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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary (Bob Rice)
2. Re: Vacuum pump success! (robert harder)
3. Re: Electric EVette at BBB? (Tom S.)
4. Re: too many amps? (Mike Chancey)
5. Re: too many amps? (Michael Mohlere)
6. Re: too many amps? (Roland Wiench)
7. Re: Electric EVette at BBB? (dave cover)
8. Re: new battery break-in (storm connors)
9. 26k efficient hybrid. (Lawrence Rhodes)
10. Re: Electric EVette at BBB? (storm connors)
11. Re: 26k efficient hybrid. (Evan Tuer)
12. Re: 26k efficient hybrid. (storm connors)
13. Electric EVette Videos (Tom Shay)
14. Re: new battery break-in (Roland Wiench)
15. Re: Film Crew Needs Charger ASAP in AZ (storm connors)
16. EV Wiki (Steven **)
17. Re: EV Wiki (Ben)
18. Re: EV Wiki (David Roden)
19. Re: new battery break-in (David Roden)
20. Re: Film Crew Needs Charger ASAP in AZ (Lee Hart)
21. Re: EV Wiki (Lee Hart)
22. Re: 26k efficient hybrid. (Glenn Saunders)
23. Re: EV Wiki (Steven **)
24. Re: EV Wiki (Harris, Lawrence)
25. Re: EV Wiki (David Roden)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:42:44 -0400
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:48 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Solectria Sunrise Boston - NYC 10 year anniversary
> Ten years ago today, on the 23 Oct 1997, the Solectria Sunrise was driven
> 217 miles from Boston to New York city on a single charge.
>
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03EFDD113EF937A15753C1A961958260
> http://www.evdl.org/pages/boston_ny.html
>
> Its quite interesting to type Solectria into the New York Times' search
> engine. They have an archive available going back to 1851.
And I was THERE! They took a route through CT, I called Solectria and
found out their route. No escape ya HAVE to pass through Corrupticut. So
they were gunna do a "rest Stop" at Exit 63 on I-84, do show and tell. Gov.
was SUPPOSED to show up. Yeah! Right? I was IT. I went over to James and
said" welcome to CT" when they landed in the maul parking lot.They had a guy
from a electrical magazine to verify that they didn't cheat and charge.They
used the bathroon, and grabbed a cuppa coffee at a Dunkin' Donuts, I think?
Not loosing any time they were off, with a few ICE support vehicles. I
chased along awile in my Diseasel Jetta, vid taping as we went. Didn't go
with them long as I had to go fly my OTHER electric that day, train #55, so
I split early on, but saw them head for the Merritt Parkway, a roller
coaster road, rather than the flatter I-91/95 route favored by Fung Hwa
Express buses.WHY the Chinese are in the US Bus Biz, I'll never know? Only
20 bux NYC-Boston, HOW do they make any money?? I understand they corrected
their route and DID do 91/95.
God! Those were heady daze. Seeing the Sunrise slipping along in the
Real World was a almost religious experiance, on the Turnpike as we Yankees
call the Freeway, blending in with the gas rigs.I want one, someday. General
Murders was doing first gen EV-1's They hadn't locked down the NHM battery,
yet. "Honda had the EV with a cord"play on the "Accord" name. Toyota MUST
have had the RAV-4 in the works.We figured that in ten years you could make
a tough choice; Sunrise or EV-1.Or maybe the RAV? Oh we'll get one of each?
Solve that issue. Spineless govt, you all know the sad EVents of the
following years. SHAME USA!As Chevy used to say" The Heartbeat(break) of
America."We still drive our crappy conversions for now til???. Sigh!
I guess THIS is why we, Lee, Tim, Jerry etc are TRYING to keep this
unique working EV from dying, ten tough years later. Like 450 amp hills,
it's a struggle! Maybe a National Emergency? to get stuff like Sunrise
going? Send Lee yur Lunch/dinner money, skip eating at the Ritz tonight, go
Mc Darnolds or Burgler King,(Feh!) send him the difference. Mother Earth
will thank you as I will.
