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Today's Topics:
1. Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (Paul Wujek)
2. Re: Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (Paul Wujek)
3. Re: Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (Michael Mohlere)
4. Re: spot price of lead (Michael Mohlere)
5. Re: Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (R Patterson)
6. Re: spot price of lead (ampaynz1)
7. Re: Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (storm connors)
8. Re: Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs (Marty Hewes)
9. Re: Electric Power Steering (Roland Wiench)
10. Re: Electric Power Steering (Mark Ward)
11. Re: spot price of lead (Zeke Yewdall)
12. Re: Open source controller design (storm connors)
13. Re: Electric Power Steering (TrotFox Greyfoot)
14. Re: OT spot price of lead (Peter Eckhoff)
15. Re: Electric Power Steering (Mark Dutko)
16. LiFePO4 Battery Showdown! (Ian Hooper)
17. Re: LiFePO4 Battery Showdown! (Kaido Kert)
18. Re: LiFePO4 Battery Showdown! (Bill Dube)
19. Re: Electric Power Steering (Ricky Suiter)
20. Re: LiFePO4 Battery Showdown! (Ian Hooper)
21. Re: Electric Power Steering ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
22. Re: Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV (Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins)
23. Re: Electric Power Steering (Tehben Dean)
24. Re: Electric Power Steering (TrotFox Greyfoot)
25. Re: Electric EVette (Jim L)
26. Electric EVette (Tom S.)
27. Re: Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV (Morgan LaMoore)
28. Re: Electric EVette (Bruce Weisenberger)
29. Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV (Marvin Campbell)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:56:39 +0000
From: Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: EV List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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US $35,000 converted Smarts with lithium battery packs:
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=9412
Now if I only had some cash....
--
Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:06:52 +0000
From: Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Paul Wujek wrote:
> US $35,000 converted Smarts with lithium battery packs:
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=9412
>
> Now if I only had some cash....
>
>
Oh well, I read through their information more carefully, apparently
there is only '1' car available, total.
To quote the purchasing instructions:
The first person to complete a wire transfer of $35,000 United States
Currency as a deposit after 12:00 p.m., November 8, 2007, and finalizes
the purchasing requirements with Hybrid Technologies will be the
purchaser and own the ?Lithium Powered Electric Car.?
--
Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:17:35 -0700
From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Are you sure they are going to sell those vehicles?? The article looks
like an advertisement for an adventure vacation.....
On 10/8/07, Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> US $35,000 converted Smarts with lithium battery packs:
>
> http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?catg=9412
>
> Now if I only had some cash....
>
> --
> Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
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Michael Mohlere
My EV: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/296.html
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 05:19:34 -0700
From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] spot price of lead
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I'll bite, what does "5.56 NATO" translate to in layman's terms....??
On 10/7/07, Hunter Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You find a way to make that old dead cell into 5.56 NATO, and I think
> you'll have a buyer at well above the spot price ;-)
>
> On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 22:08 -0500, R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> > Just pulled my first bad battery.
> >
> > "It's dead Jim."
> >
> > It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> > to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> > the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> > 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> > going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> > climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
> >
> > Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> > stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> > every day to get them exercised.
> >
> > R. M. Milliron
> >
> > 1981 Jet Electrica
> > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
> >
> > This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> > I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> > my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> > electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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> _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:50:34 -0400
From: "R Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Ouch, "$35000 US Currency as a deposit", makes you wonder what the
final purchase price is if $35000 is the deposit?
> The first person to complete a wire transfer of $35,000 United States
> Currency as a deposit after 12:00 p.m., November 8, 2007, and finalizes
> the purchasing requirements with Hybrid Technologies will be the
> purchaser and own the "Lithium Powered Electric Car."
>
> --
> Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
> _______________________________________________
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--Napoleon Bonaparte--
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:13:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: ampaynz1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] spot price of lead
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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So would it make sense to start collecting dead car batteries when I can spot
one. I've seen them around various dumpsters. Now it would be necessary to
extract all the lead and melt it down into a pure form to make its value
increase. Testing this could be done roughly by measuring the density.
