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Today's Topics:
1. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. Re: brake booster vacuum levels (Ben)
3. Re: brake booster vacuum levels (Roland Wiench)
4. Re: how good is the warp 9 motor? (Roland Wiench)
5. Re: New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle (Bob Rice)
6. Re: New Optima pack ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. Re: Zenn Says See You Later, Batteries! (Jeff Shanab)
8. New Optima pack (Jeff Shanab)
9. motor adapter ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
10. brake booster vacuum levels (Jeff Shanab)
11. Re: New Optima pack (John G. Lussmyer)
12. Re: New Optima pack (Ralph Merwin)
13. Motor advancement (Jim Husted)
14. Re: Subaru conversion? (Zeke Yewdall)
15. Re: using solar panel (Zeke Yewdall)
16. Tranny/differential alignment (Drive shaft angles) (Roger Daisley)
17. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Derek Barger)
18. Self-balancing robot bicycle, muRata Boy (Bill Dube)
19. Another THANKS to Cal Car News (Steven Lough)
20. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Jim Husted)
21. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!(Fuel Source
Poll) (Derek Barger)
22. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Jeff Major)
23. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Marty Hewes)
24. Re: Subaru conversion? (storm connors)
25. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Morgan LaMoore)
26. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Bill Dennis)
27. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Alan Brinkman)
28. Re: A123 Battery Feasibility (storm connors)
29. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (Jim Sylvester)
30. Re: KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!! (keith vansickle)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:19:57 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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In a message dated 9/4/2007 9:21:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Date:9/4/2007 9:21:23 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-to:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> To:ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Received from Internet:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:53:33 -0700
> >From: "Roderick Wilde" <roderick@> evparts.com>
> >Subject: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
>
> > "I can not tolerate BS".
> "I believe the Current Eliminator has not gone quicker than low 12 seconds
> in
> >2007. ----- If I am wrong I will retract this statement."
> >
> >Roderick Wilde
>
---Well Rod Wilde you owe me an a retractment also.My CE dragster went 11.89
at least 200 times this year bracket racing.
---You also owe Lori Peterson,she drove the CE to 10.18 in
march/07 with 240 volts. ---Thanks for the
apoligy
to Mario.
At the time the website was made we
tried to add as many evs as we could to help those folks and nedra.When the
site is updated we will drop all other competors from it.Are there any other
issues you have with me,my site,ect.?
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:20:42 -0400
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It sounds as if they are specifying the vacuum level measured at the
engine, not the brake booster. Even in a new system I'm sure they
expect a certain amount of leakage and the brake booster should be
designed to cope with lower levels (it's the braking system, after all
- has to be tolerant of glitches and still function safely).
With that said, from my understanding of how the booster works, any
amount of vacuum should give you *some* boost, just perhaps less than
original designed.
Ben
On 9/5/07, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Roland,
>
> I was just using the brake bleeding as a reason why I was looking at
> the service manual. I was previously under the assumption that the
> Thomas would give the the right vacuum levels.
>
> In the breaks section of the Factory Service Manual,
>
> Under the Vacuum Piping section there is a bit about the vacuum
> warning switch:
> (0 ohm) vacuum level of 26.7 kPa(200mmHg, 7.87) or less
> Infinity ohm vacuum level 33.3kPa (250 mmHg, 9.84 inHg) or more.
>
>
> Then under Vacuum Pump is says, and I quote:
> 1. Install vacuum gage.
> 2. Run engine at 1,000 RPM
> 3 Check vacuum. Specified vacuum: 93.3 kPa (700 mmHg, 27.56 in Hg) or
> more.
>
> In the picture the gauge is connected between the check valve and the
> engine.
>
> Assuming its not a misprint:
> 1)Is have a different vacuum level that what is specified in the
> manual a safety issue or does it just make it harder to push the
> pedal when I need to stop (I suppose it could be both)?
> 2) Is there some other vacuum pump available that will get me the
> vacuum level specified in the manual?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:41:26 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello John,
If that's the vacuum requirement for the brake booster it self, then I would
use the manufacturers vacuum pump and canister design for your braking
system. That's what I did. I use a GMC vacuum pump that is belt driven
that can hold 22 in.hg. for my braking system.
It does not click click either when you are above 18 in.hg. Its only clicks
at the low in.hg. because the check value is closing and opening at the low
rpm startup which you do not hear in a engine vehicle until its reaches
idle.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
> Thanks Roland,
>
> I was just using the brake bleeding as a reason why I was looking at
> the service manual. I was previously under the assumption that the
> Thomas would give the the right vacuum levels.