Dreaming along
Bob
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:52:19 +0000
From: robert harder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vacuum pump success!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Hydra-boost systems come on a variety of trucks, vans, large cars,
turbo-charged and diesel applications. they are use from the manufacturer's
when there is limited vacuum (small motor in large vehicle, turbo, diesel) or
when there is a space constraint (astro vans, late model mustangs) it taps off
of the hydraulic lines for the steering and uses that pressure to assist the
pedal, it uses only a small volume of the fluid and there is an accumulator
built into the system that will give you at least to brake applications so you
should be fine if you are driving the pump of off the drive motor and giving up
power assist when stopped, the systems are a bit hard to find but provide very
strong braking,
as for have I tried it...only in stock applications as much as I'd like to
build an ev I am a bit uncomfortable with my electronic abilities
the systems can be hard to find but all astro vans and all one ton chevy trucks
back into the early 70's are equipped with them (modern trucks no longer share
the ps pump they are run off of an electric pump that supplies only the brakes)
large station wagons of both ford and gm origin came with them and like I said
above modern mustangs,
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:16:05 +0300
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vacuum pump success!
>
> Robert,
>
> can you explain this a bit more? Have you tried it?
>
> Thanks,
> Osmo
>
>
> robert harder kirjoitti 22.10.2007 kello 7.02:
>
> >
> > there is also the hydra boost option that runs off of the hydraulic
> > pump for the power steering, so assuming your vehicle is using
> > hydraulic power steering anyway it saves you the vacuum pump
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:30:13 -0700
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Vacuum pump success!
> >>
> >> I have a " Made for Electric vehicle" vacuum pump.* It is the
> >> noisiest
> >> part of the whole vehicle and bothers me. The reason it is so
> >> noisy is
> >> obvious, it is a single lung(diaphragm or piston) pump. As long as
> >> this
> >> is the norm we will suffer with the noise. I found out that racers
> >> use a
> >> modified ford smog pump to create vacuum. These are vane pumps and
> >> have
> >> a smoother profile. I have wanted to try this or a flying ball pump.
> >>
> >> Two other ideas come to mind. each assume we don't have vacuum, so
> >> why
> >> make it?
> >>
> >> 1) Use air pressure. This I ran a test on and was impressed with the
> >> result. (1 how a vacuum booster works) I made an adapter to push
> >> air in
> >> with a hose on the vents
> >> in back and placed it on a regulator at 15psi (gauge) and removed the
> >> hose from the booster. This made the vacuum side at atmosphere and
> >> the
> >> vent side at atmosphere+15. Thus the same pressure differential as
> >> usual. My thought was because I can store 10 times as much
> >> pressurized
> >> air that a tank filled one a week would work quietly. Now the on-
> >> board
> >> solution would be to have a 150psi tank you refill and a small air
> >> compressor that comes on if that tank gets below 50psi. I never
> >> tested
> >> this usage case to see how long a 150psi tank regulated down to 15psi
> >> would last.
> >>
> >> 2) An electromagnetic brake booster. stepper like motor on little
> >> rack
> >> driven by a small controller
> >>
> >>
> >> *I was entertaining selling them in the US and the company
> >> wouldn't give
> >> me a price until they sent me a sample, 6 months later I still didn't
> >> have a price. When I did get a price I laughed and moved on >$500
> >> my cost.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) The chamber is split into two halves with a diaphragm. The rod
> >> from
> >> the pedal has two valves on it. When not pressing on the pedal,
> >> the rod
> >> moves back under light spring pressure opens the valve between the
> >> two
> >> halves and closes the one to the atmosphere in back. Both sides of
> >> the
> >> diaphragm have vacuum on it so the net assistance is zero. When
> >> you push
> >> on the pedal the valve between the two chambers closes and the one in
> >> back opens to the atmosphere. 14.7psi of atmosphere spills in the
> >> back
> >> valve and pushes on the diaphragm assisting you. As the rod
> >> catches up
> >> with your foot, the valve in back closes and the valve between the
> >> two
> >> halves opens and things begin to equalize. This is how it follows
> >> what
> >> your foot tells it to do.
> >>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:19:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
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Hi Doug,
I understand what your saying, however even an autocross doesn`t showcase the
extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a new game in town, one that
I think is much more relevant to real driving, besides I`m having to much fun
rattling cages. Really, the only thing that matters is to bring good useful
electric cars to America, at a price the average person can aford.
Tom Sines
-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
>
>
>On Oct 20, 2007, at 6:55 PM, jerryd wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Tom and All,
>>
>> ----- Original Message Follows -----
>> From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
>> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>
><snip>
>
>>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
>>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
>>
>> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
>>
>> Jerry Dycus
>
>How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
>event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
>comment about the dirt.