Melting temp of lead is 621 ?F. When a person has one ton of pure lead
melted down into square cubes of say 50lbs each. How does one go about
selling it and to who? Now the money made can be used to buy a new battery
pack for the EV vehicle. I looked up the exact price for Standard Lead and
it is $1994.50 USD / metric ton and that is from the LME exchange and 1
Metric Ton = 2204.6 Pounds. So 60lbs on lead is worth $54.28 based on
october 8th trading data. Sam's club in SW florida still sells their 6 V
flooded for like $61 + $9 core + $1.50 extra state tax, then you get 6%
state tax.
As a side note its competitor Nickel is $50,495 USD / Tonne and thats an
increase over lead by 25.3 X cost in weight.
Andrew Payne
R. Matt Milliron wrote:
>
>
> Just pulled my first bad battery.
>
> "It's dead Jim."
>
> It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
>
> Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> every day to get them exercised.
>
> R. M. Milliron
>
> 1981 Jet Electrica
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
>
> This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:21:38 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It sounds like they are doing a market test. Who is really interested in
owning an electric Smart? This is what GM should be doing. Accepting a large
deposit for a waiting list for the Volt. Find out if there really is a
market. I think their marketting folks would be amazed how many people are
ready to buy.
On 10/8/07, R Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ouch, "$35000 US Currency as a deposit", makes you wonder what the
> final purchase price is if $35000 is the deposit?
>
>
> > The first person to complete a wire transfer of $35,000 United States
> > Currency as a deposit after 12:00 p.m., November 8, 2007, and finalizes
> > the purchasing requirements with Hybrid Technologies will be the
> > purchaser and own the "Lithium Powered Electric Car."
> >
> > --
> > Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > For subscription options, see
> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> >
>
>
> --
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> --Napoleon Bonaparte--
>
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Storm
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:46:52 -0500
From: "Marty Hewes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I think it's mainly a stunt to try to get people to go to the site (it
worked, didn't it), and to try to gain some noteriety by copying Needless
Markup's (Neiman Markus) tradition of offering an over the top item in their
Christmas catalog. Needless Markup has been doing it for years as a
publicity stunt. If it were market research, I'd think they couldn't bundle
the EV with a vacation which makes it impossible to figure out what people
would pay for just the EV. They might be surprised with Tesla having dulled
the sticker shock.
I'm glad they chose an EV for this stunt, but it's just one, I can't drop by
my neighborhood Sams and buy one or even put my name on a waiting list. So
it's not a big C02 solution. I wonder if they will have any way to see how
many people try to buy it?
----- Original Message -----
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Walmart (Sam's Club) to be selling EVs
> It sounds like they are doing a market test. Who is really interested in
> owning an electric Smart? This is what GM should be doing. Accepting a
> large
> deposit for a waiting list for the Volt. Find out if there really is a
> market. I think their marketting folks would be amazed how many people are
> ready to buy.
>
> On 10/8/07, R Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Ouch, "$35000 US Currency as a deposit", makes you wonder what the
>> final purchase price is if $35000 is the deposit?
>>
>>
>> > The first person to complete a wire transfer of $35,000 United States
>> > Currency as a deposit after 12:00 p.m., November 8, 2007, and finalizes
>> > the purchasing requirements with Hybrid Technologies will be the
>> > purchaser and own the "Lithium Powered Electric Car."
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > For subscription options, see
>> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Victory belongs to the most persevering.
>> --Napoleon Bonaparte--
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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>
>
>
> --
> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1059
> http://stormselectric.blogspot.com/
> Storm
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:50:42 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hello Tehben,
I look at these electric steering column and/or electric units that replace
the steering rack which can be purchase from hot rod shops. These units
require a front frame modification and relocation of my front suspension
A-arms, because the diameter of this unit is larger than the stock steering.
It would be ok, if a person builds a car from ground up and detail it to
match these chrome or polish stainless steel units. The power rack it self
cost about $2500.00 for the lower unit that replaces the a rack and pinion
type of steering. I think the column unit ran that much too.
