15594320p15594320.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:46:09 -0800 From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Feb 2008 at 9:34, gottdi wrote: > > I am going to purchase a 72 volt DC to DC converter that puts out 24 > volts. Or I can get the converter that puts out 12v and use a doubler > so I can power the contactor. I'd use a doubler to power the contactor. Changing everything in the car over to 24 VDC, although it can be done, is a big hassle. Remember KISS? Ken Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:45:58 -0700 From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Dennis, The maximum rated voltage for these push in fuses for vehicles, I have seen is 60 VDC for vehicles systems that may range from 12 to 48 volts DC. In my EV, I use industrial fuse holders, fuses, and fuse indicators that are track mounted like a terminal strip. They are available from General Electric, Westinghouse, Square D Company and similar companies. The fuses can be rated up to 600 volts at 30 amps and are 13/32 dia by 1-1/2 inches long ferrule fuse. We have a local distributor dealer, so I use the Square D units. You can also special order any Square D devices from the Home Depot Contractor Order desk. The Square D NEMA Type Numbers are: Mounting Track Type GH103 to GH172 Track End Clamps Type GH10 Fuse Blocks 600V Type GF6 End Barriers Type GF6B Blown Fuse Indicator Type GLP3 for 120-240V - Optional Type GLP6 for 277-600V - Optional Also see: http://www.squared.com For fuses: www.surplusssale.com For Vehicle type plug in fuse panels: jegs.com There is many other types of devices and larger mounting tracks call DIM tracks that mount terminal blocks from 18 AWG to 500 MCM, switches, circuit breakers, plug in relays, contactors, current relays, voltage relays, and many interface units. Behind my lift down dash panel, this unit is mounted on a aluminum chassis plate that is 60 inches long by 12 inches high mounted about 3 inches from the firewall on mounting legs. The terminal strip and track is also 60 inches long and all circuits in the EV terminal here. There is no point to point wiring, meaning wiring a device in the EV and go directly to another device. It first is connected to the terminal strip and then is cross connected to other devices on the strip and/or to other mounting strips that then cross connect to devices in that location. This is how industrial type wiring is done. Aircraft wiring, missile site wiring and may industrial complexes are done this way. It is very easy to upgrade your EV without rewiring each time. When I change out my CableForm controller with a Zilla controller, all I had to do is to re-cross connected at the terminal blocks. When I change out my CableForm Battery charger with a PFC-50, again all I had to do was to re-cross connected the circuits at the terminal blocks. There is also a circuit flow indicator panel on my console which is a combination indicator and switches, that show the circuit flow from the battery to the controller. If I get a green indication all the way through this circuit, I know this circuit is good. If I get a green indicator up to a certain point, then I know that device or fuse is blown, so all I do while the EV is on the run, is turn off that circuit and turn on another back up circuit and keep on going. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pestka, Dennis J" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes > I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory > ones that we have in our vehicles. > Are there any available that are rated for the higher voltages. > Can you get any that use the newer spade type fuses. > I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp Raptor controller. > > > As always thanks for all the great information this list provides; > > Dennis > Elsberry, MO > > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:51:24 -0800 From: "Peter Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Doesn't it also seem strange to heat the batteries up to 518 degrees before charging? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul compton Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:41 AM To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they > are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range > with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. > Lawrence Rhodes.... I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember the Cernigie Mellon report?). A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb) Paul Compton www.evguru.co.uk www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk www.sciroccoev.co.uk www.morini-mania.co.uk www.compton.vispa.com/the_named _______________________________________________ For subscription options, see http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:53:54 -0800 From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] High Voltage Fuse Boxes To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 20 Feb 2008 at 10:11, Pestka, Dennis J wrote: > I would like to add a fuse box similar to the stock 12 volt accessory > ones that we have in our vehicles. Are there any available that are > rated for the higher voltages? Although I am not quite sure what you are asking, most normal fuses of the 3AG size, the SIZE used in most older cars for accessories, have a 250 V rating. However, most automobile fuses, despite their 3AG size, were rated for around 24 VDC as I remember it. If you are talking about very high current, then there are standard electrical fuses that are rated at 250 V and above, but I don't recall ever seeing a mutiple-fuse, fuse-box for those. > Can you get any that use the newer > spade type fuses? I am not sure about that, but I can look for you in my electrical parts contractors list. >I will be running a 156 volt system, with a 1200 amp > Raptor controller. We still need to know exactly what you are asking. If you mean a fuse box for the motor, that is a different matter. If you are asking about a fuse box for accessories at 156 VDC at much lower current, that is an entirely different matter. Please clarify. There are fuses and holders rated for several kilovolts available. Ken Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:58:04 -0600 From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC To: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really? Are you sure it's not just technical issues? All mails have some delay to get through the list server, and some providers are worse than others. I get the impression that David is very reluctant to censor anything. You're the first respectable member of the list that I've heard complaining of censorship; it might just be a misunderstanding. And I definitely don't think Mr. Roden has any grudge against drag racing or furthering acceptance of EVs; drag racing is discussed quite a bit on the list. On another note, I hadn't realized how good Maniac Mazda is. A 11.04 ET on lead almost 10 years ago?! I'm impressed! I'd love to see Lithium in that thing! -Morgan LaMoore On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Patrick, A very long time, no see. I am so glad to hear you have not > given up your dream! Yes the "Maniac Mazda" does still have two motors. > Actually two nine inch Advanced DC motors. It was named the "Maniac Mazda" > by the infamous John Wayland after it switched to two motors. John is > another member of the club of the censored. Part of my reason for posting is > to see just how long my message takes to get through. My last one took over > eight hours due to censorship. I usually no longer post as by the time my > messages get through the subject line has changed. In today's world > timeliness if everything. When I would post almost real time events of drag > races these same posts would be totally worthless. Isn't censorship > wonderful! I am personally part of a back channel group of racers who have > all been targeted for censorship by Mr. Roden. He seems to have a particular > grievance against anyone trying to push the development of EV technology and > to further the acceptance of EVs. He is getting very close to driving away > such notables as Lee Hart. His agenda is not clear. Please contact us off > list if you would like to get news in a timely fashion without censorship. > You may also wish to join a growing group of free thinking people who > believe in sharing EV technology. Of course you know that this message may > not slide through. > > Roderick Wilde ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:29:07 -0600 From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah; my understanding was that NiMH doesn't accept charge well when warm. (That article says it's a NiMH pack, although we know the article isn't reliable.) A Zebra battery, however, should stay heated to about that temperature at all times; maybe they're using an exotic Zebra (molten sodium) battery, or maybe that's just another thing the article got wrong. Either way, though, you can't "quickly and efficiently" heat the batteries to 500F; the batteries have thermal mass and it takes a lot of energy to heat something like batteries from normal temperatures to 500F. If the batteries are well-insulated and stay at that temperature, though, it's another story. -Morgan LaMoore On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Peter Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doesn't it also seem strange to heat the batteries up to 518 degrees before > charging? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Paul compton > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:41 AM > To: Lawrence Rhodes; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] 1300 pound Brazilian/Fiat EV. > > > > On 4:09:42 pm 20/02/2008 "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > http://www.greencar.com/features/fiat-palio/ I'm wondering how they > > are going to get that weight and pass any crash test. 80 mile range > > with a 360 pound lithium pack. Makes Blue Meanie seem pudgy. > > Lawrence Rhodes.... > > I'd guess it's a combination of typical journalistic incompetance when it > comes to accuracy combined with an ignorance of the metric system (remember > the Cernigie Mellon report?). > > A quick Google search reveals a weight of 1029Kg (2269lb) > > > Paul Compton > www.evguru.co.uk > www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk > www.sciroccoev.co.uk > www.morini-mania.co.uk > www.compton.vispa.com/the_named > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > > _______________________________________________ > For subscription options, see > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:17:56 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tax Rebates - any one tried the Federal AFV route? To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Andy and All, Wow, the feds are now talking about EV conversions now? I took the Qualified Alternative Fuel Motor Vehicle tax credit on my S10 conversion back in '02 using IRS Form 8910. Although the instructions did not mention conversions back than, I figured since the vehicle was re-titled with electric fuel, it was worth a try. As I recall, Mark Hanson had done this on a conversion and had posted to the list about it. For those of you in Colorado that are thinking about converting, I got something like a $6500 credit that carried forward for five years! Suck Amps, BB >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:11:34 -0700 > >As I do my taxes and feel the pain, I salve myself by scouring the net >for deductions... I have been reading hard into EV incentives, and >have re-read the below verbage a number of times. Has anyone on this >board tried going through this method for incentives? Seems like a bit >of paperwork, but the law states that conversions are explicitly >covered. Seems that the manufacturers of the kits (Azure for me) would >need to carry this certificate and an installer (me) would get some >amount of training from them, and perhaps the incentive would work. >Thoughts?? > >Andy Herringshaw >Ames, IA > >http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/progs/view_ind_fed.php/afdc/348/0 > >RS Notice 2006-54 (PDF 37 KB ><http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-06-54.pdf>), issued in June 2006, >extends the Qualified Alternative Fuel MotorVehicle (QAFMV) tax credit >to vehicle conversions. This IRS guidancestates that new or used >vehicles, placed in service as alternative fuelvehicles after January 1, >2006, qualify for the tax credit when theconversion system manufacturer >has received a certificate of conformityfrom the EPA or California Air >Resources Board. This guidance alsoestablishes that manufacturers >(conversion system installers) mustprovide certification to the IRS that >a vehicle is eligible for a taxcredit. The IRS must then provide the >manufacturer with acknowledgementthat a vehicle qualifies for the >credit. The credit is taken by thebuyer of a vehicle, and IRS Form 8910 >should be used to claim thecredit. The credit cannot be sold or >transferred but can be carriedforward by the seller for use in later >years. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:25:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [EVDL] Denver (Colorado) EV Council Meeting This Saturday To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, Also see: www.devc.info Suck Amps, BB -----Forwarded Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Feb 19, 2008 4:30 PM > >Please note that Bill Dube is going to be the speaker at the next DEVC >meeting on Saturday February 23 at 10 am at the Wheel Experience Gallery >(Graham's >store) here in Boulder. >What: Bill Dube and his Killacycle (World?s Fastest Electric Motorcycle) >will be the meeting topic. Killacycle is powered by A123 lithium cells. >When: Saturday February 23, 2008 >Where: 3970 Broadway Suite B-4 (Behind Dagabi Restaurant) >Time: 10 am-12 noon >Mike Bachand >Denver Electric Vehicle Council (DEVC) - Colorado Chapter of the EAA >1994 Kawasaki Ninja EV http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/748 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ EV@lists.sjsu.edu For subscription options, see http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev End of EV Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 *********************************