>
>Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
>is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
>drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
>It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
>than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
>performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
>skeptics.
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
>
>Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
>sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
>four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:28:04 -0500
From: Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] too many amps?
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Michael, my concern would be how well your motor can handle the
load. What is the continuous Amps rating on a Prestolite MTC
4002? I would hate to see the motor damaged.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
Kansas City, Missouri
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:52:50 -0500
From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] too many amps?
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The motor has a thermal sensor on it for when/if it gets too hot ... I
know, because I've set it off before.... I'll have to look into the
rating for the prestolite...
On 10/22/07, Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael, my concern would be how well your motor can handle the
> load. What is the continuous Amps rating on a Prestolite MTC
> 4002? I would hate to see the motor damaged.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:54:05 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] too many amps?
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Hello Michael,
You did not note what the rpm of the motor was at and what is the overall
gear ratio is.
If you are pulling 200-250 battery amps and you are limited to 450 motor
amps, the motor amps may go three times higher than the battery amps or
about 600 amps if you was not limit to 450 motor amps.
I am running a Warp 9 with a Zilla 1k with a 260 AH T-145 pack which I limit
the batteries to 400 amp maximum and the motor amps at 800 amp maximum.
The maximum motor ampere I ever pull was 600 amps for about a micro second,
500 amps for a second, 400 amps for 20 seconds, 300 amps at 20 to 30 seconds
and 200 amps continuous.
I can normally drive a 6860 lb EV at 200 motor amps on a level grade in the
city at speeds up to a maximum of 45 mph but most of the time it is at 25
mph. At 200 motor amps, I am pulling about 50 battery amps.
So this morning which is down to 40 degrees, I will tried the steepest hill
in the city which even some gas cars cannot maintain a steady speed. I turn
on the water pumps that cool the Zilla that comes from a fan cool radiator.
Also turn on the external motor fans and a external fan for additional
cooling of the Zilla.
Never went up this hill with this EV, always drove around it to my home. I
wanted to tried it once, before I pull the Warp 9 out and put back in the GE
11 that was out for maintenance.
The first 4 blocks before this hill has a slight incline, where I was up to
6000 rpm in 1st gear at 26 mph at a overall gear ratio of 19.495:1 was
pulling about 200 motor amps and 60 battery amps. As I start to go up this
hill which feels like it's a 40 degree slope, I let the speed reduce to 15
mph and held it there. The maximum battery ampere I pull was 125 amp and I
kept the motor amps at 400 amp maximum for about 20 seconds until I got to
the top of the hill.
I have temperature sensors on the Zilla heat sinks and air temperature
sensors on the exhaust port of the Zilla enclosure and motor and they read
only 10 degrees over the ambient air temperature.
With the GE-11 which is also external fan cool, I was able to do highway
driving up to 70 mph on a level and when I approach a 7 degree 2 mile long
hill to work every day, I would let it peak to 600 motor amps and let it
come down to about 200 amps, because the ICE's in front of me was slowing me
down.
In the winter when this hill was icy, I would pass a lot of these ICE up,
just walk right pass them. Running studs on all fours.
Going down this hill, I would over take the ICE's with speeds up to 80 MPH
(we had no speed limit on this road at the time) and would coast another 2
miles at the bottom of the hill, take a exit at 45 mph and then continue
down another hill and turn left right into my garage with no additional
power.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Mohlere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:08 AM
Subject: [EVDL] too many amps?
> My 1981 rabbit pickup (see sig) has a DCP 450 (Raptor) Controller. I
> couldn't resist the urge to conquer a fairly major hill....according
> to the emeter it was pulling between 200-250 amps all the way up. I
> could tell that the 450 started limiting the amps (going into creep
> mode) on the way up. My questions is this: would upgrading to a 600
> allow me to pull more amps longer, or am I stressing the system way
> too much already by pulling that many amps continuously....I'm sure I
> will get some slap on the wrist responses, but I guess that is how we
> learn...
>
> --
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:55:51 -0400
From: "dave cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
To: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle Discussion
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Didn't Buckminster Fuller already do this with the Dymaxion car back
in 1933. It was a highly maneuverable 3 wheeled car that could carry
eleven passengers. And it got 30 miles per gallon. Is this new game
almost 75 years old?
On 10/22/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I understand what your saying, however even an autocross doesn`t showcase
> the extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a new game in town, one
> that I think is much more relevant to real driving, besides I`m having to
> much fun rattling cages. Really, the only thing that matters is to bring
> good useful electric cars to America, at a price the average person can aford.
