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Today's Topics:
1. Anyone have really good video of the EV1? (Joseph Lado)
2. Re: Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a new
Nickname (Bill Dennis)
3. It only hurts when I laugh (was:Perhaps too much drama but
certainly worth of a new Nickname) (Bill Dube)
4. Re: It only hurts when I laugh (was:Perhaps too much drama
but certainly worth of a new Nickname) (Tim Humphrey)
5. KillBillACycle (Tim Humphrey)
6. Re: NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's trying
to make money. (GWMobile)
7. Re: It only hurts when I laugh (John A. Evans - N0HJ)
8. Re: Mavins motor?s bearings (Osmo S.)
9. Re: Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
newNickname (Alan Brinkman)
10. Nic-Name for Bill D. (Steven Lough)
11. Re: KillBillACycle (GWMobile)
12. Re: NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's trying
to make money. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
13. Re: KillBillACycle (Tim Humphrey)
14. Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award. (Lawrence Rhodes)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Lado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Anyone have really good video of the EV1?
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Does anyone have some really good stills or any high quality video
footage of the EV1. Any high quality PR type material or pics of the
car doing the auto show circuit or really good pictures of the EV1 on
the road. High Rez quality over 800X600 is what I am looking for. You
can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:22:14 -0600
From: Bill Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
new Nickname
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dube' Away!
David Dymaxion wrote:
> Mighty glad you are OK Bill! I'm also glad the path ahead of you was clear of
> people. There's a saying that "any press is good press," hopefully that is a
> silver lining here.
>
> It's black humor at its finest/worst, but since Bill is OK forging ahead
> fearlessly:
>
> KillBillACycle
>
> Bill the Bullet
>
> The Green Arrow (rats, already taken!)
>
> Blastoff Bill
>
> (The other suggestion of "Burnout Bill" I think is the best one so far.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:30:43 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] It only hurts when I laugh (was:Perhaps too much drama
but certainly worth of a new Nickname)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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This is really funny.
KillBillaCycle was priceless. LOL ROTFL (or should it be ROTPL?)
Bill Dube'
At 11:11 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote:
>Mighty glad you are OK Bill! I'm also glad the path ahead of you was
>clear of people. There's a saying that "any press is good press,"
>hopefully that is a silver lining here.
>
>It's black humor at its finest/worst, but since Bill is OK forging
>ahead fearlessly:
>
>KillBillACycle
>
>Bill the Bullet
>
>The Green Arrow (rats, already taken!)
>
>Blastoff Bill
>
>(The other suggestion of "Burnout Bill" I think is the best one so far.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:42:49 -0600
From: Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It only hurts when I laugh (was:Perhaps too much
drama but certainly worth of a new Nickname)
To: EV <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I also got a roar out of that one. But didn't you mean LOL LOOTPL (Laid Out On
The Pavement Laughing).
Glad to hear you're OK!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Bill Dube
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:31 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: [EVDL] It only hurts when I laugh (was:Perhaps too much drama
> but certainly worth of a new Nickname)
>
> This is really funny.
>
> KillBillaCycle was priceless. LOL ROTFL (or should it be
> ROTPL?)
>
> Bill Dube'
>
>
> At 11:11 AM 9/14/2007, you wrote:
>>Mighty glad you are OK Bill! I'm also glad the path ahead of you was
>>clear of people. There's a saying that "any press is good press,"
>>hopefully that is a silver lining here.
>>
>>It's black humor at its finest/worst, but since Bill is OK forging
>>ahead fearlessly:
>>
>>KillBillACycle
>>
>>Bill the Bullet
>>
>>The Green Arrow (rats, already taken!)
>>
>>Blastoff Bill
>>
>>(The other suggestion of "Burnout Bill" I think is the best one so
> far.)
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:49:52 -0600
From: Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] KillBillACycle
To: EV <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Is it just me, or does anyone else have a weird feeling that Bill will be on
Leno tonite?
"This bike can go 0-60 in less than a second.........See!! Betcha didn't
believe me!!"
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:49:43 -0700
From: GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's
trying to make money.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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This was just on the national news as well.
It is not merely an internet hoax.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 3:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The video shows some sort of flame. There is nothing proving that the
> salt water is burning. It would be a trivial matter to add clear
> chemicals to make it burn.
