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Today's Topics:
1. Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper (Jeff Mccabe)
2. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Peter VanDerWal)
3. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Dan Frederiksen)
4. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Ted Sanders)
5. Re: Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper (Christopher Zach)
6. Re: Doubler or Not ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
7. Re: Doubler or Not (dave cover)
8. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Lee Hart)
9. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Rick Beebe)
10. Re: Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper (Lee Hart)
11. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Steven **)
12. Re: Doubler or Not (Lee Hart)
13. Re: Doubler or Not ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
14. Re: Doubler or Not (Lee Hart)
15. Re: Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper (Jeff Mccabe)
16. Possible motor for solectria EV2 (Dan Frederiksen)
17. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack (NEDRA Discussion List)
(Chip Gribben)
18. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Gail Lucas)
19. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Gail Lucas)
20. Re: Censorship, was Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
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21. Re: Electric Pyramid Car (Lee Hart)
22. Re: John Wayland on youtube (Ryan Stotts)
23. Re: Doubler or Not ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
24. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Ralph Merwin)
25. Re: John Wayland on youtube (Roy LeMeur)
26. Re: [seva] Please HELP us Spread this - iMIEV Wish List for
the USA (Steven Lough)
27. Re: Possible motor for solectria EV2 (Morgan LaMoore)
28. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack (NEDRA Discussion List)
(Peter Oliver)
29. Fast Charging (Ryan Stotts)
30. Re: Possible motor for solectria EV2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
31. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Bill Dube)
32. Re: Censorship, was Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (joe)
33. Re: Possible motor for solectria EV2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
34. Re: Loremo EV (Dan Frederiksen)
35. Re: Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC (Paul)
36. Source for lithiums! (joe)
37. Re: Possible motor for solectria EV2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:05:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Mccabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
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Hello fellow Lister's.
I'm going to be making up some new Lee Hart zener
campers for my buddy paired 68ah Odysseys. I
currently run one (6.8v x 5wx2) zeners with 10ohm
resister across the buddy pair.This setup is still
allowing my voltage to go to high with my zivzan ng3
charger.
My question how do I wire up the duel Pr2 bulb setup?
Do I wire the bulbs in parallel, each with their own
10ohm resister.
Thanks, for any guidance .
Jeff McCabe
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:06:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Go to his website and read what he says.
He is clueless about vehicle design, yet thinks he has come up with a
revolutionary design. He claims his vehicle is safer and more efficient
than modern cars.
Apparently he is one of those misguided folks that thinks that if a car
survives intact (i.e. no deformation) then it is safer than a car designed
to absorb the impact (and crumple in the process).
To that end he has used "12 inch I-beams" with lots of cross pieces for
re-enforcement. Probably a large part of why it's so heavy.
He also believes that the pyramid shape is aerodynamically superior, I'm
serious, that's what he claims.
I'm going to try to be nice and just say, go read his website. If nothing
else, it's good for a laugh.
>
> Very creative. My guess is he has little idea about what the rest of the
> EV
> community is doing, thats why his idea is so different. I would have loved
> to build something that fun with my dad growing up! I'm also guessing that
> $60k includes tools (you need a lathe, drill press, welder, and new table
> saw after all! At least thats what you tell the wife!), because the
> plexi-glass, plywood, and hardware store brass hinges are not that
> expensive. Though 80 SLAs ordered through the internet would cost a pretty
> penny especially for UPS shipping!
>
> Either way, he looks like he had a great time with his kids making it and
> impressing (scaring) his neighbors!
>
> -Jon Glauser
> --
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:16:38 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Mark Hanson wrote:
>> Check the link below for what is probably the most comic electric car of>
>> all times.> http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/family_time_wel.php> >>
>> > Mark E. Hanson> > 184 Vista Lane> > Fincastle, VA 24090> >
>> www.solectrol.com <http://www.solectrol.com> 540-473-1248-H
>>
wow that's messed up : ) not sure I believe it weighs that much though.
wouldn't that require some sort of truck truck wheels to carry. maybe
it's a typo
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:40:03 -0600
From: Ted Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Amen!!!!!!