> Tom Sines
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
> >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >
> >
> >On Oct 20, 2007, at 6:55 PM, jerryd wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Tom and All,
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> >> From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
> >>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
> >>
> >> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
> >>
> >> Jerry Dycus
> >
> >How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
> >event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
> >comment about the dirt.
> >
> >Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
> >is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
> >drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
> >It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
> >than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
> >performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
> >skeptics.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
> >
> >Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
> >sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
> >four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
> >
> ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
> >--
> >Doug Weathers
> >Las Cruces, NM, USA
> >http://www.gdunge.com/
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:06:37 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
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I have reread this so many times I'm crosseyed and I still can't understand
the point. On level ground, F=MA. I think what you are pointing out is that
if acceleration is kept small, the force (watt hours) is small. I have
searched in vain for level ground here in the Berkshire foothills and there
doesn't appear to be any.
Going up hills, you must supply the energy to lift the weight of the vehicle
the amount of the vertical rise. At 30 MPH the hill going up to my house
requires 200 amps. If I decelerate, some of the potential energy is used to
offset the need for power from the battery so the amps goes down.
Similarly, if I go at a slower rate the energy needed is spread out over a
longer time so the instantaneous amp draw goes down. I can creep up the
hill in a low gear and keep the amps down to 25.
Since this major hill is at the end of any trip I take, this happens
frequently. My house is at 890 feet. The valley, 2.6 miles away is at 428.
There are several short down slopes which only serves to make the up slopes
steeper. The last mile goes steadily up from 638 to 890 feet.
Changing gears has no noticeable effect on amperage draw unless it results
in a change in velocity. The motor running at 2500 RPM or 4500 RPM still has
to produce the energy to lift the vehicle.
I have a 3500 pound vehicle with 144v pack with a Raptor 1200 feeding a 9"
motor.
On 10/20/07, Roland Wiench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello Storm,
>
> I just did a test yesterday, to see what my battery amps would be on the
> only level section of road for a length of about 2000 feet driving at 35
> mph
> instead of 30 mph which is the maximum speed of these roads inside the
> city.
>
> Now, this with 6 years old batteries which are Trojan T-145's in a 6860 lb
> EV with a 1st gear ratio of 3.5:1 times the axle ratio of 5.57:1 which is
> a
> overall ratio 19.495:1 which allows me to go up to 26 mph in 1st gear at
> 6000 rpm.
>
> The tires are 30 inches in diameter and have a very hard steel-poly face
> that's keeps it more round with a soft side wall that where the deflection
> of the tire is, not in the face which would result in a lot of road
> resistance. These tires, are at 65 PSI which are rated at a load of 2650
> lbs.
>
> I then shift to 2nd gear which is now has a over all ratio of 2.5:1 x 5.57
> :1
> = 13.925:1 which allows me to go to 36 mph at 6000 rpm.
>
> At a stop to get on this street, I accelerated up to 25 mph in 1st gear
> which peak to 110 battery amps and 400 motor amps, then the battery
> amperes
> came back to 52 battery amps at 200 motor amperes.
>
> Shifting into 2nd gear and accelerating to 35 mph keeping up with the
> traffic, the battery amps to peak to 125 amps and the a motor ampere went
> to
> 350 motor amperes at 6000 rpm, then the battery amperes comes back to 55
> amps at about 200 motor amperes.
>
> Now driving off this level section, the road now goes into a slight roller
> coaster roads. Now my battery ampere drops going down slope which may
> even
> increase in speed, that allows the EV to go up the next slope and down
> again. Some times I have to applied a little throttle to keep it at 35
> mph
> which now the battery ampere is now at 33 amperes and the motor amperes is
> at 125 amps.
>
> When I see that I have to come to a stop or slow down at a turn, I have to
> let up on the accelerator about 3 blocks or about 1500 feet from the stop
> or
> turn if my inverter-alternator has hardly any load on it to provide some
> REGEN.
>
> My 1st gear ratio is greater by 3 or 4 times the ratio of the standard
> ratios. My Manta Mirage has a only a 2:1 x 3.0 = 6:1 1st gear ratio, but
> it
> weighs 1800 lbs. If it was a EV at 1800 lbs, the the watt/hrs that is
> require to move it with only a 6:1 ratio would be about:
>
> If it takes 2400 wt/hr to move 100 lbs of weight direct drive, then:
>
> 1800 lbs / 100 = 18
>
> 18 x 2400 = 43,200 wt/hr
>
> 43,200/6 = 7,200 wt/hr for the Manta.