>
> In any case, we can already break water into H2 and O2 with
> electrolysis
> with decent efficiency (depends on process used). There's no point to
> using a lot of electricity to make a little flame on site, the
> electricity could drive motors with many times the effectiveness. If
> it
> was more efficient than electrolysis and the H2 could be extracted
> without burning for storage, it would have some uses. Seems unlikely,
> making RF energy from electricity alone is not an extremely high
> efficiency process.
>
> BTW, people have made fun plasmoids in your standard home microwave
> simply by putting a match in there that was just blown out and still
> smoldering- the microwave energy turns the smoke into a glowing,
> animated plasma. Lots of neat net videos. There's other fantastic
> tricks that can be done with cut grapes and such. Yet despite being
> flashy, it doesn't constitute a power source.
>
> Danny
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:26 pm
> Subject: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's trying
> to make money.
> To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
> Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>
>> I seriously doubt they are getting more energy out than they are
>> puttingin, but the burning "salt water" appears to be FACT not
>> fiction.
>> Rustum Roy is actually on the board at Penn State University, there
>> is a
>> link on the Penn state website to Dr Roy's website. That website
>> has a
>> link to a video showing the Hydrogen burning.
>>
>> I'm quite certain that they aren't getting any over unity reaction
>> here,but they are using radio waves to separate hydrogen from salt
>> water and
>> then igniting the hydrogen.
>>
>> > Below is what sounds like the answer to our prayers. However it
>> may be a
>> > hoax or a lie designed to filtch investors. This kind of free or
>> amazing> energy source comes up every once in a while on this list
>> so the below
>> > article is a textbook example of what I call feeding the pigeons.
>> We all
>> > are the pigeons. One tip off is time and money will be needed to
>> prove> the
>> > process. The other is the question of weather the radio
>> frequency power
>> > input is offset by the power output of the flame of (chuckle)
>> burning salt
>> > water. If you see something like this below turn on your bs
>> detector. No
>> > offense to Remy or the ET list. He is just passing along
>> information from
>> > many sources. He lets you make the decision as to the truth of the
>> > articles. In the past EV list members have ferreted out lies.
>> So keep
>> > your
>> > money in your pocket and make sure devices or other methods of
>> fuel are
>> > proven before investing. Lawrence Rhodes....
>> >
>> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
>> > Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > cleannewworld
>> > Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:20 am ((PDT))
>> >
>> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
>> > Sunday, September 09, 2007
>> > By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
>> >
>> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
>> >
>> > For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt water
>> couldn't> be burned.
>> >
>> > So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the
>> > radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a
>> hoax.>
>> > John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate
>> seawater> with
>> > a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash
>> in the
>> > test
>> > tube.
>> >
>> > Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like
>> a candle,
>> > as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.
>> >
>> > His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the
>> world's most
>> > abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.
>> >
>> > Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration
>> last> week
>> > at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State
>> College, to
>> > confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.
>> >
>> > "It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum,
>> don't be
>> > fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "
>> >
>> > But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.
>> >
>> > Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite
>> appearances. The
>> > radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the
>> constituents> of
>> > salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and
>> releases the
>> > hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to
>> the RF
>> > energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured the
>> flame's> temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit,
>> reflecting an
>> > enormous
>> > energy output.
>> >
>> > As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research
>> Laboratory> and
>> > expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery represents
>> "the> most
>> > remarkable in water science in 100 years."
>> >
>> > But researching its potential will take time and money, he said. One
>> > immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF
>> generator uses
>> > vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.
>> >
>> > Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S. Department of
>> > Energy
>> > and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the
>> discovery> and seek research funding.
>> >
>> > Mr. Kanzius said he powered a Stirling, or hot air, engine with salt
>> > water.
>> > But whether the system can power a car or be used as an efficient
>> fuel> will
>> > depend on research results.
>> >
>> > "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it
>> > leads,"
>> > Dr. Roy said. "The potential is huge.
>> >
>> > "In the life sciences, the role of water is infinite, and this
>> guy is
>> > doing
>> > something new in using the most important and most abundant
>> material on
>> > the
>> > face of the earth."
>> > Mr. Kanzius' discovery was an accident.
>> >
>> > He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His
>> research in
>> > targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then
>> destroying them
>> > with
>> > radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh
>> Medical> Center
>> > and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center in
>> Houston.>
>> > Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for
>> > publication
>> > in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.