Beano -- 1981 Ford Escort EV
EValbum 1010Ted Sanders
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008
> 07:26:37 -0800> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC> >
> David Dymaxion writes:> > > > Some more reasons electric racing helps the EV
> cause:> > Provides a testing ground and market for more reliable EV
> components (Zilla controller, Warp and Husted motors)> > Racing components
> can lighten an EV> > Is a great way to advertise electric cars and generate
> public> > interest Provides good projects for schools> > Racers are car
> people and not afraid to modify cars, hence a good market for EV conversions>
> > And in some ways the racers themselves hurt 'the EV cause' when they>
> reduce themselves to endless bickering about who won what record when,> or
> when they start 'smack talking' each other, in jest or otherwise.> > I've
> gotten to the point where I simply delete any message that appears> to be
> drag racing or NEDRA related because they're mostly just a bunch> of
> testosterone-injected B.S. M!
ost of these postings are only vaguely> related to the EVDL because the
vehicle happens to be an electric.> > I would certainly be disappointed to see
people leave the list over this> issue. Hopefully the NEDRA folks can setup a
suitable mailing list for> drag racing banter and records arguments, and stay
on the EVDL for all> the other 'electric vehicle' topics that we all benefit
from.> > Ralph> > _______________________________________________> For
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:10:23 -0500
From: Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Jeff Mccabe wrote:
> Hello fellow Lister's.
> I'm going to be making up some new Lee Hart zener
> campers for my buddy paired 68ah Odysseys. I
> currently run one (6.8v x 5wx2) zeners with 10ohm
> resister across the buddy pair.This setup is still
> allowing my voltage to go to high with my zivzan ng3
> charger.
> My question how do I wire up the duel Pr2 bulb setup?
> Do I wire the bulbs in parallel, each with their own
> 10ohm resister.
You would build a whole second reg. Not too hard. Because otherwise you
would need a pair of 10watt zeners and those might be harder to find.
Chris
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:22:38 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Is there any reason you can't use a resistor to drop the pack
voltage to the coil? Its not much current.
Rick Prentiss
-------------- Original message from Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> gottdi wrote:
> > I am going to purchase a 72 volt DC to DC converter that puts out
> > 24 volts. Or I can get the converter that puts out 12v and use a
> > doubler so I can power the contactor. I was also told that I could
> > just upgrade my accessories to 24 volt and use the 24 volt converter.
> > What do you guru's recommend that I do in regards to the DC to DC
> > converter. I don't really want to use a battery to power the components
> > unless I can use the converter to keep the battery charged.
>
> Any of the approaches you mentioned can work. Cars are 12v, so most
> accessories, contactors, etc. are this voltage.
>
> But if your main contactor has a 24v coil, you can use a voltage doubler
> or separate DC/DC to power it.
>
> You could also change your whole system over to 24v. Airplanes and some
> trucks and buses use 24v systems. But that's a lot of work unless there
> is some other reason to do it.
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:29:46 -0500
From: "dave cover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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On 2/21/08, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But if your main contactor has a 24v coil, you can use a voltage doubler
> or separate DC/DC to power it.
>
Lee
Wouldn't your economiser circuit work here. IIRC the recent thread
mentioned that the circuit could be built to draw in and hold a 24v
contactor in a 12v system. The thread is only a few weeks old and
should be easy to find.
Dave Cover
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:41:02 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Mark Hanson wrote:
> Check the link below for what is probably the most comic electric car
> of all times. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/family_time_wel.php
Thanks for my laugh-of-the day, Mark! That has to be the strangest
design I have ever seen. But I looked at his website,
www.dreamcar123.com and I must say, the guy may be nuts or naive, but
he's not stupid. Read the letter describing the vehicle. The design
makes a strange kind of sense.
It weighs 8000 lbs, but 5000 lbs of that is batteries. How many vehicles
do you know that get 62% of their weight in batteries?
The drag coefficient is not bad, and the frontal area is tiny; probably
under 10 sq.ft. Between this and the battery weight, it really does have
the potential for high speeds and long range. His crude prototype is
woefully underpowered, but that's fixable.
The translucent body and interior lighting... now that's, err, different.
The shape and the strength described makes me worry for the driver of
any poor SUV that hits this thing!
