Is complexity theory anti-reductionist?

2002-12-29 Thread James N Rose
To the ISCE list; cc's to related topic listservs. == Dear At et al., Consideration is a dual-process, not 'either-or'. When mapped vis a vis holism that is requisitely true. The consideration of a 'particular' occurs because such 'particular' -is

Re: The Mind (off topic, but then, is anything off topic on this list?)

2002-12-29 Thread John M
John M wrote: Eric, your proposal sounds like: here I am and here is my mind . What gave you the idea that the two can be thought of as separate entities? The fact that we differentiate between a bowel movement and a thinking process in philosophy ... does not MAKE them separate entities.

Re: Is complexity theory anti-reductionist?

2002-12-29 Thread James N Rose
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Jamie, I really need to know where you acquired this idea about Goedel It is foreign to me! Please cite me a source! I do not understand how we can go from a proof that formal models that include arithmetic operations will contain statements that are

More lengthy mind arguments

2002-12-29 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Lengthy response follows: Ignore if not interested. John M wrote: (Some criticisms which I am struggling with genuine effort to understand, independent of attacks on style, which I may have started. Sorry A few factors: 1. BRAINS AND BRAIN SOFTWARE ARE HIGHLY SPECIALIZED AND OPTIMIZED One

Re: More lengthy mind arguments

2002-12-29 Thread John M
Dear Eric, I don't want to bore the list, will reply in private. Just one rem to #4: I may dislike something without providing a better format. To say it's wrong doesn't oblige me to improve/teach. Not even in scientific circles. John Mikes Ph.D. - Original Message - From: Eric Hawthorne

Last note to list on mind stuff (I promise)

2002-12-29 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Also you plunge into the 'computer' idea, a machine that thinks using memory. Again, in classical reductionism, as a Ding an Sich a white elephant on its own. The reason that I try to describe thinking that way (in isolation from its incarnation) is so that we can characterize the thinking