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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as world?s
first crash-proof, long range, flat-pack vehicle. (R Patterson)
2. Re: de-Icing (Tonya Pope)
3. Re: Flooded vs AGM range (Roland Wiench)
4. Re: Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as worlds
fi rst crash-proof, long range, flat-pack vehicle.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
5. Chinese DC series motors (Jeff Shanab)
6. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Jeff Shanab)
7. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Steven **)
8. Re: EV operational safety (Walter Guinon)
9. Re: White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube (Bob Rice)
10. Re: Spark Ev Response today (Chuck Homic)
11. Re: Flooded vs AGM range (Chuck Homic)
12. Re: EV operational safety (Paul compton)
13. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Zeke Yewdall)
14. Re: Thoughts on an idea not fully parsed. (Peter VanDerWal)
15. Re: Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as worlds
fi rst crash-proof, long range, f (Peter VanDerWal)
16. Damaged Bandit cheap (Lawrence Rhodes)
17. Re: Damaged Bandit cheap (John G. Lussmyer)
18. Re: White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
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19. Re: Chinese DC series motors ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
20. Re: What exactly is 80% DOD? (Peter VanDerWal)
21. Re: Flooded vs AGM range (Peter VanDerWal)
22. Re: Chinese DC series motors (DJ)
23. Re: Chinese DC series motors ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
24. Re: Flooded vs AGM range (Roland Wiench)
25. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
(Lee Hart)
26. Re: Flooded vs AGM range (Chuck Homic)
27. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
(Lee Hart)
28. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>!
(Lee Hart)
29. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Dan Frederiksen)
30. Re: Chinese DC series motors (Dan Frederiksen)
31. Current Eliminator and The Smoke Screen S10 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
32. 3 Wheeled Vehicles ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
33. Re: Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A Wuzheng<g>! (Ben)
34. White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube (Steven Lough)
35. ThunderSky YahooGroup (Willie McKemie)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:23:59 -0500
From: "R Patterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as
world?s first crash-proof, long range, flat-pack vehicle.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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When you look deeper on the site the state a 300 mile range. Sounds like an
interesting idea for the accident prone that only drive over 25' embankments
... wonder if it comes with a sharp object warning?
Ralph.
On Jan 18, 2008 2:26 AM, Nikki Bloomfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh. I clicked on the link for fun and then clicked away when I got to
> the part about 2,500 miles. Yeah. I'll believe that when Missouri
> stops being the "show me" state, or perhaps they actually build one
> and share their mileage data.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2008, at 02:24, Geopilot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > *Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as world's first
> > crash-proof, long range, flat-pack vehicle.*
> >
> > SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 13 ?XP Vehicles? (http://www.xpcarteam.com)
> > today
> > announced that it's Whisper? electric car is being developed for
> > online
> > direct ship distribution at sub $5000.00 price-points.
> >
> > A baffled pressure tube system (think Zodiac? rubber boat) provides
> > the
> > actual supporting and protective structure of the vehicle. How safe is
> > it? Recall that NASA recently threw tens of millions of dollars of
> > ultra-sensitive electronics onto the surface of Mars from nearly a
> > mile
> > up and then bounced that same delicate gear for over a mile over
> > boulders and everything worked flawlessly.
> >
> > This was due to the instruments being shrouded in an already expanded
> > inflatable housing that has served as the model for the Whisper? bo
> > dy
> > structure. Anyone looking at the warnings on their visor can be
> > concerned about the dangers during airbag inflation so XP simply
> > built a
> > vehicle entirely out of next-generation, always inflated, safety
> > airbags. The engineers for the Whisper are confident you can drive it
> > off a 25-foot cliff without serious injury to its passengers. They
> > claim
> > this is the safest car ever designed for drivers, passengers and
> > pedestrians.
> >
> > Initially designed for the Southeast and Western Asian markets, the
> > car
> > will float in an emergency such as a flood or tsunami and can be
> > assembled by any two people of reasonable competence. The vehicle,
> > similar in appearance to rounded edged sports cars, will be
> > configurable
> > online by each customer much like you build and customize personal
> > computers online today at various major retailers. Colors, trims,
> > features, and styles will be user-configurable on 4 different body-
> > types.