My existing steering rack sets low and has to swing below the motor which is
inline with the transmission, so this type of unit would not work for me.
I am using canev.com power steering unit. The pump has to be mounted in a
vertical plane with the oil reservoir mounted above the pump. If you mount
this pump directly to a frame member with out any vibration dampers, then it
will be noisy. The pumps come mounted on dampers on a bracket which I then
mounted to a 1/4 thick by 6 inch wide bracket with another set of rubber
dampers, and than mounted the aluminum bracket to the frame with another set
of dampers.
If I have the hood open and only have the pump running, there is a low hum
from it. The main motor running, two water pumps, four fans, vacuum pump
motors, accessory drive motors, transmission gears, and the tires rolling
over rough surface streets, make way more noise.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV mail list" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
> Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
> I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
> steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
> It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
> electrohydraulic power steering pump.
> Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
> then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
> experimented with something like that...
>
> --
> Tehben
> '90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
> 'hElix EV'
> Website: www.helixev.com
> evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 6:53:55 -0700
From: Mark Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I researched a lot of different solutions for the power steering and in the end
could not come up with anything more efficient than the original steering pump.
Under normal driving it puts almost no load on the motor until you go into a
turn. With the reduced weight on the front of the car the steering turns
effortlessly. When traveling straight down the road there is no loss to the
12v battery and no need to have two DC converters like some Ever's just to keep
up with the extra loads.
Was it a lot of work re-designing the serpentine drive? You bet! But I am
pleased with the results.
Mark Ward
95 Saab 900 "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
---- Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
> I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
> steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
> It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
> electrohydraulic power steering pump.
> Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
> then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
> experimented with something like that...
>
> --
> Tehben
> '90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
> 'hElix EV'
> Website: www.helixev.com
> evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:55:37 -0600
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] spot price of lead
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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We just took a pallet of used batteries (24 L-16's and a few T-105's)
to a recycler, and he gave us $0.60/lb on the spot. About $380 for
the pallet. Not bad, considering that lead isn't even all the weight
in a battery.
Z
On 10/8/07, ampaynz1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So would it make sense to start collecting dead car batteries when I can spot
> one. I've seen them around various dumpsters. Now it would be necessary to
> extract all the lead and melt it down into a pure form to make its value
> increase. Testing this could be done roughly by measuring the density.
> Melting temp of lead is 621 ?F. When a person has one ton of pure lead
> melted down into square cubes of say 50lbs each. How does one go about
> selling it and to who? Now the money made can be used to buy a new battery
> pack for the EV vehicle. I looked up the exact price for Standard Lead and
> it is $1994.50 USD / metric ton and that is from the LME exchange and 1
> Metric Ton = 2204.6 Pounds. So 60lbs on lead is worth $54.28 based on
> october 8th trading data. Sam's club in SW florida still sells their 6 V
> flooded for like $61 + $9 core + $1.50 extra state tax, then you get 6%
> state tax.
> As a side note its competitor Nickel is $50,495 USD / Tonne and thats an
> increase over lead by 25.3 X cost in weight.
> Andrew Payne
>
>
>
> R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just pulled my first bad battery.
> >
> > "It's dead Jim."
> >
> > It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
> > to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
> > the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
> > 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
> > going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
> > climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
> >
> > Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
> > stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
> > every day to get them exercised.
> >
> > R. M. Milliron
> >
> > 1981 Jet Electrica
> > http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
> >
> > This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
> > I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
> > my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
> > electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > For subscription options, see
> > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/spot-price-of-lead-tf4581897s25542.html#a13096240
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> Nabble.com.
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:57:25 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Open source controller design
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Don't forget the Raptor.
On 10/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Lee, why are you wasting time on your day job? You don't really
> need
> > to pay the rent or put food on the table. Fasting is good for the sole.
> >
> > Quit your day job and spend all of your time developing controllers for
> > cheep ass freeloaders. Oh, and finish up the Sunrise.