>> >
>> > While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated
>> > nanoparticles,
>> > someone noted condensation inside the test tube and suggested he
>> try using
>> > his equipment to desalinate water.
>> >
>> > So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then
>> trained his
>> > machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and
>> laboratory> owners struck a match and ignited the water, which
>> continued burning as
>> > long
>> > as it remained in the radio-frequency field.
>> >
>> > During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot enough
>> to melt
>> > the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week
>> provided> further evidence that the process is releasing and
>> burning hydrogen from
>> > the
>> > water. Tests on different water solutions and concentrations
>> produced> various temperatures and flame colors.
>> >
>> > "This is the most abundant element in the world. It is
>> everywhere," Dr.
>> > Roy
>> > said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."
>> >
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:34:28 -0600
From: "John A. Evans - N0HJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] It only hurts when I laugh
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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And, as a warning to us all - Don't be a Dube !! ;)
just teasin'
john
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:15:39 +0300
From: "Osmo S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Mavins motor?s bearings
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> battery EV. What type of bearing is on the other end
> of your motor?
Jeff,
good to hear your experiences. So I will replace the originals with
the sealed ones. There is some difference in the clearance though:
the original (C4H) has a 0.040 - 0.051 mm clearance while the sealed
one (C4) has 0.030 - 0.051 mm. I suppose that is ok.
The two bearings are identical. The original tranny/differential oil
was ment to lubricate both.
Any good tips how to get the work done easily? Should I cool the
rotor in a fridge first, then heat the bearing before pulling it off?
Osmo
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:19:41 -0700
From: "Alan Brinkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
newNickname
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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OK guys, gals, this thread is getting a little out of hand.
Mr. Dube is a hard working, well respected, highly educated, inventive
individual who has consistently gone that extra mile to further the
cause.
As was previously suggested, a respectable nickname such as Sir Bill
should be considered.
Or, better yet, Mr. Bill.
Oooohhhh Nnnnoooooooo, Mr. Bill!!!!
Watch out for the................
(I couldn't resist the "Saturday Nite Live" reference, Mr. Bill was a
character made out of clay that would get into some pickles).
Seriously now, I am glad to see that you are o.k. and that your machine
is very much repairable.
Alan
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rod Hower
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:12 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Perhaps too much drama but certainly worth of a
newNickname
KillaBill ?
Rocketman
roadside bomb
crashtest dummy :-)
Glad your well Bill, they should of put a chalk line
around your body when you were laid out :-)
--- dale henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 'blunt bill'
>
> --- Marty Hewes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Projectile Bill?
> > Sir Bill? Out slaying ICE minivan dragons (snip)
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:23:08 -0700
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Nic-Name for Bill D.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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How about "Spillin-Bill-in"
or "Bill-in-Spill-in"
Oh... by the way, Seems I remember another incident with a high powered
2 wheeler. Wasn't it Woodburn Portland, late at night in the Motel
Parking Lot. Some one gave him a scooter on steroids, and when he hit
the throttle too hard, went over back wards.. Was that Bill ?? or
Dennis B. Cant Remember.
I had a turn at the same scooter, but LEEEeeeanned WAY forward as I hit
the throttle... I think Roy LeMeur had something to do with it...
Glad your OK Bill.....
--
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Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:17:33 -0700
From: GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillBillACycle
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If someone called leno's show I'll bet they would schedule him. They
love that sort of stuff and no one ever calls them to tell them the
human interest stories so they always get stuck with booking the same
old celebs huckstering the same old movies.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:53 am, Tim Humphrey wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or does anyone else have a weird feeling that Bill will
> be on Leno tonite?
>
>
> "This bike can go 0-60 in less than a second.........See!! Betcha
> didn't believe me!!"
>
>
> --
> Stay Charged!
> Hump
> I-5, Blossvale NY
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:38:02 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's
trying to make money.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
News reporters are not rocket scientists, far from it. They've been
duped over and over by impossible claims.
Tilley EV got picked up by the news a few times, YouTube carries a Fox
News story on the Aquygen (HHO) guy who did a few real-world
hydrogen-oxygen welding tricks and then said he could run a car on
water. And let's not forget Steorn had a big ad in The Economist to buy
themselves some apparent legitimacy.