>
> In the breaks section of the Factory Service Manual,
>
> Under the Vacuum Piping section there is a bit about the vacuum
> warning switch:
> (0 ohm) vacuum level of 26.7 kPa(200mmHg, 7.87) or less
> Infinity ohm vacuum level 33.3kPa (250 mmHg, 9.84 inHg) or more.
>
>
> Then under Vacuum Pump is says, and I quote:
> 1. Install vacuum gage.
> 2. Run engine at 1,000 RPM
> 3 Check vacuum. Specified vacuum: 93.3 kPa (700 mmHg, 27.56 in Hg) or
> more.
>
> In the picture the gauge is connected between the check valve and the
> engine.
>
> Assuming its not a misprint:
> 1)Is have a different vacuum level that what is specified in the
> manual a safety issue or does it just make it harder to push the
> pedal when I need to stop (I suppose it could be both)?
> 2) Is there some other vacuum pump available that will get me the
> vacuum level specified in the manual?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Roland Wiench wrote:
>
> > For bleeding brakes, a separated tool is use to do maintenance on
> > brake
> > lines. You can get or see one at a auto parts store. The brake
> > booster
> > should start working any vacuum of 12 in.hg. or more. Best if the
> > vacuum is
> > held at or above 15 in.hg.
> >
> > If the 27.56 in.hg. refers to the brake booster, than it may be a
> > print
> > error, it may be 17.56 in.hg. for the brake booster.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Electric List Vehicle Discussion" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:17 PM
> > Subject: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
> >
> >
> >> I was looking at my service manual to check for the proper order to
> >> bleed my breaks and I noticed the manual specifies 27.56 inHg or more
> >> with the engine running at 1,000 rpm.
> >>
> >> My Thomas vacuum pump has a max vacuum of 22.9 inHg.
> >>
> >> Is this a problem?
> >>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:03:54 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
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Hello Mike,
I now have been running a Warp 9 for two years now, as a temporary
replacement while my GE 11 is in maintenance. The Warp 9 I have is rated
for 192 volts at 199 amps continuous running.
This 199 amps is the motor amps, not the battery amps while the motor volts
is about 50 volts. Its in a 6800 lb EV which the motor should normally be a
Warp 11, but because I have a 19.5:1 1st gear and a 13.5:1 2nd gear, I can
keep the motor ampere between 100 and 200 amps at speeds up to 50 mph.
You can go over the 199 motor amp limit to 300 amps for about a minute and
higher than 300 amps for seconds.
It comes with silver graphite brushes that are pre-curve. My Warp 9 made a
lot of brush clicking noise, until the commentator and brushes was broke in
using 12 volts and using a commentator stone that you can get from a motor
shop. Make sure you turn it the same direction as it would be in a vehicle.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Willmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:46 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
> Its a good motor. I own 3 of them. Drive 1 every day. The other 2 are
> going in a dragster.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of mrdoo6820
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 12:20 AM
> > To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> > Subject: [EVDL] how good is the warp 9 motor?
> >
> >
> >
> > im looking for the best way and cheapest way to build an EV
> > --
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:12:04 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
To: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New World's Quickest Electric Vehicle
> Ian, You are correct, this site is way out of date and does not mention
> the
> year 2007 anywhere. At the bottom of the page it says last modified Nov.
> 17,
> 2203. I believe the new EV land speed record for an EV in the US is
> 314.958
> mph set by the Buckeye Bullet at the Bonneville Salt Flats way back in
> 2004:
> http://www.speedace.info/osu_buckeye_bullet.htm
>
To sture the pot a bit, the French RR's TGV TRAIN at 357 MPH is the
fastest!Seems like a look CLOSLY at the timeslips should put this all too
rest?Were getting into comparring apples to oranges here. Of course TGV may
need more than a quarter mile to do it's thing, though. I wonder if the guyz
at SNCF (French National RR)measured the quarter mile time?Probab;y mot
impressive as it has pretty tall gears to go that fast.?!Quarter mile track,
vs, good chunk if France. Bike, VS Rail Vs Street car (Not Brill , PCC or
Niles) Market St., SF.
If it wasn't for distances the true shootouts would be
Kilocycle/Current elininater...Zoombie/Dennis's Yet Unnamed S-10. These
would be ones for You Tube!