> >
> > I'm sure you can last two months or so before you starve and they kick
> you
> > out of your house. Plenty of time to do all this free work for others
> and
> > save them a bundle of money, and that is what is really important.
> >
> > So stop wasting your time trying to give them usefull advice.
> >
> > No seriously, stop wasting your time, and the list bandwidth, on these
> > cretins.
> >
>
> Controllers, controllers, controllers. Every EV has one, everyone wants
> one, but only two current EV Discussion List members (that I know of) have
> successfully designed, manufactured and marketed a controller through
> their own company:
>
> http://www.cafeelectric.com/ and
>
> http://russcoev.com/drivesystem.html
>
> Controller design is no easy task. I recently needed a controller that
> would not only motor Orange Juicer II, but provide field excitation for
> regenerative braking. So, I built my own controller. Took two months of
> work in between charger production. Cost me $11,600 for my time---for a
> $2000 controller. But it performs well and meets my needs.
>
> Designing the electronics for a controller is difficult, but the
> mechanical layout is 10 times more difficult. It may take three minutes
> to drill and tap a 10-32 through hole in 3/8 aluminum, but deciding where
> to drill the hole may take half an hour. Such is development.
>
> As promised, I have a picture of the inside of the controller on the
> Russco website:
>
> http://www.russcoev.com/oj_motor_controller.html
>
> Russ Kaufmann
>
> RUSSCO Engineering
>
> http://www.russcoev.com
>
> The Other PFC Charger With Built In GFCI
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:58:18 -0400
From: "TrotFox Greyfoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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FYI, the Honda Insight uses a fully electric powered rack. My wife's
Saturn Vue uses a servo on the column under the dash to provide power
assist. At first glance it seems to be driving through a worm
arrangement since the motor mounts nearly 90 degrees from the column.
I have also heard of an Acura PS unit that was electric assist but I
don't know what models that is used on.
Trot, the type-ative, fox...
On 10/8/07, Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
> I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
> steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
> It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
> electrohydraulic power steering pump.
> Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
> then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
> experimented with something like that...
>
> --
> Tehben
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:35:53 -0400
From: Peter Eckhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT spot price of lead
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Depends on which end of the rifle barrel you're located...
I'd rather have the lead in an EV.
Michael Mohlere wrote:
> I'll bite, what does "5.56 NATO" translate to in layman's terms....??
>
> On 10/7/07, Hunter Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> You find a way to make that old dead cell into 5.56 NATO, and I think
>> you'll have a buyer at well above the spot price ;-)
>>
>> On Sat, 2007-10-06 at 22:08 -0500, R. Matt Milliron wrote:
>>
>>> Just pulled my first bad battery.
>>>
>>> "It's dead Jim."
>>>
>>> It did not survive the two year enforced hibernation/wait for my car
>>> to get running. The replacement battery is now twice what I paid for
>>> the original. I checked the price for new lead just now. Spot is
>>> 1.65 American. That makes the lead in the 65 pound battery that is
>>> going to cost me $80, worth $99. At the rate metal prices are
>>> climbing it won't be long till lithium is cheaper than flooded.
>>>
>>> Other wise the other nine batteries are doing well and getting
>>> stronger every day. I am driving the car into town (6.6 miles total)
>>> every day to get them exercised.
>>>
>>> R. M. Milliron
>>>
>>> 1981 Jet Electrica
>>> http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
>>>
>>> This machine has been garaged for 17 years.
>>> I am upgrading it and getting it running. Tabitha,
>>> my daughter, named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black,
>>> electric and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
>>>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:56:18 -0700
From: Mark Dutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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My Yaris has a small motor right on the column, it is totally silent
and the steering feel is amazing, there is a torque sensor and it is
speed sensitive and the power used is insignificant.
