Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
Hi, On 2006-02-02, at 16:31 , Jonathon Coombes wrote: Hi Louis, How easy would it be for such an entity to transfer goods or money for events in Australia, Asia and Europe? Do we need to look at a number of sub-entities, or do you see no real issue here? Regards Jonathon -- I think but would have to check that Team OOo can transfer funds easily enough. The question has more to do with insisting that the LCA, say, is the right venue, and I think there is a strong case to be made for it. best, Louis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 16:58 -0500, Daniel Carrera wrote: > Jonathon Coombes wrote: > > Hi Louis, > > > > How easy would it be for such an entity to transfer goods or money > > for events in Australia, Asia and Europe? Do we need to look at > > a number of sub-entities, or do you see no real issue here? > > A US non-profit may have issues there, it's very restrictive. A UK > limited by guarantee has zero limitations, and can be setup in an > afternoon. Yes, these were my thoughts too. > Jonathon, since you are the marketing co-lead and are a UK resident, why > don't you setup a UK-based company limited by guarantee. Call it > something like "OOo Marketing Inc". Ummm... Wrong Jonathon :) Although I do help with marketing in Australia, I am not the co-lead, and as you probably now guessed, I live in Australia ;) Regards Jonathon -- OOo Tips: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/tips.rss OOo Knowledgebase: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au Training4Linux: http://www.training4linux.com Cybersite Consulting: http://www.cybersite.com.au
Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
Daniel Carrera wrote: Jonathon, since you are the marketing co-lead and are a UK resident, why don't you setup a UK-based company limited by guarantee. Call it something like "OOo Marketing Inc". OOops, I'm going to hide now. Sorry John and Jonathon, for getting you two mixed up. Your names are similar and today I'm not paying attention to what I write. Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ \/_/I am not over-weight, I am under-tall. /
Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
Jonathon Coombes wrote: Hi Louis, How easy would it be for such an entity to transfer goods or money for events in Australia, Asia and Europe? Do we need to look at a number of sub-entities, or do you see no real issue here? A US non-profit may have issues there, it's very restrictive. A UK limited by guarantee has zero limitations, and can be setup in an afternoon. Jonathon, since you are the marketing co-lead and are a UK resident, why don't you setup a UK-based company limited by guarantee. Call it something like "OOo Marketing Inc". Cheers, Daniel. -- /\/`) http://oooauthors.org /\/_/ http://opendocumentfellowship.org /\/_/ \/_/I am not over-weight, I am under-tall. /
Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 10:20 -0500, Louis Suarez-Potts wrote: > Hi, > > On 2006-02-02, at 10:14 , Ian Lynch wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 02:04 +, Graham Lauder wrote: > > > >> In conclusion many positives in terms of the greater conference. > >> Many > >> more educators are aware of OOo. We have a positive high profile > >> as a > >> project, especially in terms of the NLC. However we did > >> ourselves no > >> favours with the MiniConf organisation. We need to substantially > >> lift > >> our game in that area. > > > > The question is how to do it? If its entirely relying on volunteer > > goodwill the quality will be entirely dependent on individuals. > > That is > > a known recipe for uneven standards in whatever field we care to > > mention. Its why we need some form of income stream. Without it I > > can't > > see how this situation will get much better. We had similar > > problems at > > DLS last year and look at the acrymony generated. The difference > > between > > Mozilla and OOo there was because Mozilla sells merchandise they have > > money to fund the things that make their presence at a conference > > work. > > Decent presentation materials and the money to ship them places, > > professionally printed leaflets and handouts and the merchandise > > itself. > > Its really not fair on the volunteers to make the effort to get to > > these > > places often at their own expense and then to be made to feel that > > their > > work is counterproductive. The marketing project needs a budget - if > > necessary set up its own foundation and put some energy into fund > > raising. Yes I know about all the problems with an OOo foundation but > > until all that is sorted out there is nothing to stop the MP > > setting up > > a not for profit bank account and doing some fund raising. We should > > have done it 3 years ago and then we would have been 3 years further > > down the road but if we wait another 3 years..well its a no brainer as > > to the outcome. > > You may want to look at the Community Council archives. Last year we > discussed creating a nonprofit for marketing and other activities > (the actual purpose would be to manage money) but little