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:56:04 -0500
From: Rick Beebe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Lee Hart wrote:
> Mark Hanson wrote:
>> Check the link below for what is probably the most comic electric car
>> of all times. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/02/family_time_wel.php
I think I saw something just like that on "Robot Wars" <g>
--Rick
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:19 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Jeff Mccabe wrote:
> I'm going to be making up some new Lee Hart zener clampers for
> my buddy paired 68ah Odysseys. I currently run one (6.8v x 5wx2)
> zeners with 10 ohm resister across the buddy pair. This setup is
> still allowing my voltage to go to high with my Zivan NG3 charger.
The original version had two 6.8v 5w zeners and a PR2 lamp in series,
plus a 10 ohm resistor across the lamp. This version will only draw up
to 0.5 amps when clamping. If your charger is delivering more current
than this, the battery voltage will continue to rise.
6.8v at 500ma is 3.4 watts; about the most you can expect a 5w zener to
stand.
> My question how do I wire up the dual Pr2 bulb setup?
The 6v or 8v version used one zener and one PR2 in series; but this was
repeated twice so it could clamp up to 1 amp. If you try two PR2 lamps
in parallel (or some higher current lamp) fed by just one zener, it is
likely to overheat and fail.
> Do I wire the bulbs in parallel, each with their own
> 10ohm resister.
The 10 ohm resistor was just a backup system, so the regulator still
worked (but at reduced capacity) even if the lamp burned out.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:03:37 -0600
From: "Steven **" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I'm more worried about the guy in the pyramid. The SUV has a nice
ramp to drive up no matter which side of the pyramid-car it hits. I
see the driver of that car getting his head driven over or just taken
off... :-/
-Steven
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The shape and the strength described makes me worry for the driver of
> any poor SUV that hits this thing!
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:07:39 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Is there any reason you can't use a resistor to drop the pack
> voltage to the coil? Its not much current.
I think he has the reveres problem; only a 12v supply, and a 24v
contactor coil.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:06:24 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I would love to do the doubler and I do have the thread but since I
am illiterate when it comes to ascii diagrams I can't figure any of
that out. I am an electrical idiot but I am learning. I'd actually
need someone to walk me through this or just build one for me for a
price. I can afford to get two 12 volt ones and combine the two for
any thing that will need 28 volt. I may just get the 12 volt one and
see if someone here can help me with a doubler. I'd like to get my
hands on and actually build something.
Pete : )
On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:29 PM, dave cover wrote:
> On 2/21/08, Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> But if your main contactor has a 24v coil, you can use a voltage
>> doubler
>> or separate DC/DC to power it.
>>
> Lee
>
> Wouldn't your economiser circuit work here. IIRC the recent thread
> mentioned that the circuit could be built to draw in and hold a 24v
> contactor in a 12v system. The thread is only a few weeks old and
> should be easy to find.
>
> Dave Cover
>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:23:55 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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dave cover wrote:
> Wouldn't your economiser circuit work here. IIRC the recent thread
> mentioned that the circuit could be built to draw in and hold a 24v
> contactor in a 12v system. The thread is only a few weeks old and
> should be easy to find.
Yes; that's what I'm doing with the 28v contactor coils I have.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:22:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff Mccabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Two Pr2 bulb voltage clamper
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Christopher and Lee,
Thanks. Ill will run two clampers per battery(buddy
pair). Probably one on each battery and not jump
across buddy pairs.
Cant wait to get my Porsche back. Its been in the
paint shop for two weeks now. I will show off the new
paint as soon as I get it back.
Thanks again,
Jeff
--- Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Mccabe wrote:
> > I'm going to be making up some new Lee Hart zener
> clampers for
> > my buddy paired 68ah Odysseys. I currently run
> one (6.8v x 5wx2)
> > zeners with 10 ohm resister across the buddy
> pair. This setup is
> > still allowing my voltage to go to high with my
> Zivan NG3 charger.
>
> The original version had two 6.8v 5w zeners and a
> PR2 lamp in series,
> plus a 10 ohm resistor across the lamp. This version
> will only draw up
> to 0.5 amps when clamping. If your charger is
> delivering more current
> than this, the battery voltage will continue to
> rise.
>
> 6.8v at 500ma is 3.4 watts; about the most you can
> expect a 5w zener to
> stand.
>
> > My question how do I wire up the dual Pr2 bulb
> setup?