>
> For my EV at 6860 lbs:
>
> 6860 lbs / 100 = 68.6
>
> 68.6 x 2400 = 164,640 wt/hr
>
> 164,640/19.495 = 8,445 wt/hr for my EV
>
>
> So you see there is very little difference between a lite weight vehicle
> with a high speed ratio gears and a heavy EV with low speed ratio gears.
>
> The new GM 6L auto transmissions in the high performance vehicles now has
> a
> 4.01 1st gear ratio, that would make a overall ratio of 4.01 x 5.57:1 =
> 22.335:1.
>
> 164,640/22.335 = 7371 wt/hr for my EV as compare to the Manta at 7200
> wt/hr.
>
> That's how I maintain a very low battery ampere, you have to have the
> gears
> plus a motor that provides a high torque at low rpm.
>
> Roland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List"
> <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
>
>
> > I don't know how Roland can keep the battery amps so low. It takes 200
> > amps
> > at 30 mph going up the hill to my house. The car won't move up the hill
> at
> > all with less than 100. I have been keeping the amps under 200 most of
> the
> > time. My batteries probably won't last 10 years. It would seem to me
> that
> > miles or total kilowatt hours would be a better measure of battery life
> > than
> > years. UPS batteries kept at 13.6V last a long time.
> >
> >
> > From: Frank John
> > > > I'm just starting to drive my Toyota pickup conversion with 9" ADC,
> > > > 1231 controller and 120 VDC T125 Trojan batteries. I'm trying to
> > > > limit current draw from the batteries to 200 amps for short periods
> > > > of time until I get some cycles on them.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:09:44 -0700
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] 26k efficient hybrid.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:15:28 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
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Tom has a 2 wheeled car with a caster. Reminds me of Smokey Stover's car
with a training wheel.
On 10/22/07, dave cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Didn't Buckminster Fuller already do this with the Dymaxion car back
> in 1933. It was a highly maneuverable 3 wheeled car that could carry
> eleven passengers. And it got 30 miles per gallon. Is this new game
> almost 75 years old?
>
> On 10/22/07, Tom S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > I understand what your saying, however even an autocross
> doesn`t showcase the extreme maneuverability of the EVette. There is a
> new game in town, one that I think is much more relevant to real driving,
> besides I`m having to much fun rattling cages. Really, the only thing that
> matters is to bring good useful electric cars to America, at a price the
> average person can aford.
> > Tom Sines
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Sent: Oct 21, 2007 6:42 PM
> > >To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> > >
> > >
> > >On Oct 20, 2007, at 6:55 PM, jerryd wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hi Tom and All,
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message Follows -----
> > >> From: "Tom S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric EVette at BBB?
> > >> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:38:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >>> Well, I really don`t feel like playing
> > >>> around in the dirt with the EVETTE its to pretty, however
> > >>
> > >> Translation, above 30 mph it gets really hairy.
> > >>
> > >> Jerry Dycus
> > >
> > >How about this translation: maybe Tom doesn't know what an autocross
> > >event is, and thinks it's something like motocross, which explains the
> > >comment about the dirt.
> > >
> > >Autocross events are held on flat paved parking lots. A twisty course
> > >is marked out with traffic cones and people compete to see who can
> > >drive their car through the course the fastest. Dirt is not involved.
> > >It's safe - distances are short and speeds are low; a run can take less
> > >than a minute and you're all alone on the course. A respectable
> > >performance at an autocross event would do a lot to quiet the Evette's
> > >skeptics.
> > >
> > ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocross>
> > >
> > >Motocross is a motorcycle sport, played outdoors in the mud. Or
> > >sometimes indoors in the mud. Completely inappropriate for most
> > >four-wheeled vehicles. And dirt is definitely involved.
> > >
> > ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motocross>
> > >--
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> > >Las Cruces, NM, USA
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:16:29 +0100
From: "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 26k efficient hybrid.
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It's perfect isn't it :)
Just hope it works as good as it looks..
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:44:42 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 26k efficient hybrid.
To: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
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Wow! Looks like a neat car. How much is reality?
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:53:20 -0700
From: "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Electric EVette Videos
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Are there any videos showing Evette in action?
