Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/4/28 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: Sure. I will ask a bank to lend me huge amount of money, I promise them to reimburse when I will win ten times the big lottery in a row. Not so far fetched, really. -- Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, I think Bruno is not realistic enough. Here is a better story - a solution to understand the situation: - *The Financial Crisis Explained* Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Berlin . In order to increase sales, she decides to allow her loyal customers - most of whom are

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Kelly
On Apr 27, 12:23 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So you have indeed the necessity to abandon comp to maintain your form of immaterialist platonism, but then you lose the tool for questioning nature. It almost look like choosing a theory because it does not even address the

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Kelly wrote: On Apr 27, 12:23 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So you have indeed the necessity to abandon comp to maintain your form of immaterialist platonism, but then you lose the tool for questioning nature. It almost look like choosing a theory because it does not even

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Kelly
On Apr 27, 3:08 am, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Your position as you have described it sounds a lot like ASSA only without taking measure into consideration. I am curious if you believe there is any merit to counting OMs or not. Meaning, if I have two computers and set them up

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/4/25 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: But is it the information in consciousness and is it discrete? If you include the information that is in the brain, but not in consciousness, I can buy the concept of relating states by similarity of content. Or

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Kelly
On Apr 27, 1:42 pm, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Are you thinking of something like a linked list in which each state, in it's inherent information, has a pointer to a previous (or future) state. And the existence of this link constitutes the feeling of flow? H. As a

RE: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-28 Thread Jesse Mazer
Kelly wrote: Not if information exists platonically. So the question is, what does it mean for a physical system to represent a certain piece of information? With the correct one-time pad, any desired information can be extracted from any random block of data obtained by making any