> >
> > The vehicle is so light it can go many times further on the same
> > energy
> > pack as other vehicles. Device Conduit Technologies () is providing
> > the
> > novel, low cost power system. The sealed composite membrane tube
> > structure uses a layered web material system. The wheels use eight
> > hub-mounted motors. A large luggage area can carry home all of the
> > groceries or luggage needed for the vast majority of everyday
> > circumstances. The whole vehicle packs into two cardboard boxes for
> > shipping by common carrier anywhere in the world.
> >
> > XP is seeking distribution partners for large territory contracts.
> > Sales
> > are not currently open direct-to-public.
> >
> > XP Vehicles is a Bay Area start-up formed by technology experts and a
> > consortium of companies who are each expert in their component area.
> > Multiple issued and pending patents protect this disruptive technology
> > and distribution system.
> >
> > ###
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Copyright (c) 2007 XP Vehicles. All Rights Reserved. Patents Pending.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:19:08 -0600
From: "Tonya Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] de-Icing
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>, "Bob Rice"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Bob,
The body is in great shape ... she's always been a southern gal. As
far as speed ... the stock engine had issues with 70! I'll be
replacing a 4 cylinder with the EV. I've got all the weight numbers
(GVW, etal), as well as the vanagon email list resources (they're an
awesome community as well) giving me weights on things I'll be
removing, plus adding in real world what I'd like to be able to
carry, all going into my number crunching.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Tonya
p.s. "liking the car" is an understatement ... getting rid of my baby
just isn't an option
On 18 Jan 2008 at 0:50, Bob Rice wrote:
> Hi Tonya;
>
> A VW Van is a decent doner car, IF you don't have to push 70mph to go
> places you need to go! IF they are anything like the OLD V-Dub vans, they
> can carry a good load of batteries. Check on the driver's door post to see
> if ya can get a GVW figure there. This will tell you how much the vehicle is
> built to carry, Cargo and passengers. Ya want to leave several hundred lbs
> for future pass and cargo loads.But , lets say you only need to go 15-20
> miles a day, on secondery roads, AND you like the car. GO for it! Of course
> if the car is a rusted out piece of crap, converting it to electric isn't
> going to Fix it up, though.
>
> Good Luck, ewere here to help
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tonya Pope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] de-Icing
>
>
> > May not be the smartest choice out there ... but I'm converting my VW
> > Vanagon. I absolutely love the vehicle itself and the interior
> > configuration. I saw 2 others than had been done, so it's not
> > entirely unrealistic. It needs a new motor at the moment, and
> > probably has a transmission issue or two. So ... decided to take the
> > plunge. I have a few ideas, which I'm sure most newbies do. I do
> > have the benefit of an EE degree, so I've been putting pencil to
> > paper quite a bit, along with going through this lists' archives, but
> > am about ready to mock up a rough model to see how practical some of
> > those ideas are.
> >
> > Tonya
> >
> > On 17 Jan 2008 at 3:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Tonya Said...
> >>
> >> "Good luck with your De-icing ... I'm about to start my own!
> >> Tonya"
> >>
> >> Whatcha Buildin'?
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:44:55 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Adrian,
The problem with Uve's Calculator, there is no input for accessory loads,
types of road surfaces and battery temperature.
If I remove every accessory load off my main battery pack and drive on a
very smooth level road at 80 F battery temperature at 25 mph in 1st gear,
the battery ampere reads about 40 amps at 183 volts. The Uve's Cal. shows
battery ampere at 65 amps at 172 volts.
Now when I add all the accessory power, which could peak to 7000 watts
extra, drive on a rough stone embedded road surfaces that is always going up
and down and pushing through 6 to 12 inches of snow at 25 mph in 1st gear,
the battery amps now becomes about 125 battery amps at 165 volts.
Remember to connect the DC-DC converters or direct take offs on the load
side of your battery amp meter shunt Some of the guys ran there DC-DC
converters directly off the battery side of the shunt or directly off the
batteries. If the DC-DC converter is wire this way, you will not show the
correct battery ampere, and some could not figure out why they had half the
range.
I use a separate accessory amp meter and shunt that comes off the load side
of the main battery shunt to see what my accessory load is at.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian DeLeon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
> I'm considering switching from T105 to AGM batteries for my next pack. But
> will I still get enough range?
>
> '87 VW Cabriolet
> 3700 pounds w/passengers (!)