>
> The 6v or 8v version used one zener and one PR2 in
> series; but this was
> repeated twice so it could clamp up to 1 amp. If you
> try two PR2 lamps
> in parallel (or some higher current lamp) fed by
> just one zener, it is
> likely to overheat and fail.
>
> > Do I wire the bulbs in parallel, each with their
> own
> > 10ohm resister.
>
> The 10 ohm resistor was just a backup system, so the
> regulator still
> worked (but at reduced capacity) even if the lamp
> burned out.
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377,
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> For subscription options, see
> http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:54:50 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Possible motor for solectria EV2
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I mentioned this lead I found a while back before:
http://cn-dcmotors.en.alibaba.com/product/50059273/200645693/DC_Motors/ELECTRICAL_CAR_MOTOR.html
a synchronous AC motor (brushless DC) with a fixed 1:8.21 gearbox and
differential. it's rated at 8kW but can presumably do more if pushed.
normally they'd only sell it with its native controller for 3k$ but I
managed to get a price of 2k$ out of them for the motor and transaxle
(gear and diff).
the motor can apparently not work without the gearbox as it has no front
plate then.
the motor is 230mm wide so it must be able to do more than 8kW with the
right controller. (which would have to be developed for it, they say
it's not always compatible)
the lowest voltage model is 192v so boosted use would probably require a
fairly high pack voltage. maybe 400v or topspeed might suffer a bit
but could it be made to work it would represent a nice clean all in one
solution for a light car.
a design much like the tesla roadster
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:11:49 -0500
From: Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack (NEDRA Discussion List)
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ralph, we do have such a list. The NEDRA Yahoo List.
It's been up for a couple years and Brian Hall and I are the moderators.
I would encourage NEDRA members and EV drag racing enthusiasts to
share your projects, records, racing accomplishments and stuff.
You can join the list from the NEDRA Home Page.
I understand the preference for NEDRA members to share their
accomplishments and events on the EVDL. We need the EVDL to get the
word out to the masses.
Chip Gribben
PR Director
NEDRA
http://www.nedra.com
On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:26:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> David Dymaxion writes:
>>
>> Some more reasons electric racing helps the EV cause:
>> Provides a testing ground and market for more reliable EV
>> components (Zilla controller, Warp and Husted motors)
>> Racing components can lighten an EV
>> Is a great way to advertise electric cars and generate public
>> interest Provides good projects for schools
>> Racers are car people and not afraid to modify cars, hence a good
>> market for EV conversions
>
> And in some ways the racers themselves hurt 'the EV cause' when they
> reduce themselves to endless bickering about who won what record when,
> or when they start 'smack talking' each other, in jest or otherwise.
>
> I've gotten to the point where I simply delete any message that
> appears
> to be drag racing or NEDRA related because they're mostly just a bunch
> of testosterone-injected B.S. Most of these postings are only vaguely
> related to the EVDL because the vehicle happens to be an electric.
>
> I would certainly be disappointed to see people leave the list over
> this
> issue. Hopefully the NEDRA folks can setup a suitable mailing list
> for
> drag racing banter and records arguments, and stay on the EVDL for all
> the other 'electric vehicle' topics that we all benefit from.
>
> Ralph
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:07:13 -0800
From: "Gail Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Thank you David! I would be happy to see Dan gone completely but any
reduction in his posts will help.
Gail
----- Original Message -----
From: "EVDL Administrator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
> Sorry to break in again. I said I was done with this thread but I think I
> should advise the list of a moderation action.
>
> Although I don't object to Dan Frederiksen trash-talking about me, I won't
> let him use abusive language about other members of the list. I've
> received
> several complaints about his contributions to this thread. And I have to
> agree, he's way out of line and disruptive.
>
> There's also the fact that every time I open one of his posts, I have to
> wipe the flecks of his spittle off the inside of my monitor screen. ;-)
>
> Therefore I'm going be a Big Meanie (tm) and reject all further posts by
> him
> in this thread. I will preserve them, however. If anyone would like to
> read the rejected posts by Dan Frederiksen, please contact me by private
> email to receive copies. see evdl.org/help for my private address.
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:18:24 -0800
From: "Gail Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Ralph,
You totally conveyed my feelings in your message. I am glad I am not the
only one who has no interest in EV racing. Speed is the cause of many
accidents on our roads and I see no reason to encourage driving faster than
the posted speed limits.
