Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Kelly
On Apr 26, 1:08 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: These are edges in time, i.e. a future boundary and a past boundary. If these two boundaries are different then we are not longer talking about a state, we're talking about an interval, furthermore an interval that has duration

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Apr 2009, at 21:42, Kelly wrote: On Apr 24, 3:14 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Kelly, Your arguments are compelling and logical, you have put a lot of doubt in my mind about computationalism. Excellent! It sounds like you are following the same path as I did on

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Apr 2009, at 22:52, Kelly wrote: On Apr 24, 11:39 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: At any given instant that I'm awake, I'm conscious of SOMETHING. To predict something, the difficulty is to relate that consciousness to its computational histories. Physics is given by a

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 26, 1:08 am, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: These are edges in time, i.e. a future boundary and a past boundary. If these two boundaries are different then we are not longer talking about a state, we're talking about an interval, furthermore an interval

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: I don't say that they are rare, I say they don't make any sense.  A big difference. I say that every possible event is perceived to happen, and so nothing is more or less rare than anything else.  There are only things that

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Kelly
On Apr 26, 2:01 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure that the measure problem can be so easily abandoned/ignored. Assuming every Observer Moment had has an equal measure, then the random/white-noise filled OMs should vastly outnumber the ordered and sensible OMs. The

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Kelly harmon...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 26, 2:01 pm, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure that the measure problem can be so easily abandoned/ignored.  Assuming every Observer Moment had has an equal measure, then the random/white-noise

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Kelly
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I used that same argument with Russell Standish when he said that ants aren't conscious because if they were then we should expect to be experiencing life as ants and not humans. Did you win or lose that

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Kelly
On Apr 26, 12:47 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: No, I think you're missing my point. Consider your analogy of fitting together images to make a complete picture. You present this as a spatial representation of the sequential flow of consciousness. Now suppose your spatial

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-26 Thread Kelly
On Apr 26, 11:40 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: The question is; what are their relative probability measure? What can I expect. Any expectations you have are unfounded. The problem of induction applies. Any probabilities arrived at empirically are suspect, they will continue