M
On Oct 8, 2007, at 12:37 AM, Mike Willmon wrote:
> Thats a good question. I've never see full electric power steering
> units. What kinds of cars use them? Are they just a servo
> motor with a gear box? I have heard the electro-hydraulic units
> (like from a Toyota MR2) are kinda noisy. Not bad if you have an
> engine to drown out the pump motor. But in a quite EV you'll
> definitely notice.
>
> I'm going with the Armstron Power Steering unit in my truck. Maybe
> if you were to go through that much trouble you could adapt a
> Rack-and-Pinion unit to your truck and leave it manual.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Tehben Dean
>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:10 PM
>> To: EV mail list
>> Subject: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
>>
>>
>> Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
>> I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
>> steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
>> It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
>> electrohydraulic power steering pump.
>> Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
>> then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
>> experimented with something like that...
>>
>> --
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>> '90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
>> 'hElix EV'
>> Website: www.helixev.com
>> evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:21:12 +0800
From: Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] LiFePO4 Battery Showdown!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>,
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Hi all,
Well, I've finally got around to writing up the results of LOTS of
LiFePO4 battery testing I've been doing over the last few weeks. I've
been testing five different cells, an assortment of 18650s and 26650s
from PHET, Huanyu, Valence and A123Systems. So without further ado..
http://zeva.com.au/tech/LiFePO4.php
I've also included details of the test bench including circuit
diagram for the electronics and the source/project files for the test
software, in case anyone else wants to build their own "battery
tester on a shoestring"! Please let me know if you see any errors or
if anything requires further clarfiication. :)
Kind regards,
Ian Hooper
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:17:48 +0300
From: "Kaido Kert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 Battery Showdown!
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 10/8/07, Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Well, I've finally got around to writing up the results of LOTS of
> LiFePO4 battery testing I've been doing over the last few weeks. I've
> been testing five different cells, an assortment of 18650s and 26650s
> from PHET, Huanyu, Valence and A123Systems. So without further ado..
>
> http://zeva.com.au/tech/LiFePO4.php
>
> Ian Hooper
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Thank you !
This is very valuable data for everyone in this list, so great kudos
for making this available !
-kert
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:42:27 -0600
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 Battery Showdown!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Great job. This sort of study is a ton of work and it is important to
have an independent test of the available cells.
I didn't quite understand all the test parameters for the regen test.
I have HAMMERED the A123 cells in charge on the bench without any ill
effects. The starting SOC matters, of course. You wouldn't be able to
push in big amps much over 90% SOC. Also, these cells have REALLY
high charge efficiency, so you can reach 90% SOC pretty quickly.
Bill Dube'
At 09:21 AM 10/8/2007, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Well, I've finally got around to writing up the results of LOTS of
>LiFePO4 battery testing I've been doing over the last few weeks. I've
>been testing five different cells, an assortment of 18650s and 26650s
>from PHET, Huanyu, Valence and A123Systems. So without further ado..
>
>http://zeva.com.au/tech/LiFePO4.php
>
>I've also included details of the test bench including circuit
>diagram for the electronics and the source/project files for the test
>software, in case anyone else wants to build their own "battery
>tester on a shoestring"! Please let me know if you see any errors or
>if anything requires further clarfiication. :)
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Ian Hooper
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I've considered this as well. As far as I know a
transplant hasn't been done, but should be doable with
some custom work. The only ones I've had personal
experience with are from Honda's, but they look
decently transplantable. It's basically a rack and
pinion with an electric motor attached, it senses your
steering input and helps twist one way or the other
accordingly.
The setup is the rack with the motor and the control
module and associated connectors which would be
important to get. This will draw a decent amount of
current most likely, I believe my Insight's was on a
70A fuse, although I know it varied assist with speed
to where it almost didn't assist at all on the
highway.
I've looked at the wire diagrams and it looks like the
only external signal you need is a vehicle speed input
for it to vary assist with speed (it won't work
without this signal). The only other possible issue is
the EPS system is tied in with the OBD2 system and
has a dash warning light, but it also stores its own
error codes and will tell them to an appropriate
scanner so this might be the only other issue is it
might not work with out this.