Gail
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Merwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
>
> And in some ways the racers themselves hurt 'the EV cause' when they
> reduce themselves to endless bickering about who won what record when,
> or when they start 'smack talking' each other, in jest or otherwise.
>
> I've gotten to the point where I simply delete any message that appears
> to be drag racing or NEDRA related because they're mostly just a bunch
> of testosterone-injected B.S. Most of these postings are only vaguely
> related to the EVDL because the vehicle happens to be an electric.
>
> I would certainly be disappointed to see people leave the list over this
> issue. Hopefully the NEDRA folks can setup a suitable mailing list for
> drag racing banter and records arguments, and stay on the EVDL for all
> the other 'electric vehicle' topics that we all benefit from.
>
> Ralph
>
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:01:42 -0800
From: Roger Stockton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Censorship, was Plasma Boy talking smack about
2SSIC
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Morgan LaMoore wrote:
> How many of this group's posts have been censored? If the
> censoring was only put in place in response to the flame war
> that happened last month and are only blocking similar posts
> that are more about arguing than about the original topic,
> then I don't see the problem with it.
> Flame wars like that are bad for the list and scare away newbies.
I was one of those who participated in the recent discussion, and received a
note offline advising me that my latest post was being held along with some
posts by others on that topic because the tone of the exchange in these posts
was escalating to flame-like levels. I replied that I was comfortable with
what I'd written, but was equally comfortable with the post being discarded at
David's discretion. I did caution him that either way I could not guarantee I
would not (attempt to) respond to future posts in the thread. ;^>
The thread died off and I have not attempted to post anything related to it
again, and my posts seem to be going through in a timely manner.
I would suspect that if the other parties involved in that exchange try posting
in a completely different thread (different subject line, and probably don't
start by replying to a message with the old subject line and simply change the
subject), they will probably discover that the moderation is indeed limited to
posts about that topic from those of us who were perhaps getting a bit too
animated in our debate.
I've been on this list since the mid-90's, and this is not the first time that
John W and Rod W have either left the list or threatened to do so. I will echo
the others who have expressed that this would truly be a shame for all parties,
but I think it would be inappropriate for the list policies to be enforced to
different standards for different participants, no matter how valuable their
contributions to the furtherment of EVs or how interesting or entertaining
their writing might be.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:38:15 -0600
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Electric Pyramid Car
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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Lee Hart wrote:
>> The shape and the strength described makes me worry for the driver
>> of any poor SUV that hits this thing!
Steven ** wrote:
> I'm more worried about the guy in the pyramid. The SUV has a nice
> ramp to drive up no matter which side of the pyramid-car it hits.
> I see the driver of that car getting his head driven over or just
> taken off... :-/
His plans describe 2" x 2" square tubing for the supports for that dome,
and 1/2" bulletproof plexiglass for the windows. If that's the case, I
doubt a mere SUV would get through it.
But his prototype appears to be built a lot flimsier than this. I
suppose he's on a very restrictive budget, and a rank amateur at this
sort of design and construction.
He describes his car like it's a rolling bridge abutment; shaped to
deflect anything that hits it, and so heavy and solid that it would
destroy or crush any lesser vehicle.
--
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget the perfect offering
There is a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:42:47 -0600
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] John Wayland on youtube
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I'm looking for a video I saw a while back of 2SSIC and White Zombie
driving down the street together. Anyone know where this video is?
It was surreal seeing these two vehicles silently cruising down the
street like they were.
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:50:20 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Doubler or Not
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
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I have not purchased the DC to DC yet. I am deciding on which way to
go so I get the best for my situation. I am leaning towards the 12
volt DC to DC.
: )
On Feb 21, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Lee Hart wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Is there any reason you can't use a resistor to drop the pack
>> voltage to the coil? Its not much current.
>
> I think he has the reveres problem; only a 12v supply, and a 24v
> contactor coil.
>
> --
> Ring the bells that still can ring
> Forget the perfect offering
> There is a crack in everything
> That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
> --
> Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377,
> leeahart_at_earthlink.net
>
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:00:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Gail Lucas writes:
>
> You totally conveyed my feelings in your message. I am glad I am not the
> only one who has no interest in EV racing. Speed is the cause of many
> accidents on our roads and I see no reason to encourage driving faster than
> the posted speed limits.