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:57:17 -0600
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
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Hello Storm,
There is also a time factor. Test out your EV by driving between two points
(the same distance) at different speeds and see how much wt/hr or AH it
takes at the different speeds for the same distance.
I find if I drive 1 mile at 25 mph at 6000 rpm in 1st gear, it will take
about 3.5 AH and when I drive this 1 mile at 35 mph at 6000 rpm in 2nd gear,
it now is a bit less at 3.2 AH. The motor ampere is about the same, but for
a smaller amount of time.
I find the AH is even more if I am I a very low speed at 10 to 15 mph at a
200 motor amps. Here I spend more time driving less distance in a hour.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
> I have reread this so many times I'm crosseyed and I still can't
> understand
> the point. On level ground, F=MA. I think what you are pointing out is
> that
> if acceleration is kept small, the force (watt hours) is small. I have
> searched in vain for level ground here in the Berkshire foothills and
> there
> doesn't appear to be any.
>
> Going up hills, you must supply the energy to lift the weight of the
> vehicle
> the amount of the vertical rise. At 30 MPH the hill going up to my house
> requires 200 amps. If I decelerate, some of the potential energy is used
> to
> offset the need for power from the battery so the amps goes down.
>
> Similarly, if I go at a slower rate the energy needed is spread out over a
> longer time so the instantaneous amp draw goes down. I can creep up the
> hill in a low gear and keep the amps down to 25.
>
> Since this major hill is at the end of any trip I take, this happens
> frequently. My house is at 890 feet. The valley, 2.6 miles away is at
> 428.
> There are several short down slopes which only serves to make the up
> slopes
> steeper. The last mile goes steadily up from 638 to 890 feet.
>
> Changing gears has no noticeable effect on amperage draw unless it results
> in a change in velocity. The motor running at 2500 RPM or 4500 RPM still
> has
> to produce the energy to lift the vehicle.
>
> I have a 3500 pound vehicle with 144v pack with a Raptor 1200 feeding a 9"
> motor.
>
> On 10/20/07, Roland Wiench <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Storm,
> >
> > I just did a test yesterday, to see what my battery amps would be on the
> > only level section of road for a length of about 2000 feet driving at 35
> > mph
> > instead of 30 mph which is the maximum speed of these roads inside the
> > city.
> >
> > Now, this with 6 years old batteries which are Trojan T-145's in a 6860
> > lb
> > EV with a 1st gear ratio of 3.5:1 times the axle ratio of 5.57:1 which
> > is
> > a
> > overall ratio 19.495:1 which allows me to go up to 26 mph in 1st gear at
> > 6000 rpm.
> >
> > The tires are 30 inches in diameter and have a very hard steel-poly face
> > that's keeps it more round with a soft side wall that where the
> > deflection
> > of the tire is, not in the face which would result in a lot of road
> > resistance. These tires, are at 65 PSI which are rated at a load of
> > 2650
> > lbs.
> >
> > I then shift to 2nd gear which is now has a over all ratio of 2.5:1 x
> > 5.57
> > :1
> > = 13.925:1 which allows me to go to 36 mph at 6000 rpm.
> >
> > At a stop to get on this street, I accelerated up to 25 mph in 1st gear
> > which peak to 110 battery amps and 400 motor amps, then the battery
> > amperes
> > came back to 52 battery amps at 200 motor amperes.
> >
> > Shifting into 2nd gear and accelerating to 35 mph keeping up with the
> > traffic, the battery amps to peak to 125 amps and the a motor ampere
> > went
> > to
> > 350 motor amperes at 6000 rpm, then the battery amperes comes back to 55
> > amps at about 200 motor amperes.
> >
> > Now driving off this level section, the road now goes into a slight
> > roller
> > coaster roads. Now my battery ampere drops going down slope which may
> > even
> > increase in speed, that allows the EV to go up the next slope and down
> > again. Some times I have to applied a little throttle to keep it at 35
> > mph
> > which now the battery ampere is now at 33 amperes and the motor amperes
> > is
> > at 125 amps.
> >
> > When I see that I have to come to a stop or slow down at a turn, I have
> > to
> > let up on the accelerator about 3 blocks or about 1500 feet from the
> > stop
> > or
> > turn if my inverter-alternator has hardly any load on it to provide some
> > REGEN.