I'll send Rob Neighbours, Lister of yore, Pilot, now, with the Fedex
Cargo Jet<g>! I Wish!
Seeya
Bob
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:13:17 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Optima pack
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hey John,
Well that is bad news, but, it makes me feel a bit better. I say that
because I had the same experience. After about 2000 miles on our new
NmG - with a new pack we had three batteries fail. I never heard them
venting. I have bad hearing and could have missed it, but I don't think
so because Heidi has excellent hearing and she is very observant in
that way.
Anyway, I contacted Optima and spoke to Bridget regarding warranty
replacement. She informed me that using Optima batteries in an electric
vehicle voids any warranty. That is regardless of charger type, battery
management or whatever - No warranty if used in an EV.
Just curious, have you checked with them regarding warranty?
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: John G. Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>;
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Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 8:48 pm
Subject: [EVDL] New Optima pack
Okay, so I finished charging every battery at 14.50volts, down to 1.4A.
Some took longer, some did some venting.
I then took the Sparrow out for a spin around the block. 6.6 miles over
rolling hills at 40-50mph. This used 1.27 KWH.
At about the 4 mile mark, I noticed that the voltage was dropping down
to 140v with only a 120A draw. (up a slight hill.)
As soon as I got home, I checked the voltages on all 13 Optimas.
12.43, 12.45, 12.44, 12.40, 12.45, 10.68, 12.42, 12.44, 12.49, 12.43,
12.43, 11.43, 12.37
Note that batteries #6 and #12 show problems. #12 was venting a
little. The reg on #6 had it's undervoltage light lit. #12 doesn't
currently have a reg attached.
Looks like I have 2 bad batteries. sigh.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:14:39 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Zenn Says See You Later, Batteries!
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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I think the key to using this type of technology will be to hide it from
the user behind a dc-dc converter having it's own inductance and
capacitance.
A very high efficiency bidirectional dc-dc converter (QR-ZVS?) would
provide something like a 300V, -100 to 400 amp interface .
This can then feed an AC 3phase hbridge or a dc motor. Maybe the dc
link voltage would be controllable and be part of the control or maybe
it is just dumb, acts like a battery and lets us use whatever controller
we want. At 300:3500 we are already at 12:1 voltage ratio in the dc-dc.
That is pushing the limit on practical high power dc-dc converters,
especially if we are asking to have a dynamic range of 12:1 to 2:1
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:09:14 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] New Optima pack
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Did you say you stopped chargeing at 1.4Amps? Is this a regulated
14.5Volt supply?
You may be obscureing your SOC.
If I don't miss my guess you are hammering to hard near end of charge
Fooling yourself into thinking they are full and then stopping to soon.
But I am not a battery expert. Batteries are spongy, if I push at 5Amps
they will show the full state of charge voltage when they are only 75 or
80% full. If I turn down the current control they then take another hour
to get to the cut-off voltage. Maybe this is just a side effect of using
voltage to indicate charge while controlling voltage, it sounds almost
like you are doing the opposite.
I have 24 orbitals and regs only on half of them at the moment. When the
regs start flashing I turn down the current control. The recombiner
inside is only good for about an amp and I have found that if I leave
the pack on the charger at less than an amp so the regs barely flash, I
can get the whole pack balanced. I do this on my gasser day one a week
or once every two weeks and it really helps.
I think you are chronically underchargeing and then sucking them to low,
which lessens their capacity which makes the situation
worse....Batteries need to be woken up slowly, hitting them too hard to
soon will cause venting and imbalance if they have sat for any time.
Even with my pack of 24, I have one that drops the lowest on every run
and takes the longest to fill. At first this seems counter-intuitive, if
it takes longer to fill it has more capacity but if it is first to empty
it has LESS capacity. It just means that battery has higher internal
resistance and wastes more power on charge and discharge than the rest.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:53:45 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] motor adapter
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Does one of you have plans for the adapter plate to clutch for a 1997 (or
near that generation) S10 (as well as what might be required for the bell
housing?)
I see a bunch of direct connects, but I want to keep the clutch
Thanks, Ben
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:15:08 -0700
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] brake booster vacuum levels
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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The vacuum levels don't have anything to do with the bleeding of the
brakes, I assume you just happened to run across that spec.
22 is just fine. It just effects how much pedal force you must apply.ie,
less assistance.