Still, if you could get it to work it is a nice setup
and very reliable and simple as far as the mechanics
of it go.
I know the Acura NSX was the first car they had this
working on, then the Honda S2000 got it and that was
modified to fit the Insight too. Any 2003-current
Civic hybrid will have a EPS system. Toyota Prii have
them as well, but I don't know how their system works.
Heck, even some GM vehicles are starting to get them
too.
Later,
Rick
92 Saturn SC conversion
AZ Alt Fuel Plates "ZEROGAS"
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:09:50 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: "EV mail list" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Has anyone used a totally electric power steering
setup in their EV?
I have seen like the ones that appear to go right
inline with the
steering column. or actually replace the whole thing
in the cab.
It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
electrohydraulic power steering pump.
Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay
every now and
then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if
anyone else has
experimented with something like that...
--
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'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
Website: www.helixev.com
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:01:23 +0800
From: Ian Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 Battery Showdown!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 09/10/2007, at 12:42 AM, Bill Dube wrote:
> I didn't quite understand all the test parameters for the regen test.
> I have HAMMERED the A123 cells in charge on the bench without any ill
> effects. The starting SOC matters, of course. You wouldn't be able to
> push in big amps much over 90% SOC. Also, these cells have REALLY
> high charge efficiency, so you can reach 90% SOC pretty quickly.
Yeah, the results for the A123 charge at 2C seemed unusual to me. I
might just repeat it double check things..
Do you ever exceed 3.65V/cell charge voltage in order to increase the
current going in to the cells?
-Ian
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:09:34 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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The Zapi ZTA units work very well and are easy to mount. They come in
3 different torque ratings.
http://www.electrofit-zapi.com/hfelecpowsteer.htm
Shawn Lawless
-----Original Message-----
From: Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: EV mail list <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 3:09 am
Subject: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
electrohydraulic power steering pump.
Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
experimented with something like that...
--
Tehben
'90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
'hElix EV'
Website: www.helixev.com
evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:19:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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All,
Wow, this is truly revolutionary, or is that EVolutionary! It takes 10kW to
cruise in my RX-7 at these speeds, and 25kW in the truck, but this mini-van
only takes 4kW...
Suck Amps,
BB
>Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 04:22:03 -0700 (PDT)
>From: mosesmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>I will repost with proper spacing so they are easier to read, sorry....
>
>
>Date/ Time Amps High Volts MPH
>
>10/1/2007 13:27 46 93.1 60
>10/1/2007 13:27 41 93 58
>10/1/2007 13:27 41 93 56
>10/1/2007 13:27 42 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 42 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 42 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 43 93.5 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 43 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 45 93.5 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 44 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 44 93.5 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 44 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 44 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 43 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 42 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 42 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 41 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 41 93 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 41 93.1 54
>10/1/2007 13:27 22 93.2 48
>10/1/2007 13:27 22 93.4 42
<snip>
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:25:59 -0800
From: "Tehben Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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There is a GM unit on ebay right now Item number: 280159968030
I don't totally understand how it works but it looks a bit like it
might be inside the cab with the steering wheel because of the lever
which looks like a height adjust.
The Zapi ZTA looks great but I can't find a US dealer and I don't know
how much it is being sold for.... does anyone know?
Cheers,
Tehben
On 10/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Zapi ZTA units work very well and are easy to mount. They come in
> 3 different torque ratings.
>
> http://www.electrofit-zapi.com/hfelecpowsteer.htm
>
>
> Shawn Lawless
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: EV mail list <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 3:09 am
> Subject: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
>
>
>
> Has anyone used a totally electric power steering setup in their EV?
> I have seen like the ones that appear to go right inline with the
> steering column. or actually replace the whole thing in the cab.
> It seems like it might be a lot more efficient than an
> electrohydraulic power steering pump.
> Anyway I see electric power steering columns on ebay every now and
> then and wondered if they might be worth a try and if anyone else has
> experimented with something like that...