> 19 x Trojan T105 (114V nominal, 1178 pounds)
> Zilla -LV (156V)
> 18-25 mile trips (18 average, 16 minimum) in hilly terrain
> 45-55 AHr used per commute (2.5 to 3 hour recharge w/ PFC20: 2-2.5 hours @
> 22A, tapers to <2A in last 30 minutes)
>
> I can fit 13 x Group 31 batteries for 156V at ~900 pounds. Battery weight
> goes from 32% to 26% of vehicle weight. So something like a Deka 9A31
> would have 1.36x the voltage, just under half the capacity (100AHr vs
> 225AHr), but a better Peukert number.
>
> Uve's calculator shows 50-60% of my original range. Of course it also
> shows ridiculous ranges unless used with a large wind or 3-4% grade. Are
> there any EV calculators that reflect real world driving?
>
> Several EV Album entries suggest I should be getting a MUCH better range,
> and that I have 300-400 extra pounds lurking in my car somewhere :( I
> wonder how many of those are "real world" ranges vs calculated or WAG? Or
> maybe it's the hills. THE HILLS!!!
>
> Ideas?
>
> -Adrian
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:44:56 GMT
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as
worlds fi rst crash-proof, long range, flat-pack vehicle.
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I hope that I'm right in thinking this is geopilots way of making a joke.....
If you really dig a bit by searching on the corporate address you will find
that there are many...businesses being run out of the house there. And that the
same guy seems to own them all.....
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:00:22 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Looks safe, but then again, I don't use windows.
On e word of warning, it has not path info at all so it dumps into the
directory you type the unzip command in(a tar bomb)
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:22:52 -0800
From: Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
>
> Pete
Uh? Why? just curious as I really want to buy a MAC
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:50:52 -0600
From: "Steven **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I don't have a mac. But perhaps it's the proprietary Word doc files?
-Steven
On Jan 18, 2008 8:22 AM, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
> >
> > Pete
>
> Uh? Why? just curious as I really want to buy a MAC
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:00:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Walter Guinon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV operational safety
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
"To prevent a person from driving off with the AC power plug in, there is
several ways to do this."
I use an Anderson SBX plug (the one with the aux contacts) for my charger
input. On the charger side the aux conatacts are shorted together so that
when plugged in, a DPDT relay connects the charger to the pack and another
relay starts the fans and disables the key switch signal.
--
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http://www.nabble.com/EV-operational-safety-tp14919546s25542p14950490.html
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:52 -0500
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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reply-type=original
Hi John;
Great vid! The Maz. took off like a, well, ConRail Freight train,
compared to Zombie<g>!Talk about distances? Hah! WAS he in the same race?
Get the motor fixed so we have yet a better season! Thanks for putting
it up for us masses!
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:57 AM
Subject: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
> Hello to All,
>
> Last weekend my nephew Wil Christensen and I put together a fun video I
> thought fellow EVers might enjoy. It's from the last day of drag racing
> (August 25th) with White Zombie in 2007 when we took part in the 'Street
> Warriorz' races at PIR. Running on the heavy lead acid pack and with the
> extra weight of the 6 point roll bar, and with a not-too-healthy Siamese
> 8 motor (that blew on the very next race against the Z06 Vette) the low
> 12 second pass isn't one of our best ETs, but the race was still a lot
> of fun.
>
> Make sure to have some high quality headphones plugged in to your
> computer or if listening with a good set of speakers with subwoofer
> audio setup, crank up the volume!:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGQSQAz9v6c
>
> Thanks to Michael Kadie for helping me reduce the original full rez
> video and for putting it on Youtube. As is the norm for Youtube, the
> quality had to be reduced to make it fit. If you follow Michael's links,
> there are higher rez versions, too. I couldn't get the 80 meg DVD
> quality Quicktime link to fully load and play, but the VCP quality MPEG1
> (24 megs) loads fairly quickly and is much clearer than the
> Youtube version.
>
> I hope you enjoy the way we (I and my nephew, both with strong musician
> backgrounds) cut, spliced, s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d, and mixed the AC/DC audio
> track. If you pay attention, you'll notice how the rythm and the timing
> of lyrics fit the various scenes of the video...fun stuff! The guys with
> the Maserati were priceless! I just happened to have my camcorder on at
> the right time, I guess. I didn't realize it until months later, that my
> nephew, Wil, had captured the race from the other side and further down
> the track with his digital camera's limited video recording
> capabilities. It was fun putting the two video segments together.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> See Ya....John
>
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:11:30 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Spark Ev Response today
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Dan Frederiksen wrote:
> got it. you don't have a page for your car on the evalbum?