Remember that the car runs at various throttle positions so the vacuum
avail changes during operation on an ICE more than on an electric. The
usually keep enough in the body of the brake booster with a check valve
for one good stop if the engine dies. They also have to design with the
variety of drivers out there. I assume you are not a 95 lb octogenarian?
(no offense intended if you are)
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 07:21:39 -0700
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Optima pack
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> Did you say you stopped chargeing at 1.4Amps? Is this a regulated
> 14.5Volt supply?
> You may be obscureing your SOC.
>
Using a Lab Bench power supply, charge at 14.50V until current drops to
1.4A. This was to just get them all to close to the same SOC. This was
a BRAND NEW pack. NEVER used.
> I think you are chronically underchargeing and then sucking them to low,
> which lessens their capacity which makes the situation
>
Hard to be chronic since this was the first real charge cycle.
> worse....Batteries need to be woken up slowly, hitting them too hard to
> soon will cause venting and imbalance if they have sat for any time.
>
I'm trying short runs to break them in. But those 2 batteries seem to
be bad.
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:43:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] New Optima pack
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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John G. Lussmyer writes:
>
> Jeff Shanab wrote:
> > Did you say you stopped chargeing at 1.4Amps? Is this a regulated
> > 14.5Volt supply?
> > You may be obscureing your SOC.
>
> Using a Lab Bench power supply, charge at 14.50V until current drops to
> 1.4A. This was to just get them all to close to the same SOC. This was
> a BRAND NEW pack. NEVER used.
John,
Did you follow the taper with a 2 amp constant current charge for an hour?
You need to completely disable the regulators during this phase, since the
battery voltageis will get quite high, maybe even up to 17 volts.
On the two batteries that are 'bad', try discharging them at 25 amps down
to 10.5v, then give them a proper charge (any current until 14.7v, hold
14.7v until the current drops below 1 amp, then do 2 amps for an hour with
no voltage limit). You might find that these batteries are just
undercharged.
Ralph
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:12:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Motor advancement
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Jude
I just wanted to give you a write about your motor
brush advancement. It sounds as if I advanced it for
the wrong direction if you tranny shaft rotates CCW
when looking at it.
You'll need to remove those 4 CE plate bolts and tap
the plate over to the farthest hole set on the other
side of the 3 hole set (the middle holes are for
neutral). I lost any pics I had of your motor before
building it up and set it up for the most common
rotation. Anyway I just wanted to get with you to
make sure it's right.
Cya
Jim
--- Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jim Husted wrote:
> > (First I have to get the
> >
> >> batteries charged, the
> >> assembly with flywheel reduced and balanced, and
> the
> >> paint job done,
> >> though.)
> >>
> >
> > Man what you been doing while I had it hehe 8^P
> >
> Kids, mostly. And a power to manual steering swap,
> and searching for
> fuses. Oh, and...
> > much more it's gonna help and I'd prefer a closer
> > customer to test that part out LMAO!
> >
> No offense, but: ME TOO.
> > Jude what's your web address I know
> > you posted pics??
> >
> http://judebert.com/ is my website. There are
> pictures, although I
> haven't gotten the sheared keyway up, yet. First I
> need to reprogram
> the blog to accept pictures in the comments.
>
> Jude
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:24:07 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Subaru conversion?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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The Justy is pretty nice and much smaller -- but it's completely
different than any other subaru (I think it may have even been a joint
engineering project with Suzuki), so I'm not sure than any of the
stuff you learn about it will apply to other ones.
Z
On 9/5/07, m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you do a direct drive to the tranny, you can just grind down the shaft of
> the transmission.
>
> That's what I am planning to do, but since the subaru's weigh about 2500
> pounds...
> I will probably do a Subaru Justy first...which doesn't have that problem.
>
>
>
> On 9/4/07, Zeke Yewdall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I know of someone doing a subaru conversion. On an older subaru (70's
> > or 80's I think), but they are pretty much the same design as the
> > brand new ones anyway. I'll try to find more info on the current
> > status of it. Yes, the engine does have a bit of a half bell-housing
> > built into it, which means the flywheel is recessed into the engine a
> > bit. Other than this bit of an issue with the motor adaptor, I think
> > they'd make a very good conversion (IMHO they are a much better
> > quality car than VW or american built stuff). If I finish my pickup
> > truck conversion, I might start working on a 4wd subaru conversion
> > next -- since I have several of them sitting around.