>
> --
> Tehben
> '90 Toyota 4x4 Pickup
> 'hElix EV'
> Website: www.helixev.com
> evalbum: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1225
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:03:34 -0400
From: "TrotFox Greyfoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Power Steering
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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That looks like the system in my wife's Vue. The motor sits under the dash.
Trot, the affirmative, fox...
On 10/8/07, Tehben Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a GM unit on ebay right now Item number: 280159968030
> I don't totally understand how it works but it looks a bit like it
> might be inside the cab with the steering wheel because of the lever
> which looks like a height adjust.
>
> The Zapi ZTA looks great but I can't find a US dealer and I don't know
> how much it is being sold for.... does anyone know?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tehben
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:01:38 -0700
From: "Jim L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette
To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I still don't see how that steering arrangement can be safe. If you are
driving at say 30 mph in traffic and you have to stop suddenly, you will be
applying brakes to your rear wheels. If you need to steer at that point you
will apply different amounts of brake pressure to your right and left
wheels.
This works very well as long as you have enough traction on both wheels.
What if one of the wheels is driving on wet pavement or sandy pavement as is
often found on the right side of the road.
Your braking on the left wheel will pull the car to the left (possibly
into oncoming traffic)and the slipping right wheel will not have enough
traction to overcome.
The driver will have to compensate by releasing the left brake which is
the only one with traction and will be totally dependant on the limited
traction of the right wheel to try to straighten out the car.
I like the overall style of the car but as I see it, the steering
mechanism needs to be rethought. Or am I missing something here?
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:43 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Electric EVette
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for your positive input, for those of you who were. I think
lithium battreies would be great in this car, and the car can hold a lot of
batteries. As for speed, the car can hold 2 11 inch dc motors that, and
two zilla 2k controlers(do the math) if I put them in the car,could rip the
tires off the car, but that would be to much for most people. The
maneuverability of this car is so much better than a conventional car its
amusing. Let me also remind you this car is not like any three wheeler you
have ever seen, even at higher speeds it turns quicker that a conventional
car, it also has a very low center of gravity. A writer from the Palm Beach
Post I gave a ride once wrote, gut wrenching turns. I will also remind you
this car is easy and fun to drive.
> Harry Grepke, my good friend and mentor on this project, invented the
first hybrid turbine electric car over 30years ago. He was on the cover of
Popular Science, he approached Detroit with it ,but they wouldn`t get off
the dime. I don`t think its any different now. All steering and braking is
done by the rear wheels, if the electronic steering fails,and it has once or
twice, the car is easily steered by left and right hydraulic brake, as for
traction have you seen the size of those tires?
>
> TomSines
>
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Electric EVette
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID:
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-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 8, 2007 7:43 AM
>To: ev list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [EVDL] Electric EVette
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Thanks for your positive input, for those of you who were. I think lithium
>battreies would be great in this car, and the car can hold a lot of batteries.
> As for speed, the car can hold 2 11 inch dc motors that, and two zilla 2k
>controlers(do the math) if I put them in the car,could rip the tires off the
>car, but that would be to much for most people. The maneuverability of this
>car is so much better than a conventional car its amusing. Let me also remind
>you this car is not like any three wheeler you have ever seen, even at higher
>speeds it turns quicker that a conventional car, it also has a very low center
>of gravity. A writer from the Palm Beach Post I gave a ride once wrote, gut
>wrenching turns. I will also remind you this car is easy and fun to drive.
>Harry Grepke, my good friend and mentor on this project, invented the first
>hybrid turbine electric car over 30years ago. He was on the cover of Popular
>Science, he approached Detroit with it ,but they wouldn`t get off the dime.
>I don`t think its any different now. All steering and braking is done by the
>rear wheels, if the electronic steering fails,and it has once or twice, the
>car is easily steered by left and right hydraulic brake, as for traction have
>you seen the size of those tires?
>
>TomSines
>
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:07:16 -0500
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV
To: "Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric
Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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Dave (Battery Boy) Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
> Wow, this is truly revolutionary, or is that EVolutionary! It takes 10kW to
> cruise in my RX-7 at these speeds, and 25kW in the truck, but this mini-van
> only takes 4kW...