Not yet. I want to get the transmission shipped for the adapter before
I spend any time on vanity tasks. :) If the sun ever comes out in
Upstate NY, I'll do a photo shoot.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:26:35 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Roland Wiench wrote:
> Now when I add all the accessory power, which could peak to 7000 watts
> extra,
Uhhh???? Lesse, probably 600 watt DC/DC running all the 12V stuff, two
1500 watt heater elements and a 2500 watt air conditioner condenser,
would add up to 6100 watts, if you were using max heat and A/C at the
same time... Add in 850 watts max for a power steering pump, and 200
watts for a brake booster and I'm up to 7000.
I'm not expecting anywhere near 7KW of accessories in my conversion, am
I about to get bit?
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:03:24 +0000
From: "Paul compton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV operational safety
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> "To prevent a person from driving off with the AC power plug in,
> there is several ways to do this."
>
> I use an Anderson SBX plug (the one with the aux contacts) for my
> charger input. On the charger side the aux conatacts are shorted
> together so that when plugged in, a DPDT relay connects the charger
> to the pack and another relay starts the fans and disables the key
> switch signal. --
One of the neatest solutions I've seen was on the Skoda Elmo pickup, where
the charger cable stowed in a compartment behind the front grill. In order
for the vehicle to run the cable had to be plugged into a receptacle in the
compartment.
Paul Compton
www.evguru.co.uk
www.batteryvehiclesociety.org.uk
www.sciroccoev.co.uk
www.morini-mania.co.uk
www.compton.vispa.com/the_named
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:26:00 -0700
From: "Zeke Yewdall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I just opened it on my mac, and it seemed fine. You do have to have
Word for some of it, and AutoCAD, or other DWG viewer for other of it
(which I don't have yet).
On Jan 17, 2008 10:14 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
>
> Pete
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Dan Frederiksen wrote:
>
> > gottdi wrote:
> >> You may check this site and it's just html. http://
> >> supermotor.en.alibaba.com/
> >
> > yes but it contains a lot less info. afaik opening a zip file
> > cannot be
> > a virus risk. a zip file can contain virus infected files but can't
> > be a
> > virus in itself. opening a zip file is riskfree unless you can't help
> > run executable files found inside. and there aren't even any in this
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:32:11 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Thoughts on an idea not fully parsed.
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Have you actually looked at the specs for these motorcycles?
I don't know of a hubmotor driven cycle that goes faster than 35mph, and
that is usually with a 150lb rider.
Compare the total weight of motor cycle and rider to your propossed total
weight, if your vehicle is heavier, then it will go even slower.
Next problem is that these motors are designed to be supported on both
sides. If you try to support them only on one side (like a car) then the
weight of the car will bend/break the shaft.
When you add in the fact that most of these motors aren't particularly
efficient, or cheap, you end up with an expensive idea that doesn't work
very well.
> I seem more enamored with the idea of hub motors than any other
> configuration.
> I've looked at several electric motorcycles and was wondering about
> using those motors for a small car.
> The idea would be to use either 2 or 4 of the hub motors used on one of
> these bikes to the wheels.
> Something along the lines of a Geo Metro or Ford Festiva. Either car
> should be able to be fully realized at less than 1700 lbs I believe.
> This seems like a great idea for an in-town car that isn't expected to
> go over 55-60 MPH or need more than a 60-70 miles range.
> I still haven't figured out the specifics of what I need to build this
> but I am curious about others opinions before I delve into this fully.
> The unsprung weight issue is of absolutely no importance in a vehicle
> like this but the weight reduction and friction reduction gained by
> losing the transmission seems like it should offer substantial benefits.
> Is there some obvious snag that keeps this from being the good idea it
> seems to be to me?
> If someone else has done this can they give me some specifics on their
> vehicle?
>
> John Thornton
>
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:33:20 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Low cost Inflatable electric car is announced as
worlds fi rst crash-proof, long range, f
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...and you thought getting a flat tire was a nuisance!
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:37:12 -0800
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Damaged Bandit cheap
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I have a chance to aquire a wrecked Bandit(electric) three wheeler simular
to a Robin Reliant. It's in the 310 South of LA. If someone is interested
I can get you in contact with the owner. I'd do it myself but I don't have
the time. I'm not sure of the configuration. Also water got inside & the
radio was stolen. But getting it for salvage makes it interesting..