Well, I'm not against EV racing itself. I miss the "bunch of friends out
racing" feeling of the early Woodburn events. I just don't have patience
for the arguments and pissing contests that have occured on the EVDL.
Ralph
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:17:49 -0800
From: Roy LeMeur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] John Wayland on youtube
To: EVDL EVDL <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ryan Stotts wrote:
> I'm looking for a video I saw a while back of 2SSIC and White Zombie
> driving down the street together. Anyone know where this video is?
> It was surreal seeing these two vehicles silently cruising down the
> street like they were.
That would be this one-
"Running on Lithium" Part One-
http://homepage.mac.com/filmranch/iMovieTheater62.html
Also see-
"Running on Lithium" Part Two-
http://homepage.mac.com/filmranch/iMovieTheater63.html
~~~~~~
Roy LeMeur
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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:21:32 -0800
From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [seva] Please HELP us Spread this - iMIEV Wish
List for the USA
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
<ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Thanks Roger:
Well since YESTERDAY the "Signatores" went from 60 to OVER 250.
But the URL you typed in Roger, is ...what do they call it when it goes
to the next line and drops OFF some of the URL ..? Trunkated ?
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/02/21/want-the-imiev-in-the-u-s-sign-the-petition/
Yah... that is what happened, the END of the url is in Black-n-white,
not the customary blue...
So here is a TinyURL also..Just in case.
( http://tinyurl.com/2ml6w8 )
From the AuboBlogGreen Article, seems they like our idea !!
Roger Swearingen wrote:
> Well, it's appeared on AutoBlogGreen.com:
> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/02/21/want-the-imiev-in-the-u-s-sign-t
> he-petition/
>
> Roger
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Lough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [seva] Please HELP us Spread this
>
>
> Happy to see so many folks signing the Wish List for the Mitsubishi
> iMIEV..
>
> Tryning to create a waiting list similar to the more expensive
> Chev VOLT.
>
> But untill there are some THousand or more signatores, I do not think
> it useful to forward this to Mitsubishi USA.
>
> So could you help me Find places, Web Sites, Blogs, BB's, and what
> have you, to forward the Invitation below,so more folks can sign ON.
> Thanks..
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To: Mitsubishi Motors North America, Inc.
>
> We would like to encourage Mitsubishi to bring the i MiEV electric car
> to the United States of America. We feel there is sufficient demand for
> an affordable electric vehicle and the market is just waiting for a
> strong candidate to be sold. The attention that the Tesla Roadster and
> GM Volt prototype have received in national media are strong indications
>
> that the American public is ready for this type of vehicle, and
> Mitsubishi has shown that it has a good candidate for opening up this
> market in America.
>
> To Cast your Vote, go to:
> http://www.petitiononline.com/iMiEV/petition.html
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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Seattle, WA 98115-7230
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:28:24 -0600
From: "Morgan LaMoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible motor for solectria EV2
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
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That motor is only rated to run at 3200 rpms, which corresponds to 390
wheel rpms. Just because it's brushless DC doesn't mean it can safely
operate at 10000 rpms; its bearings probably would fail quickly. That
means you're likely stuck at NEV speeds.
Also, it isn't safe to assume that it can handle more than 8kW just
because it's 9" across. If they designed the motors and controllers as
a package, they likely only sized the wire for 50A. Even if you
quadruple the copper losses and make a 100A controller, that's still
very weak compared to series-wound DC motors. (I know the voltage is
higher, but compare 300V at 100A to 144V at 550A with a Curtis.)
Finally, how long is it going to take to design the controller (and
who will do it)? We don't want even more delays for the Sunrise.
-Morgan LaMoore
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:32:11 -0800
From: "Peter Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack (NEDRA Discussion List)
To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello All - My family was involved in auto racing from the beginning of time
as I know it. My earliest childhood memories are of the trips to various
race tracks where my dad drove and I eventually ended up working on his
sprint car.
Auto racing has made SIGNIFICANT contributions to the advancement of
technologies in the cars of today. The first documented use of the rear
view mirror was in the Indy 500 race, first seat belts, advanced chassis
design, disk brakes, crumble zones, fuel injection, and many more safety and
technical advances started at the track and found their way in the
production cars driven today.