> Suck Amps,
> BB
No, either it breaks the laws of physics, or he's getting the energy
from somewhere else (driving down-hill with a tail-wind?)
Note that all of that data was taken within a minute, while
decelerating. His batteries aren't doing the work to keep him
cruising; he's slowing down from wind resistance. If he's spending 4kW
of battery juice, at 58mph the wind is pushing against him at 11kW and
rolling resistance is 8kW. He's short 15kW from his cruising velocity.
That means he has a force of 579N decelerating him. At that rate of
constant deceleration, it would take him 35 seconds to coast down
20mph. This fits with the data: he slowed down by 20mph in less than a
minute.
So that data is probably real, but it was taken during roughly 35
seconds of deceleration when the car wasn't cruising at constant
speed. There's no way he could cruise at that power/speed.
Either that or he made up the time stamps, and probably the data too.
-Morgan LaMoore
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:19:39 -0700
From: "Bruce Weisenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Everyone but Tom missed something. State of Florida has licensed this
vehicle for the roads.
It is not a design concept but a living working EV vehicle. Which I might
add he is sharing his experience and results with the EV List. Thanks Tom.
On 10/8/07, Jim L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I still don't see how that steering arrangement can be safe. If you
> are
> driving at say 30 mph in traffic and you have to stop suddenly, you will
> be
> applying brakes to your rear wheels. If you need to steer at that point
> you
> will apply different amounts of brake pressure to your right and left
> wheels.
>
> This works very well as long as you have enough traction on both
> wheels.
> What if one of the wheels is driving on wet pavement or sandy pavement as
> is
> often found on the right side of the road.
>
> Your braking on the left wheel will pull the car to the left (possibly
> into oncoming traffic)and the slipping right wheel will not have enough
> traction to overcome.
>
> The driver will have to compensate by releasing the left brake which
> is
> the only one with traction and will be totally dependant on the limited
> traction of the right wheel to try to straighten out the car.
>
> I like the overall style of the car but as I see it, the steering
> mechanism needs to be rethought. Or am I missing something here?
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "ev list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:43 AM
> Subject: [EVDL] Electric EVette
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Thanks for your positive input, for those of you who were. I think
> lithium battreies would be great in this car, and the car can hold a lot
> of
> batteries. As for speed, the car can hold 2 11 inch dc motors that, and
> two zilla 2k controlers(do the math) if I put them in the car,could rip
> the
> tires off the car, but that would be to much for most people. The
> maneuverability of this car is so much better than a conventional car its
> amusing. Let me also remind you this car is not like any three wheeler
> you
> have ever seen, even at higher speeds it turns quicker that a conventional
> car, it also has a very low center of gravity. A writer from the Palm
> Beach
> Post I gave a ride once wrote, gut wrenching turns. I will also remind
> you
> this car is easy and fun to drive.
> > Harry Grepke, my good friend and mentor on this project, invented the
> first hybrid turbine electric car over 30years ago. He was on the cover of
> Popular Science, he approached Detroit with it ,but they wouldn`t get off
> the dime. I don`t think its any different now. All steering and braking
> is
> done by the rear wheels, if the electronic steering fails,and it has once
> or
> twice, the car is easily steered by left and right hydraulic brake, as for
> traction have you seen the size of those tires?
> >
> > TomSines
> >
> >
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:49:21 -0700
From: Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Magnetic Shock Absorber & EV
To: EV Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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RE: Planet EVs
Jeez, I'm sending them money based on the spelling, punctuation, and lay-out
contained in the website.
I'm no genius, but anytime somebody says "complex computer" or "too complex
to explain to the layman", it's time to run as it's not that big of a jump
to, "magically delicious".
Apparently putting a website together is too complex for some as well.
--
MarvyMarv
aka
Mo'Nilla
DRIVE THE FUTURE...(it's electric)
www.PlugInAmerica.com
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