Lawrence Rhodes.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2201981854/ damaged car
http://www.purevehicles.com/ Website
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:51:28 -0800
From: "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Damaged Bandit cheap
To: Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Electric Vehicle
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> I have a chance to aquire a wrecked Bandit(electric) three wheeler simular
> to a Robin Reliant. It's in the 310 South of LA. If someone is interested
> I can get you in contact with the owner. I'd do it myself but I don't have
> the time. I'm not sure of the configuration. Also water got inside & the
> radio was stolen. But getting it for salvage makes it interesting..
> Lawrence Rhodes.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2201981854/ damaged car
> http://www.purevehicles.com/ Website
>
That really sounds like the one that was on craigslist, and they guy
said was sold yesterday.
price has come down as well.
Frankly, I'd be interested, but I'm beginning to wonder if there are
other problems - like is it even titleable in the US?
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:52:33 -0600
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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My new sexiest thing a woman can say,
Suck Amps.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of MIKE WILLMON
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:52 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
Hey John, Thats a most excellent adventure!!
Maserati Quattro-Porte Vs. Datsun Sia-Meese. (pronounced Dat-soon
si-a-mees-ee)
I didn't quite catch the money thing. He wasn't making a wager was he? It
sounded more like he was trying to buy 2 seconds, heh heh.......
Nice work on the video too. Might as well start working on your feature
length film; Jackie Chan slapstick style, or maybe ala Fast & Furious. Looks
like you'll have no problem finding talented fill ins for a crowd ;-)
Keep it up big guy and I may have to come down there so you can have some
real competition.
That and keep an eye on your motor guy ;-P He seems to be getting unwieldy
with that lighter and can of hair spray.
Later
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:23 pm
Subject: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Hello to All,
>
> Last weekend my nephew Wil Christensen and I put together a fun
> video I
> thought fellow EVers might enjoy. It's from the last day of drag
> racing
> (August 25th) with White Zombie in 2007 when we took part in the
> 'Street
> Warriorz' races at PIR. Running on the heavy lead acid pack and
> with the
> extra weight of the 6 point roll bar, and with a not-too-healthy
> Siamese
> 8 motor (that blew on the very next race against the Z06 Vette)
> the low
> 12 second pass isn't one of our best ETs, but the race was still a
> lot
> of fun.
>
> Make sure to have some high quality headphones plugged in to your
> computer or if listening with a good set of speakers with
> subwoofer
> audio setup, crank up the volume!:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGQSQAz9v6c
>
> Thanks to Michael Kadie for helping me reduce the original full
> rez
> video and for putting it on Youtube. As is the norm for Youtube,
> the
> quality had to be reduced to make it fit. If you follow Michael's
> links,
> there are higher rez versions, too. I couldn't get the 80 meg DVD
> quality Quicktime link to fully load and play, but the VCP quality
> MPEG1
> (24 megs) loads fairly quickly and is much clearer than the
> Youtube version.
>
> I hope you enjoy the way we (I and my nephew, both with strong
> musician
> backgrounds) cut, spliced, s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d, and mixed the AC/DC
> audio
> track. If you pay attention, you'll notice how the rythm and the
> timing
> of lyrics fit the various scenes of the video...fun stuff! The
> guys with
> the Maserati were priceless! I just happened to have my camcorder
> on at
> the right time, I guess. I didn't realize it until months later,
> that my
> nephew, Wil, had captured the race from the other side and further
> down
> the track with his digital camera's limited video recording
> capabilities. It was fun putting the two video segments together.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> See Ya....John
>
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:57:05 -0600
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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http://www.openoffice.org/
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Of Steven **
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:51 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
I don't have a mac. But perhaps it's the proprietary Word doc files?
-Steven
On Jan 18, 2008 8:22 AM, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
> >
> > Pete
>
> Uh? Why? just curious as I really want to buy a MAC
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:12 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] What exactly is 80% DOD?
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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> 1.75V/cell under load is considered 100% DOD AT THAT LOAD, but the battery
> itself may still indicate a significant %SOC, which means there's still
> energy there, but I can't use it because my EV requires too high a
> discharge current. So for battery longevity, what is considered an 80%
> discharge? 100% discharge?
For an EV 100% DoD is the point, as stated above, where the battery hits
1.75V per cell at EV current levels. I.e you might hit 100% DoD, but can
still continue driving at reduced speed (generally not a good idea)
To find 80% you need to know how many amp hours are removed to hit ther
100% DoD point. 80% DoD would then be 80% of these Amp hours.