I am helping with EV builds at our local college. One of the first
questions new students or casual students asks is "how fast does it go?"
Granted it is not the question we would prefer but the answer keeps them
interested. We show EV's smoking Porsches, Mustangs and other exotic's and
that gets them into the program. Once in the program the EV must stand on
its on merits to hold their interest and we are fairly successful in that
regard. But something has to get attention, racing does that.
You can be sure that racing is a barometer for all of the manufacturer's
well. Just ask Brian - he picked up a battery sponsor who recognized the
value of the publicity world records receive. How many of us have checked
out their site since the news of Brian's success?
All of the advancements on the track will translate directly to advancements
in the EV industry. I for one would like to be sure we continue to
publicize the racing results if for no other reason then to reinforce what I
am trying to do, swimming upstream is difficult and I need all of the
encouragement and reinforcements available.
Thanks to you all for the support.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Chip Gribben
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 1:12 PM
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack (NEDRA Discussion List)
Ralph, we do have such a list. The NEDRA Yahoo List.
It's been up for a couple years and Brian Hall and I are the moderators.
I would encourage NEDRA members and EV drag racing enthusiasts to
share your projects, records, racing accomplishments and stuff.
You can join the list from the NEDRA Home Page.
I understand the preference for NEDRA members to share their
accomplishments and events on the EVDL. We need the EVDL to get the
word out to the masses.
Chip Gribben
PR Director
NEDRA
http://www.nedra.com
On Feb 21, 2008, at 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:26:37 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
> To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> David Dymaxion writes:
>>
>> Some more reasons electric racing helps the EV cause:
>> Provides a testing ground and market for more reliable EV
>> components (Zilla controller, Warp and Husted motors)
>> Racing components can lighten an EV
>> Is a great way to advertise electric cars and generate public
>> interest Provides good projects for schools
>> Racers are car people and not afraid to modify cars, hence a good
>> market for EV conversions
>
> And in some ways the racers themselves hurt 'the EV cause' when they
> reduce themselves to endless bickering about who won what record when,
> or when they start 'smack talking' each other, in jest or otherwise.
>
> I've gotten to the point where I simply delete any message that
> appears
> to be drag racing or NEDRA related because they're mostly just a bunch
> of testosterone-injected B.S. Most of these postings are only vaguely
> related to the EVDL because the vehicle happens to be an electric.
>
> I would certainly be disappointed to see people leave the list over
> this
> issue. Hopefully the NEDRA folks can setup a suitable mailing list
> for
> drag racing banter and records arguments, and stay on the EVDL for all
> the other 'electric vehicle' topics that we all benefit from.
>
> Ralph
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:56:32 -0600
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Fast Charging
To: EVDL <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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It's often spoken about. We need a demonstration on video. Take a
good sized depleted pack and "fast charge" it.
If it's charged 80%, can I drive 80% of a full packs range?
If so, say for example one wanted a pack of a certain size for a
certain amount of range. Now increase that pack by 20% and only ever
charge it to 80%. Would that work?
Or can a "fast charge" do 100% in the time it takes for 80% normally?
I imagine there are a lot of industry type lurkers on this list and
seeing is believing.
A true fast charge demonstration and an extreme range car. We've got
the performance side of it.
In the case of a single A123 cell. When fully charged, what is the
absolute quickest time that it can be discharged, and then what is the
absolute fastest times it could be recharged to 80% and 100%?
The breakers in our homes are too small compared to the service line
that feeds the house. What is it, 220v at 100 or 200 amps? Dealing
with 50 and 60 amp breakers? How do we take advantage of the full
stream of power that is currently unused? I want to see how fast that
meter can spin... What's it's rpm limit and what happens when it's
exceeded? ;)
We need to be able to recharge the packs using the full 220v at 200 amps(feed).
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:57:31 GMT
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible motor for solectria EV2
To: ev@lists.sjsu.edu
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dan if you are looking for an off the shelf transaxle suitable for EV'd how
about this one....
http://www.enovasystems.com/index.cfm?section=Products&linkID=3
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:48:25 -0700
From: Bill Dube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hmm,
Are we having an argument about arguements?
Way too self-referential for me.
Bill D.
