Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 08:22 PM, George Levy wrote: OK. Let's consider the case of the guy dying of cancer and playing the stock market simultaneously.. In real life, the hard part is to get meaningful probability data. For the sake of the argument let's assume the following

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread George Levy
This is a reply to Eric Hawthorne and Tim May. Eric Hawthorne wrote: George Levy wrote: Conclusions: All this involves really basic probability theory. The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability conditional to the person staying alive. But that

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-10 Thread George Levy
Hi Brent. Brent Meeker wrote: I don't understand the point of this modification. The idea of QS was to arrange that in all possible worlds in which I exist, I'm rich. If it's just a matter of being rich in a few and not rich in the rest, I don't need any QS. Yes but you only

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Bruno Marchal
Tim May wrote On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote: In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Thanks Bruno, for your comments, I fully agree with you. Let me add a few comments for Tim and Scerir Tim May wrote: Consider this thought experiment: Alice is facing her quantum mechanics exam at Berkeley. She sees two main approaches to take. First, study hard and try to answer all of

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Tim May
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row - in other words

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread George Levy
Tim May wrote: From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote: As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row

Re: Quantum Suicide without suicide

2003-01-09 Thread Eric Hawthorne
George Levy wrote: Conclusions: All this involves really basic probability theory. The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability conditional to the person staying alive. But that first-person probability is not objective, and not valid, and not useful. Consider

Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-08 Thread George Levy
In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching many-worlds, his consciousness is erased in those worlds, and remains intact in the

Re: Quantum suicide without suicide

2003-01-08 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote: In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching many-worlds, his