There are some instruments that can measure (apprximately) 80% DoD based
upon the pack's voltage level at a given current draw. However these can
be somewhat missleading because the voltage fluctuates due to MANY other
factors besides current draw and DoD (temperture, age, etc.)
E-meters and similar instruments estimate DoD based on how many amp hours
where removed and at how many amps.
The E-meter starts with an estimated Peukerts capacity of the pack and
counts down using the Peukerts equation and the amps being withdrawn. I
believe it updates the remaining capacity several times per second.
A "cycle" is one discharge then charge, the DoD is irrelevant to counting
cycles. DoD only matters for how MANY cycles you can get, not what
constitutes a cycle. The lower the DoD, the more cycles.
50% DoD is a good compromise between maximizing life and carrying around a
ton of lead.
I.e. if you carried twice as much weight in batteries, you'd get a bit
more than twice as many cycles, but you'd have to pay twice as much up
front, and carry twice as much lead.
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:41:43 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
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You forgot to account for the DVD player and the big screen TV, plus the
tablesaw and drill press.
Sheesh, I don't think my house draws 7kw unless I'm running the washing
machine and dryer.
> Roland Wiench wrote:
>> Now when I add all the accessory power, which could peak to 7000 watts
>> extra,
> Uhhh???? Lesse, probably 600 watt DC/DC running all the 12V stuff, two
> 1500 watt heater elements and a 2500 watt air conditioner condenser,
> would add up to 6100 watts, if you were using max heat and A/C at the
> same time... Add in 850 watts max for a power steering pump, and 200
> watts for a brake booster and I'm up to 7000.
>
> I'm not expecting anywhere near 7KW of accessories in my conversion, am
> I about to get bit?
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:16:03 -0800
From: DJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I'll vouch for OpenOffice stuff. I've been using it for a few months, and
haven't found anything that MS Office can do that the OO suite can't do.
On Jan 18, 2008 7:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.openoffice.org/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf
> Of Steven **
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
>
> I don't have a mac. But perhaps it's the proprietary Word doc files?
>
> -Steven
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 8:22 AM, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
> > >
> > > Pete
> >
> > Uh? Why? just curious as I really want to buy a MAC
> >
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:29:46 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Well I can open all the files except the dwg files in that folder. I
use Neo Office which is just another flavor of Open Office. It was
not that I could not get them to open but the fact its not a nice
neat easy to use web page. As it is I must open one page at a time or
select all and open as a group of pages to filter through. Not so
user friendly in my opinion. I did read the text page. WOW. Super
prices. I want one of those 11" 144 volt motors. : ) I'll take the
risk and try one.
Dan, Send me info on how I can get one here.
Pete
On Jan 18, 2008, at 8:16 AM, DJ wrote:
> I'll vouch for OpenOffice stuff. I've been using it for a few
> months, and
> haven't found anything that MS Office can do that the OO suite
> can't do.
>
> On Jan 18, 2008 7:57 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Steven **
>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:51 AM
>> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
>>
>> I don't have a mac. But perhaps it's the proprietary Word doc files?
>>
>> -Steven
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2008 8:22 AM, Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> The original info is worthless to those of us who are mac users.
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>
>>> Uh? Why? just curious as I really want to buy a MAC
>>>
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:34:10 -0700
From: "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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It depends on how much indications, and comfort items you want.
I have also a 120 vac 6 kw inverter, that powers two water pumps, four fans.
A 145 amp alternator that powers a electric power steering, heater fans, 32
indicators and 57 lighted switches, three contactors coils that draw 5 amps
each and many solid state relays, three heaters.
There is also a electric clutch system that uses two 3 hp motors gang
together to run the accessory drive systems.
I can peak to 100 amps at 14.5 VDC off the alternator. There is 4 DC-DC
converters that drives the motors at a maximum of 22 amps each. The inverter
is rated for 5 kw at 40 amps.
35 years ago, My EV started out with two indicators, and had another large
motor generator and accessory drive motor that is as large as many of the
motors today that drive a EV that draw 30 amps at 180 volts off the main
battery pack.
Roland
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Homic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
> Roland Wiench wrote:
> > Now when I add all the accessory power, which could peak to 7000 watts
> > extra,
> Uhhh???? Lesse, probably 600 watt DC/DC running all the 12V stuff, two
> 1500 watt heater elements and a 2500 watt air conditioner condenser,
> would add up to 6100 watts, if you were using max heat and A/C at the
> same time... Add in 850 watts max for a power steering pump, and 200
> watts for a brake booster and I'm up to 7000.
