Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone
Ok, on a second thaught I figured out it would be easier to start up with a feed, and tweak it before we build any email alert, because we should apply some filtering and tweaking. I have added the mentionned sources in atomisator and here's the feed: http://ziade.org/plone/plone.xml (no we interface, you can add it to your usual reader) I am adding now a cron that will upgrade it every hour. the configuration is here : http://ziade.org/plone/plone.cfg we can now think about various filters we can apply to that feed, to reduce it. Any kind of filter can be created. 1 - a filter to remove entries. For instance a filter that will keep only entries that are in english by analyzing the words) 2 - a filter to add infos in entries. For example : doing extra searches on plone.org or any site, and adding links at the bottom of the entry body if it contains special keywords, etc.. 3 - other outputs you can think of (stats, etc..) Cheers On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Horak, Karl keho...@sandia.gov wrote: Tarek, By all means go ahead and set this up. Never let it be said that I stand in the way of a good idea, especially when someone else volunteers to do the work :-)) Feel free to use me as a member of your test list for initial distribution. Karl From: Tarek Ziadé [ziade.ta...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:48 PM To: Nate Aune Cc: Horak, Karl; evangelism@lists.plone.org Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Nate Aune na...@jazkarta.com wrote: Maybe we could use Tarek's Atomisator [1] or Yahoo Pipes [2] to make an aggregate of these search results, and then folks could take turns monitoring the stream of blog posts and Tweets, and responding to them. [1] http://atomisator.ziade.org/ Hello, The aggregator is a nice idea, and I have another proposal to make it simpler to follow: I can configure Atomisator to send for example one mail per day to a mailing list ala google mail alert instead of creating a feed, that summarizes what has been said on all selected networks the day before, Let me know if this sounds good, I can set this up on my server Cheers Tarek [2] http://pipes.yahoo.com One of my friends is building a Django app called Tweet and Shout, which is designed for customer service and PR folks and provides a streamlined interface for responding to Tweets about a company's products or services. It's built with jQuery and the entire interface can be controlled with the arrow keys, so you can respond to a lot of Tweets very quickly, even using canned responses. We might also want to consider setting up an account at one of the following sites to provide an easier way for folks to submit feedback (the Trac issue tracker is not very inviting for newbies) http://getsatisfaction.com http://uservoice.com https://launchpad.net/+tour/index I'd appreciate hearing from others about if and/or how we should be attempting this. I would be interested in helping to come up with a process for monitoring and responding to frustrations voiced by those using or evaluating Plone. Nate -- Nate Aune - na...@jazkarta.com http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) PondCMS: Fully managed Plone-based CMS solution http://jazkarta.com/products/pondcms -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone
(reading the feed right now) For instance, we could probably filter out al the twwet entry that starts is issued from SOMEONE where SOMEONE is a tweet nick listed in a text file called friends_of_plone.txt Because we don't need to treat read or respond to them, as they are enthusiast about Plone. Same thing for blog entries : we could probably remove all entries from blog entries if the blog is listed in a text file. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, on a second thaught I figured out it would be easier to start up with a feed, and tweak it before we build any email alert, because we should apply some filtering and tweaking. I have added the mentionned sources in atomisator and here's the feed: http://ziade.org/plone/plone.xml (no we interface, you can add it to your usual reader) I am adding now a cron that will upgrade it every hour. the configuration is here : http://ziade.org/plone/plone.cfg we can now think about various filters we can apply to that feed, to reduce it. Any kind of filter can be created. 1 - a filter to remove entries. For instance a filter that will keep only entries that are in english by analyzing the words) 2 - a filter to add infos in entries. For example : doing extra searches on plone.org or any site, and adding links at the bottom of the entry body if it contains special keywords, etc.. 3 - other outputs you can think of (stats, etc..) Cheers On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Horak, Karl keho...@sandia.gov wrote: Tarek, By all means go ahead and set this up. Never let it be said that I stand in the way of a good idea, especially when someone else volunteers to do the work :-)) Feel free to use me as a member of your test list for initial distribution. Karl From: Tarek Ziadé [ziade.ta...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:48 PM To: Nate Aune Cc: Horak, Karl; evangelism@lists.plone.org Subject: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Nate Aune na...@jazkarta.com wrote: Maybe we could use Tarek's Atomisator [1] or Yahoo Pipes [2] to make an aggregate of these search results, and then folks could take turns monitoring the stream of blog posts and Tweets, and responding to them. [1] http://atomisator.ziade.org/ Hello, The aggregator is a nice idea, and I have another proposal to make it simpler to follow: I can configure Atomisator to send for example one mail per day to a mailing list ala google mail alert instead of creating a feed, that summarizes what has been said on all selected networks the day before, Let me know if this sounds good, I can set this up on my server Cheers Tarek [2] http://pipes.yahoo.com One of my friends is building a Django app called Tweet and Shout, which is designed for customer service and PR folks and provides a streamlined interface for responding to Tweets about a company's products or services. It's built with jQuery and the entire interface can be controlled with the arrow keys, so you can respond to a lot of Tweets very quickly, even using canned responses. We might also want to consider setting up an account at one of the following sites to provide an easier way for folks to submit feedback (the Trac issue tracker is not very inviting for newbies) http://getsatisfaction.com http://uservoice.com https://launchpad.net/+tour/index I'd appreciate hearing from others about if and/or how we should be attempting this. I would be interested in helping to come up with a process for monitoring and responding to frustrations voiced by those using or evaluating Plone. Nate -- Nate Aune - na...