At 04:00 PM 2/21/2008, you wrote:
>Gail Lucas writes:
> >
> > You totally conveyed my feelings in your message. I am glad I am not the
> > only one who has no interest in EV racing. Speed is the cause of many
> > accidents on our roads and I see no reason to encourage driving
> faster than
> > the posted speed limits.
>
>Well, I'm not against EV racing itself. I miss the "bunch of friends out
>racing" feeling of the early Woodburn events. I just don't have patience
>for the arguments and pissing contests that have occured on the EVDL.
>
>Ralph
>
>_______________________________________________
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Message: 32
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:54:04 -0800
From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Censorship, was Plasma Boy talking smack about
2SSIC
To: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Electric Vehicle
Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Rod, I think you are way, way off the mark - and why are you still making a
lot of trash-talk about the situation?
Joseph H. Strubhar
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: [EVDL] Censorship, was Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
>I have been giving a bit of thought about the group that is currently being
> censored of which I am a member. They do have one thing in common and that
> is racing, but I decided to look a little deeper into some form of
> commonality and I came up with this. This group of people all have
> creativity at their core. I believe it is this need to express oneself
> that
> bothers this group so much about being singled out for censorship. Most
> Americans have shown that they would gladly give up their freedoms for a
> little security. On this note I think I will side with Benjamin Franklin:
> "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security
> will deserve neither and lose both."
>
> Roderick Wilde
>
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:37:24 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible motor for solectria EV2
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Nice set up.
: )
On Feb 21, 2008, at 11:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dan if you are looking for an off the shelf transaxle suitable for
> EV'd how about this one....
>
> http://www.enovasystems.com/index.cfm?section=Products&linkID=3
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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:22:42 +0100
From: Dan Frederiksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Loremo EV
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I got confirmation today from a source inside the company that
> the Loremo http://evolution.loremo.com/content/view/13/47/lang,en/
> will release an electric drive version in 2010 when it debuts and is also
> planning a release to the US market once it meets US regs.
> Look for an announcement soon on their company website.
>
I like a lot about the loremo but I hope they wake up and change the
doors. at least the front door. a change should be for the better, not
just for the sake of it. otherwise it's a really good concept. a 50km
REEV would be the way to go. maybe even less battery range. let's see
how right they get it.
2010 is late though. I don't get the 'it must take 3 years to make a car'
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Message: 35
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:55:15 -0800
From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Plasma Boy talking smack about 2SSIC
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.sjsu.edu>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
I think moderation has generated more posts than the squabbles it
seeks to prevent. However, squabbling about moderation has *zero* EV
content!
Paul Gooch
On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:20 PM, EVDL Administrator wrote:
> I'm going to try to make this my last post in this thread. I would
> be glad
> to discuss this further offline, but if we're not careful this
> thread is
> going to become the very thing I'm trying to prevent.
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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:58:18 -0800
From: "joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [EVDL] Source for lithiums!
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Hello Listers,
I went in to visit my friend Larry today at Electric Wheels, Inc., and he
showed me a pack of Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries that he is shipping to
Kansas. He says he is the exclusive distributor for these batteries, made in
China by one of the largest and most reputable battery manufacturers over
there. He personally went to China to make the deal, and he is selling them
in the US. He and his son break down the packs to reconfigure them to 12V
blocks, and they are selling a 72V 100 Ahr pack for $6500 plus freight from
Salem, OR. The chargers with BMS included for each cell cost $500. Right now
they can only do a 72V pack, as the chargers have to be configured for the
pack - but you could double up on the batteries to make a 144V pack, and use
the same charger. The 12V packs are just a tad smaller than a Group 31
lead-acid.
Does this sound like a good deal? It definitely has me excited!!! Go to his
website for more info www.electricwheelsinc.com and click on the "Batteries"
on the left side to get the specs. Sorry, I promised him that I wouldn't
reveal the name of the manufacturer.
Joseph H. Strubhar
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 37
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 00:58:04 GMT
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Possible motor for solectria EV2
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The company is in the US and has been doing EV's for quite some time...you hear
about Solectria, you hear about AC Propulsion...these guys just keep on keepin'
on....they've done some hybrid buses, I think they had a contract with phoenix
motor carriages at one point...pretty solid bunch....
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