came of it, > though not because of a real lack of interest. I'm reanimating the > issue and we are beginning to discuss it in the CC. I'm sending a new > draft of the proposal to the CC later on today. Some points: this > nonprofit would be located in North America, probably the US. It > would manage money for OOo activities, including marketing. Hi Louis, How easy would it be for such an entity to transfer goods or money for events in Australia, Asia and Europe? Do we need to look at a number of sub-entities, or do you see no real issue here? Regards Jonathon -- OOo Tips: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au/tips.rss OOo Knowledgebase: http://mindmeld.cybersite.com.au Training4Linux: http://www.training4linux.com Cybersite Consulting: http://www.cybersite.com.au
Re: [marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
Hi, On 2006-02-02, at 10:14 , Ian Lynch wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 02:04 +, Graham Lauder wrote: In conclusion many positives in terms of the greater conference. Many more educators are aware of OOo. We have a positive high profile as a project, especially in terms of the NLC. However we did ourselves no favours with the MiniConf organisation. We need to substantially lift our game in that area. The question is how to do it? If its entirely relying on volunteer goodwill the quality will be entirely dependent on individuals. That is a known recipe for uneven standards in whatever field we care to mention. Its why we need some form of income stream. Without it I can't see how this situation will get much better. We had similar problems at DLS last year and look at the acrymony generated. The difference between Mozilla and OOo there was because Mozilla sells merchandise they have money to fund the things that make their presence at a conference work. Decent presentation materials and the money to ship them places, professionally printed leaflets and handouts and the merchandise itself. Its really not fair on the volunteers to make the effort to get to these places often at their own expense and then to be made to feel that their work is counterproductive. The marketing project needs a budget - if necessary set up its own foundation and put some energy into fund raising. Yes I know about all the problems with an OOo foundation but until all that is sorted out there is nothing to stop the MP setting up a not for profit bank account and doing some fund raising. We should have done it 3 years ago and then we would have been 3 years further down the road but if we wait another 3 years..well its a no brainer as to the outcome. You may want to look at the Community Council archives. Last year we discussed creating a nonprofit for marketing and other activities (the actual purpose would be to manage money) but little came of it, though not because of a real lack of interest. I'm reanimating the issue and we are beginning to discuss it in the CC. I'm sending a new draft of the proposal to the CC later on today. Some points: this nonprofit would be located in North America, probably the US. It would manage money for OOo activities, including marketing. Best, Louis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
[marketing-events] Re: [Marketing] LCA 2006 report
On Fri, 2006-02-03 at 02:04 +, Graham Lauder wrote: > In conclusion many positives in terms of the greater conference. Many > more educators are aware of OOo. We have a positive high profile as a > project, especially in terms of the NLC. However we did ourselves no > favours with the MiniConf organisation. We need to substantially lift > our game in that area. The question is how to do it? If its entirely relying on volunteer goodwill the quality will be entirely dependent on individuals. That is a known recipe for uneven standards in whatever field we care to mention. Its why we need some form of income stream. Without it I can't see how this situation will get much better. We had similar problems at DLS last year and look at the acrymony generated. The difference between Mozilla and OOo there was because Mozilla sells merchandise they have money to fund the things that make their presence at a conference work. Decent presentation materials and the money to ship them places, professionally printed leaflets and handouts and the merchandise itself. Its really not fair on the volunteers to make the effort to get to these places often at their own expense and then to be made to feel that their work is counterproductive. The marketing project needs a budget - if necessary set up its own foundation and put some energy into fund raising. Yes I know about all the problems with an OOo foundation but until all that is sorted out there is nothing to stop the MP setting up a not for profit bank account and doing some fund raising. We should have done it 3 years ago and then we would have been 3 years further down the road but if we wait another 3 years..well its a no brainer as to the outcome. BTW, Graham thanks for the report. I only wish I could have got down under again - maybe next year :-) -- Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZMS Ltd