> >
> > My 1st gear ratio is greater by 3 or 4 times the ratio of the standard
> > ratios. My Manta Mirage has a only a 2:1 x 3.0 = 6:1 1st gear ratio,
> > but
> > it
> > weighs 1800 lbs. If it was a EV at 1800 lbs, the the watt/hrs that is
> > require to move it with only a 6:1 ratio would be about:
> >
> > If it takes 2400 wt/hr to move 100 lbs of weight direct drive, then:
> >
> > 1800 lbs / 100 = 18
> >
> > 18 x 2400 = 43,200 wt/hr
> >
> > 43,200/6 = 7,200 wt/hr for the Manta.
> >
> > For my EV at 6860 lbs:
> >
> > 6860 lbs / 100 = 68.6
> >
> > 68.6 x 2400 = 164,640 wt/hr
> >
> > 164,640/19.495 = 8,445 wt/hr for my EV
> >
> >
> > So you see there is very little difference between a lite weight
> > vehicle
> > with a high speed ratio gears and a heavy EV with low speed ratio gears.
> >
> > The new GM 6L auto transmissions in the high performance vehicles now
> > has
> > a
> > 4.01 1st gear ratio, that would make a overall ratio of 4.01 x 5.57:1 =
> > 22.335:1.
> >
> > 164,640/22.335 = 7371 wt/hr for my EV as compare to the Manta at
> > 7200
> > wt/hr.
> >
> > That's how I maintain a very low battery ampere, you have to have the
> > gears
> > plus a motor that provides a high torque at low rpm.
> >
> > Roland
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Lee Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> > List"
> > <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
> >
> >
> > > I don't know how Roland can keep the battery amps so low. It takes 200
> > > amps
> > > at 30 mph going up the hill to my house. The car won't move up the
> > > hill
> > at
> > > all with less than 100. I have been keeping the amps under 200 most of
> > the
> > > time. My batteries probably won't last 10 years. It would seem to me
> > that
> > > miles or total kilowatt hours would be a better measure of battery
> > > life
> > > than
> > > years. UPS batteries kept at 13.6V last a long time.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Frank John
> > > > > I'm just starting to drive my Toyota pickup conversion with 9"
> > > > > ADC,
> > > > > 1231 controller and 120 VDC T125 Trojan batteries. I'm trying to
> > > > > limit current draw from the batteries to 200 amps for short
> > > > > periods
> > > > > of time until I get some cycles on them.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:58:05 -0400
From: "storm connors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Film Crew Needs Charger ASAP in AZ
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I love the salt water resistor! With a small pump you could easily make it a
variable resistor! I'm waiting for the safety brigade to get on your case
for suggesting such unsafe, non code adhering procedures.
Thanks,
storm
On 10/17/07, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Roy LeMeur wrote:
> > I am posting this on behalf of Roderick Wilde and the EV Parts crew.
> > After a long thrash and tow... his PFC-50 is non-op.
>
> Ouch! My evil twin suggests:
>
> The quick-and-dirty solution is to go to Radio Shack and get a big
> bridge rectifier. Wire it from the 120vac line to the pack. It won't
> fully charge the pack (because the peak of the 120vac line is only
> 170vdc), but will get half a charge into it until you can rig up
> something bettery.
>
> Slightly better: Can he get at the center tap of his 168v pack? If so,
> tap it and bring out three wires; the center tap (0v), the positive end
> (+84v), and the negative end (-84v). Connect neutral to the center tap.
> Connect the 120vac hot wire to *both* AC input terminals of the bridge
> rectifier. Connect the + of the bridge to the +84v end of the pack.
> Connec the - of the bridge to the -84v end of the pack. Now you can
> charge the pack at as much current as the AC outlet can provide. In
> fact, it will try to charge a discharged pack at *too high* a current
> and so trip the breaker! You'll need to limit the charging current with
> several extension cords ('stench cords as Bob Rice would say :-) to keep
> it from blowing a breaker or fuse.
>
> Slightly crazier: Make a resistor to limit charging current with a
> bucket or large tin can of water with salt or something in it to make it
> conductive. Connect the outside can to the neutral. Hang a big bolt or
> smaller can inside by the wire to the pack's center tap. You can adjust
> the charging current with the spacing between can and bolt. The water
> will get hot and boil -- but it will also limit charging current, and
> turn itself off when it runs out of water. :-)
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:21:31 -0500
From: "Steven **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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I saw someone mention in a post yesterday about constantly answering the
same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
-Steven
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:42:23 -0400
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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This is a subject that came up within the past few months, and I got
the impression it was discussed prior to that (before my time) as
well. A group of us began to talk about organizing material for a FAQ
on the EVDL site, but that effort has petered out a bit - personally I
hope to have some time to contribute in a few weeks, not sure what
happened with the others. Visit the EVDL page and look up David
Roden's private email addy if you would like to volunteer for helping
organize the FAQ.