> >
> > Z
> >
> > On 9/2/07, Nickolas Kwiatkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Have you looked at this project? http://www.proev.com/ The work history
> > > page has a detailed diary of the work performed, the only thing, they
> > > have bolt two motors directly to the differentials rather than using the
> > > transmission. Which maybe not what you are after.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Nik
> > >
> > > John A. Evans - N0HJ wrote:
> > > > Here's a quote from Miek Brown's book, Convert It:
> > > >
> > > > "Subarus and rotary Mazdas have a design that recesses the flywheel
> > into
> > > > the back of the engine. This requires a very thick and expensive
> > > > adapter plate for the electric motor. For that reason, I don't
> > > > recommend them."
> > > >
> > > > dated 1993. Subaru may have changed their design since then, but I'm
> > > > not privy to that info.
> > > >
> > > > john
> > > >
> > > > Jim Coate wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I seem to recall relatively recent talk of folks converting Subarus,
> > yet
> > > >> I can't find any examples in the EV Album or with Google, etc.
> > > >>
> > > >> So... has anyone converted a "modern" Subaru (ie Forester, etc)?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:26:19 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] using solar panel
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I think that CitizenRE is a pyramid scheme, not a solar company....
from what I've found out, they require a $500 deposit, and they are
trying to build a factory to make PV modules, after which you finally
get your system installed.... they have yet to install a single system
as far as I know.
Z
On 9/4/07, Jude Anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd contact CitizenRE. They'll build an entire solar system for your
> needs, then sell you the electricity at installation-time prices over
> the length of the contract.
>
> Judebert (not associated with CitizenRE, just considering them myself)
> > m gol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>> Trying to deal with the critics that I'm still using fossil
> >>> fuel for my ride.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any inexpensive grid-tie inverters to
> >>> connect some solar panels directly to my grid?
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking just use a couple panels, less than 500 watts.
> >>>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:40:00 -0700
From: "Roger Daisley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Tranny/differential alignment (Drive shaft angles)
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Years ago, when I was doing ICE engine swaps, as a "hot rodding" hobby, I
had to have drive shafts custom fabricated. The company that was building
the shafts warned me to be careful NOT to have the centerline from the
transmission output shaft line up perfectly straight with the centerline of
the differential input coupler. In other words, it should NOT be a zero
angle, straight line, from the transmission to the differential. The reason
stated was that the driveshaft U-joints REQUIRE a slight angle to prevent
whipping/wobbling. It was suggested that a 5-10 degree angle at BOTH ends of
the driveshaft would prevent the problem. (The centerlines of both the
transmission output and differential input would be parallel, but not
centered on each other.)
Check for yourself: Go look under any rear-wheel drive car and you'll see
what I'm talking about: There is a slight angle at both U-joints. I'm no
engineer, so this advise is offered with a "Caveat Emptor" warning.
Roger Daisley
Pullman, WA
www.96-volt.com
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:05:57 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Just to let everyone know. You can rate the KillaCycle in the Green
Wheels Poll. http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
Please vote for electric as a fuel source. JDPowers is going to
compile the data and award the most promising fuel. This could have an
impact on what automakers do in the future.
Here is what they wrote:
Green Wheels premieres on Equator HD on September 4th at 10 PM
Eastern. After the show, come back to take our poll. We want you to
tell us the best green technologies. Stay tuned for the final
episode, when J.D. Power recognizes the most promising fuel with their
Innovation Excellence Award.
Did anyone get to record the show? The team would like to see it.
Watch the Video here:
http://voom.tv/equatorhd/greenwheels/
Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member
On 9/4/07, Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Should have mentioned. Click on the "Watch Video" tab in about the
> middle of the page.
>
> http://voom.tv/equatorhd/greenwheels/
>
> Bill Dube
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 10:03:22 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Self-balancing robot bicycle, muRata Boy
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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http://www.murataboy.com/en/
Way cool. I want one.
Shows the possibility for self-balancing two-wheel EVs.
Maybe someone could use this technology to build an RC version of
the KillaCycle. :-)
We'll race ya!
Bill Dube'
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:16:28 -0700
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Another THANKS to Cal Car News
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Have to thank Felix, and Cal Cars News (again), for turning us on to
this article on Toyota vs GM on Green Car Congress.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/09/toyota-takes-a-.html#morehis
But it was a "Coment" made after the article which turned us on to:
AUTOLINE - Detroit, an on line video news program, From Michigan,
and this wonderful interview with GM's Bob Lutz, and Frank Weber, in
charge of E-Flex world wide.
http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/
But on this same page, at the bottom of the page,
there is an earlier program named
"Lithium Ion LIVE" which is NOT TO MISS.