@jazkarta.com http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) PondCMS: Fully managed Plone-based CMS solution http://jazkarta.com/products/pondcms -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:08 AM, Nate Aune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we could use Tarek's Atomisator [1] or Yahoo Pipes [2] to make an aggregate of these search results, and then folks could take turns monitoring the stream of blog posts and Tweets, and responding to them. [1] http://atomisator.ziade.org/ Hello, The aggregator is a nice idea, and I have another proposal to make it simpler to follow: I can configure Atomisator to send for example one mail per day to a mailing list ala google mail alert instead of creating a feed, that summarizes what has been said on all selected networks the day before, Let me know if this sounds good, I can set this up on my server Cheers Tarek [2] http://pipes.yahoo.com One of my friends is building a Django app called Tweet and Shout, which is designed for customer service and PR folks and provides a streamlined interface for responding to Tweets about a company's products or services. It's built with jQuery and the entire interface can be controlled with the arrow keys, so you can respond to a lot of Tweets very quickly, even using canned responses. We might also want to consider setting up an account at one of the following sites to provide an easier way for folks to submit feedback (the Trac issue tracker is not very inviting for newbies) http://getsatisfaction.com http://uservoice.com https://launchpad.net/+tour/index I'd appreciate hearing from others about if and/or how we should be attempting this. I would be interested in helping to come up with a process for monitoring and responding to frustrations voiced by those using or evaluating Plone. Nate -- Nate Aune - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nateaune.com (personal blog) http://jazkarta.com (open source technology solutions) http://twitter.com/natea (daily updates) PondCMS: Fully managed Plone-based CMS solution http://jazkarta.com/products/pondcms -- Tarek Ziadé | Association AfPy | www.afpy.org Blog FR | http://programmation-python.org Blog EN | http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/ ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
RE: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone
No apologies necessary, Howard. As a statistician, I stumbled upon your site looking for online data points, and as a Plone implementer I felt your pain. When our Python guru left, we wandered around in the wilderness for quite a few months but eventually found a balance. It can be very lonely trying to keep a Plone instance healthy. Oddly enough, it was an exploit of a cross-site scripting vulnerability that forced us through a painful and hurried upgrade from 2.1 to 2.5, but once on the other side, things have gone much more smoothly. Alas, one of our portals didn't survive the migration and failed. The other 30 or so have done well. We have funding budgeted for the move to 3.x this year under less pressure. whew I'm sure our single sys admin breaks out in a cold sweat every time I remind him that when 3.2 is stable, we'll need to migrate our 2.5 production environment. My initial reaction was to see if there was help out there in the Plone community for your specific problems. Secondarily was the desire to see the Plone support structure continue to improve itself. UNM's Earth Data Analysis Center here in Albuquerque drifted away from Plone as they required ever more highly customized Python applications. By chance, a State Dept.-funded project (wacsi.unm.edu) that had a critical need for English-Arabic dual language capabilities pushed Plone back into the mix. Even so, a CMS like Plone may not fit the typical use-case for GIS developers. I'll be interesting to see where this all leads in the GIS-Plone world. I hope Kim, Chris, and others continue to interact with you and provide useful technical assistance. Perhaps your Plone site will survive into 3.1 and beyond. One good thing about all this is that the Plone community is looking inside itself to see how it can better structure its support and organize its documentation for admins such as yourself. I was very pleased with the timely response that my intial posting raised on the Plone boards. Best, Karl From: Howard Butler (via Nabble) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:44 PM To: Horak, Karl Subject: Re: Re: [Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:37 PM, Chris Calloway wrote: On 11/2/2008 11:40 PM, T. Kim Nguyen wrote: Here, with his permission, is the start of an email exchange with Howard Butler at umn... I count myself a member of the MapServer community (there are *several* Plone integrators in the MapServer community) and there are some things you should know about this. One is: http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/community/polls/website-future/questionnaire_view_results I have edited the RFC to no longer denigrate Plone. My frustrations were misplaced, and I'm sorry for taking it out on the Plone project. http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46 Howard ___ Evangelism mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://n2.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=1462985i=0 http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism View message @ http://n2.nabble.com/Operation-Ditch-Plone-tp1446111p1462985.html To unsubscribe from Operation Ditch Plone, click here (link removed) . -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Operation-Ditch-Plone-tp1446111p1463301.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Operation Ditch Plone
While trolling the web for Plone stats, I came across a seriously negative webpage (on a Plone site!?) obviously by a frustrated Plone user. His web posting is titled Operation Ditch Plone. Please see http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46 http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/development/rfc/ms-rfc-46 . This item is a Sept. 2008 posting with nothing new being added recently, so there may be time for a positive intervention. This brings to mind two issues. 1) Specifically, how can the Plone community reach out and help Howard and his users? Can this Plone site be saved? 2) More generally, how can we locate and identify frustrated Plone admins and mitigate any negativity? Can we set up a formal process to track sites in danger of falling off the Plone wagon? Would it be possible to assign a POC who could act as a liaison between their admin(s) and Plone tech support? I think it would be valuable if the Plone community had a process that tracks frustrated users and implementers, reach out to them even when they haven't asked or don't know how to ask for help, give them the TLC they need, and minimize the consequences of failed Plone projects. Some of the input that identifies floundering Plone sites would come from the technical support lists and channels, but some could come from people who stumble upon negative blogs and rants on the web. I'd appreciate hearing from others about if and/or how we should be attempting this. If someone with a stronger server admin background wants to help Howard directly, I'd appreciate hearing about that, too. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Operation-Ditch-Plone-tp1446111p1446111.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