Making a lie into a BIGGER lie does nothing to increase their
credibility. Scientific verification and a real explanation would do
it. I'd believe it if someone proved that fusion were occurring, very
unlikely but not completely impossible. This would be easy enough for a
real lab to verify fairly quickly.
Without fusion, his claims are basically useless unless he can show it
can make H2 with greater efficiency than electrolysis. He makes no
claims in this area.
Danny
----- Original Message -----
From: GWMobile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's
trying to make money.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This was just on the national news as well.
>
> It is not merely an internet hoax.
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 3:09 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > The video shows some sort of flame. There is nothing proving
> that the
> > salt water is burning. It would be a trivial matter to add clear
> > chemicals to make it burn.
> >
> > In any case, we can already break water into H2 and O2 with
> > electrolysis
> > with decent efficiency (depends on process used). There's no
> point to
> > using a lot of electricity to make a little flame on site, the
> > electricity could drive motors with many times the effectiveness.
> If
> > it
> > was more efficient than electrolysis and the H2 could be extracted
> > without burning for storage, it would have some uses. Seems
> unlikely,> making RF energy from electricity alone is not an
> extremely high
> > efficiency process.
> >
> > BTW, people have made fun plasmoids in your standard home microwave
> > simply by putting a match in there that was just blown out and still
> > smoldering- the microwave energy turns the smoke into a glowing,
> > animated plasma. Lots of neat net videos. There's other fantastic
> > tricks that can be done with cut grapes and such. Yet despite being
> > flashy, it doesn't constitute a power source.
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:26 pm
> > Subject: [EVDL] NOT A HOAX!! Re: How to spot a hoax or someone's
> trying> to make money.
> > To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
> > Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> >
> >> I seriously doubt they are getting more energy out than they are
> >> puttingin, but the burning "salt water" appears to be FACT not
> >> fiction.
> >> Rustum Roy is actually on the board at Penn State University,
> there>> is a
> >> link on the Penn state website to Dr Roy's website. That website
> >> has a
> >> link to a video showing the Hydrogen burning.
> >>
> >> I'm quite certain that they aren't getting any over unity reaction
> >> here,but they are using radio waves to separate hydrogen from salt
> >> water and
> >> then igniting the hydrogen.
> >>
> >> > Below is what sounds like the answer to our prayers. However it
> >> may be a
> >> > hoax or a lie designed to filtch investors. This kind of
> free or
> >> amazing> energy source comes up every once in a while on this list
> >> so the below
> >> > article is a textbook example of what I call feeding the
> pigeons.>> We all
> >> > are the pigeons. One tip off is time and money will be
> needed to
> >> prove> the
> >> > process. The other is the question of weather the radio
> >> frequency power
> >> > input is offset by the power output of the flame of (chuckle)
> >> burning salt
> >> > water. If you see something like this below turn on your bs
> >> detector. No
> >> > offense to Remy or the ET list. He is just passing along
> >> information from
> >> > many sources. He lets you make the decision as to the truth
> of the
> >> > articles. In the past EV list members have ferreted out lies.
> >> So keep
> >> > your
> >> > money in your pocket and make sure devices or other methods of
> >> fuel are
> >> > proven before investing. Lawrence Rhodes....
> >> >
> >> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> >> > Posted by: "Remy Chevalier" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > cleannewworld
> >> > Date: Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:20 am ((PDT))
> >> >
> >> > Salt water as fuel? Erie man hopes so
> >> > Sunday, September 09, 2007
> >> > By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
> >> >
> >> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm
> >> >
> >> > For obvious reasons, scientists long have thought that salt
> water>> couldn't> be burned.
> >> >
> >> > So when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the
> >> > radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a
> was a
> >> hoax.>
> >> > John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate
> >> seawater> with
> >> > a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash
> >> in the
> >> > test
> >> > tube.
> >> >
> >> > Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like
> >> a candle,
> >> > as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.
> >> >
> >> > His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the
> >> world's most
> >> > abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.
> >> >
> >> > Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a
> demonstration>> last> week
> >> > at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State
> >> College, to
> >> > confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.