>
> I'm not expecting anywhere near 7KW of accessories in my conversion, am
> I about to get bit?
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:51:57 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> Any possible "good contributors" can just ask Lee and the others
> questions before joining.
Yes; I think I've been pretty good about answering people's questions.
We're not being secretive -- it's just that there is nothing to be
gained by promotion before the product. We're looking for people who can
help with the design and construction; not customers. If we build it,
they will come; I have no doubt!
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:04:22 -0500
From: Chuck Homic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Flooded vs AGM range
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Roland Wiench wrote:
> I have also a 120 vac 6 kw inverter, that powers two water pumps, four fans.
> A 145 amp alternator that powers a electric power steering, heater fans, 32
> indicators and 57 lighted switches, three contactors coils that draw 5 amps
> each and many solid state relays, three heaters.
>
> There is also a electric clutch system that uses two 3 hp motors gang
> together to run the accessory drive systems.
>
> I can peak to 100 amps at 14.5 VDC off the alternator. There is 4 DC-DC
> converters that drives the motors at a maximum of 22 amps each. The inverter
> is rated for 5 kw at 40 amps.
>
Ah yes, I think I found a picture of your vehicle here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1BFV01.jpg
At least I'm less worried about my conversion now, I won't have any of
that. :) I was afraid there were too many items I didn't think of, but
most of my power will go to my traction motor. No clutch (or at least
cable-powered clutch), I'm likely going to convert to manual steering
rack, I will have heat and A/C but I will desperately try to minimize
their use, and I have no use for lighted indicators, although I think I
will try to rig up a watthour/mile gauge, in order to maximize range. I
have a 30 mile commute, so there won't be an electron to spare, if I
can't charge up at the office. (Planning for worst-case.)
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:05:12 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Ben wrote:
> I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
> list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
> attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
> some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
But we don't *want* to attract the general public! They won't contribute
anything useful, and in fact would be a distraction to keep us from
getting things done.
Suppose you were building an EV in your garage. Would it help if all
your neighbors dropped by to "help"? They would ask an endless stream of
questions, pontificate on putting a generator on your wheel, give advice
on things they don't understand, and in general, just get in the way.
A little bit of money helps, of course. You can buy better tools, or
afford the right part for the job instead of having to make do. But too
much money also gets in the way. It will come with strings attached --
investors that want a say in management, customers who demand design
changes, legal and regulatory red tape, etc.
I think we are proceeding at a reasonably good pace. Fast enough to get
it done in a reasonable time, but slow enough to have time to think
about it and pick the best solutions rather than the first ones that
come to mind. If we had investors and customers and journalists
breathing down our necks, we'd have to make quick bad decisions. (I
don't care how you do it; just get something in there in time for the
show...)
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:06:58 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ben wrote:
> I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
> list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
> attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
> some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
But we don't *want* to attract the general public! They won't contribute
anything useful, and in fact would be a distraction to keep us from
getting things done.
Suppose you were building an EV in your garage. Would it help if all
your neighbors dropped by to "help"? They would ask an endless stream of
questions, pontificate on putting a generator on your wheel, give advice
on things they don't understand, and in general, just get in the way.
A little bit of money helps, of course. You can buy better tools, or
afford the right part for the job instead of having to make do. But too
much money also gets in the way. It will come with strings attached --
investors that want a say in management, customers who demand design
changes, legal and regulatory red tape, etc.
I think we are proceeding at a reasonably good pace. Fast enough to get
it done in a reasonable time, but slow enough to have time to think
about it and pick the best solutions rather than the first ones that
come to mind. If we had investors and customers and journalists
breathing down our necks, we'd have to make quick bad decisions. (I
don't care how you do it; just get something in there in time for the
show...)
Even discussions like this are a distraction. I'm *supposed* to be
looking for the cheapest source of West Systems epoxy and resin. :-)
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 29
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:04:00 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I imagine so. I initially decided not to respond because it was a rather
ungrateful reaction but I imagine there is software for the mac that
reads word files. for instance MS office for mac
Steven ** wrote:
> I don't have a mac. But perhaps it's the proprietary Word doc files?
>
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:40:23 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Chinese DC series motors
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I did read the text page. WOW. Super
> prices. I want one of those 11" 144 volt motors. : ) I'll take the
> risk and try one.
>
> Dan, Send me info on how I can get one here.
