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2. Re: GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (Glenn Saunders)
3. Re: Motor Mounting question (R. Matt Milliron)
4. Re: GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
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5. Re: danfrederickesn the troll (Glenn Saunders)
6. Re: GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
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7. Re: danfrederickesn the troll (Ben)
8. Re: Motor Mounting question (Myles Twete)
9. need to contact reverend gadget to get motor + trans back
(Tony Hwang)
10. Re: Motor Mounting question (Chuck Homic)
11. Re: GM to HIT University up with Legal Action over EV-1 that
Runs ?? (Larry Cronk)
12. Re: GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
(Roderick Wilde)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:31:23 -0500
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] (no subject)
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>Am I understanding you correctly, that the circuit diagram for the Cursit
is
>incorrect? It seems to me that I have heard that on here before. The Dodge
>Dakota I am working on has a Cursit 1221B, so I need to know for sure!
>
>Joseph H. Strubhar
>
>So DID I overlook stuff that is a DUH! thing??
>
> Bob
>
>Tape off or heatshrink the A2 connection to insure that you don't get the
>idea that it needs something connected to it. (Ignore that part of the
>Cursit wiring diagram)
>
>.. And be sure you have at least a resister for a pre-charge or the caps in
>the controller will be somewhat shall we say "Stressed" each time you turn
>it on. Without the precharge they will fail, it may take many starts but
>they WILL fail.
>
YES!
You understood correctly, the Curtis manual in their wiring diagram shows a
connection from the A2 terminal to the motor. That is fine for a forklift
that uses plug braking but will not work for an EV.
The connections that you will use at the controller are B- to the negative
side of the pack, B+ from the main contactor AND to A1 of the motor, M- to
S2 on the motor and jumper on the motor between S1 and A2 on the motor.
The Curtis manual shows a wire between A2 and the motor. Don't connect
anything to A2 at the controller or you will blow the controller!
I recomend putting a piece of heatshrink on the A2 terminal to remind
yourself that there is NO Connection to that terminal. Many of the
controller manufacturers don't have an A2 terminal on the controller
because they are manufactured expressly for road going EV's and not for
forklifts. The Curtis was first designed for forklifts and EV's was a
secondary use.
I will post my schematic for my Fiero on the EVAlbum. It will be wired the
same even though I am using a Kodiak controller that has no A2 terminal.
Jim
http://www.evalbum.com/804
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:27:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection.
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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GM's dickheadedness knows no bounds.
----- Original Message ----
Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting? Good, because it may be
the last time you ever see it running again. GM has already sent a
cease and desist order to WWU and threatened legal action if they
ever see video or hear of it running as a "non-hybrid" electric again.
http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/GM_EV1_WWU_Resurrection#GM_Reacts
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:29:22 -0600
From: "R. Matt Milliron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Mounting question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:26:06 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>There are so many
>> different cars and light trucks out there I'm not even sure how to
>> effectively start searching for motor or transmission mounts that
>> might work well.
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Paul Gooch
>
>Hi Paul
>
>What has worked well for me in the past (for many different types of parts
>too) is to go down to your local well-established NAPA store (where they have
>lots of paper catalogs) and get the friendly counter person to dig thru the
>motor/trans mount catalog with you.
>
>They generally have a greyscale photo/drawing and some specs on each one. This
>can be an easy and effective way to find what you need.
>
>This approach can be a goldmine for those of us that custom-build stuff from
>scratch.
>
>You may also be able to find similar types of catalogs online but it is nice
>to be able to pull a part off the shelf and actually physically (instead of
>virtually) check it out.
>
motormount.net worked for me. They did seem to have everything and
pictures also. The site doesn't look like much on first glance. They
delivered very fast and were quick to respond to my e-mails.
R. M. Milliron
1981 Jet Electrica (Ford Escort)
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/702
http://hitorqueelectric.com/gallery/v/custom_motors/Hack+vs+Husted/
This machine had been garaged for 17 years. I have
upgraded and made it operable. Tabitha, my daughter,
named it, "Pikachu". It's yellow and black, electric
and contains Japanese parts, so I went with it.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:37:42 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did
they)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Thanks, Dan. Good work!
It is always best to confirm before deploying the lynch mob!
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:00 am
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
I just got a response from GM.
Chris Preuss (GM) didn't know anything about any legal reactions but
asked a coworker Dave Barthmuss to comment and he wrote me this:
"No legal threats at all. I know what our reaction was to the Western
Washington University's vehicle being trucked to LA and making a brief
drive at a local enviro envent and in no way did it involve and threat
of litigation."
I'll dig deeper.
if someone is on the WWU end can they check what their side of the
story
is? if the GM reaction is just a complete fabrication or if we have
actual controversy.
Dan
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:39:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] danfrederickesn the troll
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Bob, since we're in the mode of scrutinizing people's posts...
Do you _have_ to write sentences like a lolcat?
"I can haz EV?"
----- Original Message ----
Yur right, Dan sez some good stuff, too. I havent blanked him, he
does
sturr up some good shit, too. I got ya beat! Been waiting for about 40
years
for a Better Badd-ery!Oh they are out there! I'm still waiting for Bob
Aronson's NEW Tri-Polar Led acids!
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:54:38 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did
they)
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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i have a copy of the video for safe keeping.
: )
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:53:06 -0500
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] danfrederickesn the troll
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Lets see if a little humor can save this topic from becoming any more
insulting...
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?IcanhazEV128427366399598750.jpg
On Dec 21, 2007 1:39 PM, Glenn Saunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob, since we're in the mode of scrutinizing people's posts...
>
> Do you _have_ to write sentences like a lolcat?
>
> "I can haz EV?"