> >> >
> >> > "It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum,
> >> don't be
> >> > fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "
> >> >
> >> > But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite
> >> appearances. The
> >> > radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the
> >> constituents> of
> >> > salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and
> >> releases the
> >> > hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when
> exposed to
> >> the RF
> >> > energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured
> the>> flame's> temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit,
> >> reflecting an
> >> > enormous
> >> > energy output.
> >> >
> >> > As such, Dr. Roy, a founding member of the Materials Research
> >> Laboratory> and
> >> > expert in water structure, said Mr. Kanzius' discovery
> represents>> "the> most
> >> > remarkable in water science in 100 years."
> >> >
> >> > But researching its potential will take time and money, he
> said. One
> >> > immediate question is energy efficiency: The energy the RF
> >> generator uses
> >> > vs. the energy output from burning hydrogen.
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S.
> Department of
> >> > Energy
> >> > and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the
> >> discovery> and seek research funding.
> >> >
> >> > Mr. Kanzius said he powered a Stirling, or hot air, engine
> with salt
> >> > water.
> >> > But whether the system can power a car or be used as an
> efficient>> fuel> will
> >> > depend on research results.
> >> >
> >> > "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see
> where it
> >> > leads,"
> >> > Dr. Roy said. "The potential is huge.
> >> >
> >> > "In the life sciences, the role of water is infinite, and this
> >> guy is
> >> > doing
> >> > something new in using the most important and most abundant
> >> material on
> >> > the
> >> > face of the earth."
> >> > Mr. Kanzius' discovery was an accident.
> >> >
> >> > He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His
> >> research in
> >> > targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then
> >> destroying them
> >> > with
> >> > radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh
> >> Medical> Center
> >> > and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center in
> >> Houston.>
> >> > Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for
> >> > publication
> >> > in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.
> >> >
> >> > While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated
> >> > nanoparticles,
> >> > someone noted condensation inside the test tube and suggested he
> >> try using
> >> > his equipment to desalinate water.
> >> >
> >> > So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then
> >> trained his
> >> > machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and
> >> laboratory> owners struck a match and ignited the water, which
> >> continued burning as
> >> > long
> >> > as it remained in the radio-frequency field.
> >> >
> >> > During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot
> enough>> to melt
> >> > the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week
> >> provided> further evidence that the process is releasing and
> >> burning hydrogen from
> >> > the
> >> > water. Tests on different water solutions and concentrations
> >> produced> various temperatures and flame colors.
> >> >
> >> > "This is the most abundant element in the world. It is
> >> everywhere," Dr.
> >> > Roy
> >> > said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."
> >> >
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:41:38 -0600
From: Tim Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillBillACycle
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Yeah what happened... Carson used to have "normal" people on all the time.
I believe someone on this list has Jay's personal contact info (Rod?). Maybe
give jay the heads-up that Bill's in the area. Of course I really don't think
they do impromptu stuff like that.
I was thinking more like there'd be mention of him in the monologue.
Bill, would you happen to know where I could get my hands on some slightly used
A123 cells for my drag-snomobile? Scratched and dented would be acceptable of
course.!
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
I-5, Blossvale NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of GWMobile
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 2:18 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] KillBillACycle
>
> If someone called leno's show I'll bet they would schedule him. They
> love that sort of stuff and no one ever calls them to tell them the
> human interest stories so they always get stuck with booking the same
> old celebs huckstering the same old movies.
>
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:53 am, Tim Humphrey wrote:
>>
>> Is it just me, or does anyone else have a weird feeling that Bill will
>
>> be on Leno tonite?
>>
>>
>> "This bike can go 0-60 in less than a second.........See!! Betcha
>> didn't believe me!!"
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stay Charged!
>> Hump
>>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:57:23 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Bill Dube nominated for Darwin Award.
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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They gave me a few stitches on a cut on my head, and
> > bandaids here
> > and there, and then I walked several blocks back to
> > the convention
> > center, feeling like an idiot. :-\
> >
> > Bill D. (the idiot)
> *********************************
Well Bill I think that says it all. I'm sure you won't get on that bike
again without a helmet and a real course in front of you. It certainly is a
lesson to all of us experimenting with EV's. After seeing the video and
having that sinking feeling when you were laying on your back I am so glad
Killacycle didn't live up to its name. Uhhh I'm feeling a little guilty but
I nominated you for a Darwin Award. Lawrence Rhodes.......Real smart people
do screw up, but it's at a higher level.
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