>
should be interesting. I'm choosing between the 6.3-96V at 65kg or the
lighter ones around 45kg.
the first value is actually not an inch value but some semi arbitrary kW
rating. they basically have to diameters 192m and 242mm. the biggest
weighs 75kg which is bigger than the typical 9inchers but not quite as
heavy as warp11.
my contact's email address in in the text file. or you can contact them
via their alibaba page
as others have suggested open office might offer you a way to read the
doc files and I imagine there is a way to view the dwg files too. look
for dwg viewer mac
if you can't find anything let me know and I can try to convert them to pdf
Dan
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:39:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] Current Eliminator and The Smoke Screen S10
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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The Current Eliminator was in a game show for Speed TV yesterday at Firebird.
They were filming 10 game shows that will air in Febuary.The contestants
guessed that the CE would run 8.20/11.25 and 12.3. The Current Eliminator had a
bracket race tune-up programed in and ran 8.60, with a terrible reaction time
(they gave me a pro4/10th tree and the car was set up for a full tree. Firebird
raceway was turned into a movie set I was pretty nervous but the producers
were very happy to get an electric on their show. The S 10 was invited out to
be
filmed in the show today. I have already installed all the welding equipment
from Miller so I do not expect race times but it will be another example of an
EV. Dennis Berube
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Message: 32
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:59:39 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [EVDL] 3 Wheeled Vehicles
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To clear any confusion about NEDRA and 3 wheel Vehicles.
1. NEDRA has no right to ban any vehicle from any track that allows
them to participate officiallly or unofficially.
2. In the interest of more closely alligning with NHRA track rules and
insurance regulations, NEDRA will be moving all 3 wheeled vehicles to a
retired classification and will not be recognizing 3 wheeled records in
2008. This does not mean that 3 wheeled vehicles can not compete at
NEDRA events if the track allows. I personally have never had a problem
running at any of the tracks I raced at with either my in line 3
wheeler or my sidecar bike.
3. Florida racers. I will be at the race if you would like to discuss
4. California racers: Jim Ludiker will be at the race if you would
like to discuss.
Shawn Lawless
NEDRA President
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Message: 33
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:46:10 -0500
From: Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Sunrise resurrection was:Spark-EV's Zotye A
Wuzheng<g>!
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On Jan 18, 2008 12:06 PM, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ben wrote:
> > I agree with Dan on this - consider it constructive criticism. The
> > list is mostly aware that you are doing good things, but you'll
> > attract more of the general public if you try and sell your project
> > some, and let everyone know what the contributions would go towards.
>
> But we don't *want* to attract the general public! They won't contribute
> anything useful, and in fact would be a distraction to keep us from
> getting things done.
>
That's the key right there - I don't want to dictate your policies, just a
suggestion. \
You're already doing just what you want, though.
> Suppose you were building an EV in your garage. Would it help if all
> your neighbors dropped by to "help"? They would ask an endless stream of
> questions, pontificate on putting a generator on your wheel, give advice
> on things they don't understand, and in general, just get in the way.
>
True, wouldn't be fun.
>
> I think we are proceeding at a reasonably good pace. Fast enough to get
> it done in a reasonable time, but slow enough to have time to think
> about it and pick the best solutions rather than the first ones that
> come to mind. If we had investors and customers and journalists
> breathing down our necks, we'd have to make quick bad decisions. (I
> don't care how you do it; just get something in there in time for the
> show...)
>
I'm sure you are, didn't want to imply otherwise.
>
> Even discussions like this are a distraction. I'm *supposed* to be
> looking for the cheapest source of West Systems epoxy and resin. :-)
> --
>
Close down your email client when you're "working." I have to do that to
stay focused
at work sometimes - too tempting to read and reply to everything. :)
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Message: 34
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:02:32 -0800
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] White Zombie vs Maserati Video on Youtube
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John ! GREAT Video ! http://youtube.com/watch?v=vGQSQAz9v6c
Especially, having a second camera guy/gal up track
to see the WZ at speed.
Did the guy in the Maz.. know he was going to get beat that bad ?? Or
did he go along with the whole thing.
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
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Eve: 206 524-1351
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Message: 35
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:47:56 -0600
From: Willie McKemie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] ThunderSky YahooGroup
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Do many of you read the ThunderSky YahooGroup? Here is a recent post
that I found highly interesting. Perhaps Dan, Chuck, and others
looking at the bleeding edge of battery development will also.
http://austinfarm.org/homegrown/downloads/thundersky.txt
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Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 34 days 7 hours 44 minutes
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