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> Yur right, Dan sez some good stuff, too. I havent blanked him, he
> does
> sturr up some good shit, too. I got ya beat! Been waiting for about 40
> years
> for a Better Badd-ery!Oh they are out there! I'm still waiting for Bob
> Aronson's NEW Tri-Polar Led acids!
>
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:09:15 -0800
From: "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Mounting question
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Early EVs (1908-1933) did not torque couple thru the chassis to the rear end
as many cars today do. The motors were often direct mounted to a tube that
was mounted at the other end directly to the differential. But while this
eliminated any need for rotary torque or vibration damping to the chassis,
the motors were typically suspended from the sprung chassis at the motor's
front end. And vibration isolation was important. In most cases, the front
of these early EV motors were attached to a ball, which was spring-suspended
in a steel tube that was itself ball mounted to the frame. This arrangement
allowed limited spring-loaded up-down motion as well as low-friction
unsprung fore-aft and side-side motion of the motor (required due to being
on sprung chassis). As insurance, a metal strap connected to the chassis
well below the motor was in place to catch the motor should all of the above
fail.
-MT
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Zeke Yewdall
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:43 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Mounting question
>
> As I recall, the engine mounts in my late-60's Volvo 122 were blobs of
rubber with studs protruding from each side, however I would not recommend
using this style of mount because when the motor torque rips one stud or the
other free of the rubber blob, it separates completely. More modern mounts
are designed so that if the bonding between the rubber and metal bits fails,
you may get metal to metal contact between the sides of the mount, but it
cannot separate and leave the motor to flop around.
People with 60's ford pickups often put short chains from the motor
mount bolts on the frame to the bolts on the engine side, for this
exact reason... to hold the engine from going too wild when the rubber
broke.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:12:09 -0800
From: "Tony Hwang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] need to contact reverend gadget to get motor + trans
back
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Hi all,
Been trying to contact gadget for the past few months, and really need any
help I can get to contact him! I've emailed/called him at his two websites,
plus visited his Culver City location once or twice every month, he's never
there. Anyone know if he's maybe doing something else, or working elsewhere,
or something?
We brought our electric motor and transmission for him to make us a custom
mount and adapter earlier this year. I believe he hasn't been posting on the
EV list too as I don't see any recent posts from him.
Anyone have any suggestions on how we can get our motor and transmission
back? It's probably sitting in his Culver City shop, we just want it back!!!
Our conversion project is a Scion xA, and we can't work on it, plus it's
sitting in our garage, making us have to park our cars outside. Also we have
a lot of money tied up in it and can't just let it sit there, we want to be
out driving it! :)
Anyways, if ANYONE knows him and can contact him, tell him Tony has been
trying to contact him, and to give me a call/email/anything! My email is at
tony at junk-jungle dot com. Thanks.
- Tony
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:23:51 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Motor Mounting question
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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R. Matt Milliron wrote:
> motormount.net worked for me. They did seem to have everything and
> pictures also. The site doesn't look like much on first glance. They
> delivered very fast and were quick to respond to my e-mails.
>
motormount.net is a parked domain squatting page. Where exactly did you
go from there?
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:25:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Larry Cronk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM to HIT University up with Legal Action over
EV-1 that Runs ??
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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George Swartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The stature of the WWU is boosted dramatically by this legal action. GM is
confirming their conspiracy as documented in "Who Killed the Electric Car"
GM as a company, in my opinion, is headed to the boneyard of obsolete
industries.
I just sent general motors a nastygram . I think tha everyone on the list
should do so. Alsotell all of your Friends. I am thinking of going to a TGM
dealer and telling them what I think. sincerely Larry Cronk 72 Datsun ELEC
TK
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:08:47 -0800, Steven Lough wrote
> From our Web Guy at the Seattle EV Association:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting? Good, because it may be
> the last time you ever see it running again. GM has already sent a
> cease and desist order to WWU (Western Washington U. Bellingham WA.)
> and threatened legal action if they ever see video or hear of it
> running as a "non-hybrid" electric again.
>
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/GM_EV1_WWU_Resurrection#GM_Reacts
>
> L8r
> Ryan
>
> PS. Feel free to add your own comments, corrections, or resources.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Or MY idea would be to re-print this and send it out to EVERY News
> Paper, News BLOG, Enviro Community possible...
>
> --
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> Seattle EV Association
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:42:09 -0800
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did
they)
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I just spoke with Eric from the WWU EV1 resurrection team. He stated that
they have not been threatened with a lawsuit. They did receive a phone call
from GM reminding them of the agreement they signed when they received the
gift not to run the car on any public or private road . They also mentioned
that part of the agreement was not to mar GM's image. So It appears that
Dave Barthmuss of GM was telling the truth when he stated: "No legal threats
at all. I know what our reaction was to the Western
Washington University's vehicle being trucked to LA and making a brief drive
at a local enviro event and in no way did it involve and threat of
litigation." Anyway, I thought I would look into the truth of this matter a
little more and squelch a possible fire storm against our buddies at GM ;-)
Roderick Wilde
----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
> Thanks, Dan. Good work!
>
> It is always best to confirm before deploying the lynch mob!
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:00 am
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM reacts to the WWU EV1 Resurrection. (or did they)
>
>
>
> I just got a response from GM.
>
> Chris Preuss (GM) didn't know anything about any legal reactions but
> asked a coworker Dave Barthmuss to comment and he wrote me this:
>
> "No legal threats at all. I know what our reaction was to the Western
> Washington University's vehicle being trucked to LA and making a brief
> drive at a local enviro envent and in no way did it involve and threat
> of litigation."
>
>
> I'll dig deeper.
> if someone is on the WWU end can they check what their side of the
> story
> is? if the GM reaction is just a complete fabrication or if we have
> actual controversy.
>
> Dan
>
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