Ben
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> same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
> situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
>
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:28:04 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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On 22 Oct 2007 at 11:21, Steven ** wrote:
> I saw someone mention in a post yesterday about constantly answering the
> same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
> situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
Omigawd, not THIS discussion again. ;-)
Seriously, it's been discussed to death (see the archives) and even tried a
few times. I can't think of any major successes so far other than the
outstanding EVDL FAQ from EVparts.
http://www.evparts.com/faq/
I think part of the problem is that EV fans tend to be too busy DOING stuff
to take time to WRITE about it. However, a few of us currently have a "best
of the EVDL" project on the back burner.
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:28:04 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] new battery break-in
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On 22 Oct 2007 at 9:57, Roland Wiench wrote:
> see how much wt/hr or AH it
> takes at the different speeds for the same distance.
Just to be clear here, the correct units for measuring energe is Watt-hours
(abbreviate Wh). "Wt/hr" is a meaningless unit, like horsepower per minute.
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:03:33 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Film Crew Needs Charger ASAP in AZ
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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storm connors wrote:
> I love the salt water resistor! With a small pump you could easily make it a
> variable resistor! I'm waiting for the safety brigade to get on your case
> for suggesting such unsafe, non code adhering procedures.
Yes, it's completely crazy... but it also works. :-)
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That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:04:48 -0500
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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Steven ** wrote:
> I saw someone mention in a post yesterday about constantly answering the
> same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
> situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
Wikis, FAQs, and many other things already exist. But people still start
off by asking their questions, without referring to any of them. Human
nature, I guess.
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Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 26k efficient hybrid.
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It is cool but you'd have to drive it like you were riding in a piece of fine
china. It really should have implemented some kind of 5mph bumpers despite the
cost to aerodynamics because as it is now it won't survive even the most minor
collisions, at least not without very costly body restoration. Of course,
that's no worse than a motorcycle, but this thing has a much wider footprint
than a motorcycle so the driving experience is much more of a car, where you
can't just weave through traffic accidents.
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From: storm connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] 26k efficient hybrid.
Wow! Looks like a neat car. How much is reality?
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:09:53 -0500
From: "Steven **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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Well, *I* would check these documents before mailing the list. I just can't
find them. And I didn't see a search on the mailing list's archives page.
-Steven
On 10/22/07, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Steven ** wrote:
> > I saw someone mention in a post yesterday about constantly answering the
> > same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
> > situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
>
> Wikis, FAQs, and many other things already exist. But people still start
> off by asking their questions, without referring to any of them. Human
> nature, I guess.
>
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:30:51 -0700
From: "Harris, Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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If you follow the link from the mailing list page you will find the
searchable archive. Here is the excerpt:
The EVDL was founded in 1991 by Clyde R. Visser, P.E. For more
information, links to searchable archives, and our complete charter,
please see http://www.evdl.org/.
The archive with a search box is at
http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html
Lawrence Harris
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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:10 AM
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Well, *I* would check these documents before mailing the list. I just
can't
find them. And I didn't see a search on the mailing list's archives
page.
-Steven
On 10/22/07, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Steven ** wrote:
> > I saw someone mention in a post yesterday about constantly answering
the
> > same questions over and over again. Would a wiki make sense in this
> > situation? Is there a wiki somewhere already?
>
> Wikis, FAQs, and many other things already exist. But people still
start
> off by asking their questions, without referring to any of them. Human
> nature, I guess.
>
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377,
leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
>
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:32:11 -0400
From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Wiki
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On 22 Oct 2007 at 13:09, Steven ** wrote:
> I didn't see a search on the mailing list's archives page.
Right on the main public archive page. See where it says "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" in big, bold black print? Right under the "on" of
"Discussion," it says "Search." If a simple search doesn't do it for you,
the results page has an "advanced search" link.
http://evdl.org/archive/index.html
True, the Mailman archive from SJSU has no search; it's really just a
history book. That's why we have other archives. The above is the
semiofficial public archive. There are several others with varying search
capabilities.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator
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