RE: Extended Response on Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-22 Thread Giu1i0 Pri5c0
Interesting, and I agree with the last paragraph: making good choice increases the measure of the region of the multiverse where good choices have been made and everyone is better off. An alternative view of which I am thinking a lot is that our conscious thought processes actually take place in

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-22 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: This sort of argument has been raised many times over the centuries, both by rationalists and by their opponents, but it is based the fundamental error of conflating science with ethics. Science deals with matters of fact; it does not comment on whether these facts

Re: Ethics and morals (brief addendum)

2004-01-22 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Oh and Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That's not Christianity. That's a successful strategy in game theory.

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
The previous message was actually off-list, but since you replied to the list as well: On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 05:07:29PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The study of why societies have certain ethical beliefs is a subject for evolutionary psychology, or anthropology/sociology (moving down

Re: Is the universe computable

2004-01-22 Thread John Collins
- Original Message - From: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Is the universe computable SPK wrote: You are confussing the postential existence of a computation with

RE: Is the universe computable

2004-01-22 Thread David Barrett-Lennard
Yes, I agree that my definition (although well defined) doesn't have a useful interpretation given your example of perfect squares interleaved with the non perfect-squares. - David -Original Message- From: Kory Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 January 2004 8:30 PM

Re: Ethics and morals (brief addendum)

2004-01-22 Thread Frank
Actually, the successful game theory strategy is tit for tat which would be quivalent to: an eye for an eye - Original Message - From: Eric Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Re: Ethics and morals (brief addendum) Oh

Re: Determinism

2004-01-22 Thread John M
Ben, we are getting somewhere. I still see a difference between my trend to generalize concepts to the hilt and applying them to identified processes/qualities (as: intelligent events). I consider determinism a result of affecting effects from parts unidentified I could call it an extended

Re: Modern Physical theory as a basis for Ethical and Existential Nihilism

2004-01-22 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Eric Hawthorne wrote: QUOTE- It may not be an error to equate science and ethics. Science continually moves into new domains. I'm of the opinion that there is a valid utilitarian theory of co-operating intelligent agent ethics. Utilitarian because the purpose of the ethical principles can be

Re: Ethics and morals (brief addendum)

2004-01-22 Thread Eric Hawthorne
I don't think there's just one successful game theory strategy. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. is a kind of a planning-ahead strategy if you believe that others are going to use tit for tat. Maybe? And besides, I'm talking about a strategy that is beneficial to the group (and

Re: naturally selected ethics, and liking chocolate

2004-01-22 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Indeed, you might be able to show that 'the purpose of the ethical principles can be shown to be group success', although I'm sure that someone will be able to think of exceptions. This is an explanation of why societies have certain ethical principles, and perhaps