On the Panel:
# David Vieau, President & CEO, A123 Systems
# Prabhakar Patil Ph. D., Chief Executive Officer, Compact Power
# Scott Lindholm, Vice President, Systems Engineering, Cobasys
# Ann Marie Sastry Ph. D., Professor, Materials Science and Engineering,
The University of
http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/show/1130?play
After that... Don't miss the Q-and-A from the audience at:
http://www.autolinedetroit.tv/show/1130/extra?play
Enjoy.....
--
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6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:24:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Derek, all
I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16 average.
Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
hopefully others will pound you some more 5 votes.
Keep up the great work!
Cya
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
--- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
> KillaCycle in the Green
> Wheels Poll.
> http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
> Please vote for electric as a fuel source. JDPowers
> is going to
> compile the data and award the most promising fuel.
> This could have an
> impact on what automakers do in the future.
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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:40:14 -0600
From: "Derek Barger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!(Fuel
Source Poll)
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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Thanks Jim,
They are using this to rate what fuel source people want to use in
vehicles. JDPowers award for Electric would be great news for
everyone.
Thanks,
Derek Barger
High Tech Systems LLC
KillaCycle Team Member
On 9/5/07, Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Derek, all
>
> I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16 average.
> Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
> hopefully others will pound you some more 5 votes.
>
> Keep up the great work!
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
> > KillaCycle in the Green
> > Wheels Poll.
> > http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
> > Please vote for electric as a fuel source. JDPowers
> > is going to
> > compile the data and award the most promising fuel.
> > This could have an
> > impact on what automakers do in the future.
>
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:50:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I got it up to 3.21 with my hi 5.
Jeff M
--- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Derek, all
>
> I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16 average.
> Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
> hopefully others will pound you some more 5 votes.
>
> Keep up the great work!
>
> Cya
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
> > KillaCycle in the Green
> > Wheels Poll.
> > http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
> > Please vote for electric as a fuel source.
> JDPowers
> > is going to
> > compile the data and award the most promising
> fuel.
> > This could have an
> > impact on what automakers do in the future.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:07:37 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I was in the middle there someplace, my 5 a while ago bumped it to 3.18.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
>
> I got it up to 3.21 with my hi 5.
>
> Jeff M
>
>
>
> --- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hey Derek, all
>>
>> I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16 average.
>> Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
>> hopefully others will pound you some more 5 votes.
>>
>> Keep up the great work!
>>
>> Cya
>> Jim Husted
>> Hi-Torque Electric
>>
>> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
>> > KillaCycle in the Green
>> > Wheels Poll.
>> > http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
>> > Please vote for electric as a fuel source.
>> JDPowers
>> > is going to
>> > compile the data and award the most promising
>> fuel.
>> > This could have an
>> > impact on what automakers do in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:31:01 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Subaru conversion?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On my Suzuki, the installer cut 2" off the back of the engine to make 1/2 of
the adapter. Sounds like a possibility here.
On 9/1/07, John A. Evans - N0HJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's a quote from Miek Brown's book, Convert It:
>
> "Subarus and rotary Mazdas have a design that recesses the flywheel into
> the back of the engine. This requires a very thick and expensive
> adapter plate for the electric motor. For that reason, I don't
> recommend them."
>
> dated 1993. Subaru may have changed their design since then, but I'm
> not privy to that info.
>
> john
>
> Jim Coate wrote:
> > I seem to recall relatively recent talk of folks converting Subarus, yet
> > I can't find any examples in the EV Album or with Google, etc.
> >
> > So... has anyone converted a "modern" Subaru (ie Forester, etc)?
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:40:31 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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My 5 bumped it to 3.42
I'm surprised that it's so low.
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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:58:56 -0600
From: Bill Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I could be the way the question is worded: "Is this the GreenWheels
vehicle of the future?" When I voted (the 3.20 bump), it read to me as
though I were voting for the Killacycle to be the vehicle of the future,
instead of electricity being the fuel of the future.
Bill Dennis
Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> I'm surprised that it's so low.
>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:22:57 -0700
From: "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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3.44 and going up!
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Morgan LaMoore
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:41 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
My 5 bumped it to 3.42
I'm surprised that it's so low.
