Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Tim May wrote On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote: In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching

Re: Universes infinite in time

2003-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 16:07 -0800 8/01/2003, Hal Finney wrote: The interesting aspect from this list's perspective is how to regard infinite-time cosmologies. Does it make sense to imagine a universe which has had an infinite past? How could we simulate that on a computer, if there were no starting point? We

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Thanks Bruno, for your comments, I fully agree with you. Let me add a few comments for Tim and Scerir Tim May wrote: Consider this thought experiment: Alice is facing her quantum mechanics exam at Berkeley. She sees two main approaches to take. First, study hard and try to answer all of

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row - in other words

Re: Universes infinite in time

2003-01-09 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Bruno Marchal wrote: For example they will correctly infer some standard model particle theory from they high level experimentations, but as soon they will build particle accelerator to verify their theories, discrepancies will appear (just because we have not simulate the society-world at such

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Tim May wrote: From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Eric Hawthorne
George Levy wrote: Conclusions: All this involves really basic probability theory. The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability conditional to the person staying alive. But that first-person probability is not objective, and not valid, and not useful. Consider