Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 11-janv.-09, à 17:55, Brent Meeker a écrit : Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/1/11 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I'm suggesting that running a state is incoherent. A machine running a program goes through a sequence of states. Consider 20 consecutive states, s1 to s20, which

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/1/12 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: A machine running a program goes through a sequence of states. Consider 20 consecutive states, s1 to s20, which give rise to several moments of consciousness. Would you say that running the sequence s1 to s20 on a single machine m1 will give a

Re: Exact Theology was:Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
Ah bravo Günther, now I am depressing :( I don't succeed in finding my Steinhart book. I don't either find the book on the net, and I begin to doubt it is a book by the same Steinhart. I have some doubt that my Steinhart has Eric as first name. I remember only that the book was taking

Re: Exact Theology was:Re: Kim 2.4 - 2.5

2009-01-12 Thread John M
Bruno, sorry for taking it jokingly (ref: Steinhart): Latest research revealed that  Shakespeare's oeuvre was not written by William Shakespeare, but by quite another man named William Shakespeare. John   From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be To:

Re: MGA 2

2009-01-12 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Hello Bruno, I think you are correct, but allowing the observer to be mechanically described as obeying the wave equation (which solutions obeys to comp), Hmm well if you have a basis, yes; - but naked infinite-dimensional Hilbert Space (the everything in QM)? You put the finger on a

Re: MGA 2

2009-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Mirek, On 12 Jan 2009, at 15:36, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: Hello Bruno, I think you are correct, but allowing the observer to be mechanically described as obeying the wave equation (which solutions obeys to comp), Hmm well if you have a basis, yes; - but naked infinite-

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-12 Thread Günther Greindl
Stathis, thinking about this way (which I did when reading Egan's Permutation City) is indeed problematic - because then you would also have to let consciousness supervene on Lucky Alice (the one from MGA), right down to Super Lucky Alice (Alice which is made anew for every state through

Re: QM Turing Universality (was: MGA 2)

2009-01-12 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Thank you for a quick answer! I'll take a look at it, my curiosity approves additional items on my TODO list :-) Best, mirek The classical universal dovetailer generates easily all the quantum computations, but I find hard to just define *one* unitary transformation, without measurement,

Binary logic is insufficient

2009-01-12 Thread Brian Tenneson
*The universe is not just black and white...* Or another way to state that is that two truth values (true and false) are insufficient to describe all propositions. I propose the following: If the universe exists and if

Re: QM Turing Universality (was: MGA 2)

2009-01-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2009, at 17:24, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: Thank you for a quick answer! I'll take a look at it, my curiosity approves additional items on my TODO list :-) Manage keeping finite your todo list :) I have finished the reading of the paper I mentioned (Deutsch's Universal Quantum

Re: KIM 2.3 (was Re: Time)

2009-01-12 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/1/12 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: A machine running a program goes through a sequence of states. Consider 20 consecutive states, s1 to s20, which give rise to several moments of consciousness. Would you say that running the sequence s1 to s20 on a

Binary Logic is Insufficient

2009-01-12 Thread Brian Tenneson
The universe is not just black and white... Or another way to state that is that two truth values (true and false) are insufficient to describe all propositions. I propose the following: If the universe exists and if for all things X and Y, the utterance X contains Y is proposition, then the