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:40:48 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] A123 Battery Feasibility
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I'm still back trying to discern the answer to the original question. Why
can't you just make buddy pairs or buddy strings of flooded batteries and
SLAs? It would seem that the high amperage demands would be filled from the
lower internal resistance SLAs and if their charge got lower than the
floodies, the floodies would serve to recharge the SLAs.
Charging the 2 strings separately might be necessary. I would think that if
you charged them while buddied, that the SLAs would charge first because of
their lower resistance. If you disconnected the buddies when the SLAs were
like 90% full, and continued to charge the flooded until they were full,
then when you reconnected the buddies, everything would balance out nicely.
So my question is, what is wrong with this picture? (For every complex
problem there is a simple, logical solution which is wrong.) I am tempted
to add a 144v string of SLAs to my 144V flooded pack, but if it is a stupid,
dangerous thing to do, I'd rather avoid the trouble and expense. It just
seems so simple and logical. Must be something wrong with it, but what?
On 9/2/07, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > <<<< If, as I suggested earlier, you connect the traction controller to
> > the high=power pack, and a low-power controller to the slightly-high
> > voltage floodie pack, you just need to charge the floodie pack and
> > let the low-power controller run the charge for the high-power pack.
> >
> > While you are driving down the road, the floodie pack
> > charges the high=power pack through the low-power controller. That
> > low-power controller is a slave to the BMS on the high-power pack.
> > When you charge, just leave the low-power controller on, and let it
> > do exactly what it was doing while you were driving. >>>>
> >
> > Could a boost converter be used to feed a high-power/high-voltage pack
> > from a lower-voltage pack of floodies? Don't know how efficient it
> > would be, but might be a nice way to have only 10 GC batteries feeding
> > a Zilla a full 156V!
>
> There are dozens of ways that this might work. But no one will know the
> "best" way to set it up until people actually start experimenting with it.
>
> But there are lots of subtle details to keep in mind. For instance, your
> "power" pack may well cost a lot more and have a much shorter life than
> your "range" pack. So, you may not want to use it too heavily because it
> would drive your battery cost-per-mile up to unreasonable levels.
>
> And, even though the "power" pack has a much lower internal resistance,
> its performance and efficiency are still limited. You may find that you
> lose so much efficiency from charging/discharging it for every stop and
> acceleration that the Peukert and resistive losses from the "range" pack
> would still have been less. Remember that few if any regenerative
> braking systems can recover even 50% of the energy.
>
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:32:22 -0400
From: "Jim Sylvester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
now 3.42
jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
>I was in the middle there someplace, my 5 a while ago bumped it to 3.18.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
>
>
>>
>> I got it up to 3.21 with my hi 5.
>>
>> Jeff M
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Derek, all
>>>
>>> I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16 average.
>>> Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
>>> hopefully others will pound you some more 5 votes.
>>>
>>> Keep up the great work!
>>>
>>> Cya
>>> Jim Husted
>>> Hi-Torque Electric
>>>
>>> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
>>> > KillaCycle in the Green
>>> > Wheels Poll.
>>> > http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
>>> > Please vote for electric as a fuel source.
>>> JDPowers
>>> > is going to
>>> > compile the data and award the most promising
>>> fuel.
>>> > This could have an
>>> > impact on what automakers do in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV TONIGHT!!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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another 5 and it is 3,44
says I have to wait 24 hrs to vote again?
kEVs
--- Jim Sylvester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> now 3.42
> jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV
> TONIGHT!!
>
>
> >I was in the middle there someplace, my 5 a while
> ago bumped it to 3.18.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillaCycle Racing Team on HDTV
> TONIGHT!!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I got it up to 3.21 with my hi 5.
> >>
> >> Jeff M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Jim Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Derek, all
> >>>
> >>> I just threw down my "5" vote for a 3.16
> average.
> >>> Just a tad lower than I would have thought so
> >>> hopefully others will pound you some more 5
> votes.
> >>>
> >>> Keep up the great work!
> >>>
> >>> Cya
> >>> Jim Husted
> >>> Hi-Torque Electric
> >>>
> >>> --- Derek Barger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Just to let everyone know. You can rate the
> >>> > KillaCycle in the Green
> >>> > Wheels Poll.
> >>> > http://www.jdpower.com/autos/poll/default.aspx
> >>> > Please vote for electric as a fuel source.
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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