Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-09 Thread Jesse Mazer
Jesse Mazer wrote: Saibal Mitra wrote: This means that the relative measure is completely fixed by the absolute measure. Also the relative measure is no longer defined when probabilities are not conserved (e.g. when the observer may not survive an experiment as in quantum suicide). I don't

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-09 Thread Jesse Mazer
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 20:17 03/02/04 -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: Personally, I would prefer to assign a deeper significance to the notion of absolute probability, since for me the fact that I find myself to be a human rather than one of the vastly more numerous but less intelligent other

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 20:17 03/02/04 -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: Personally, I would prefer to assign a deeper significance to the notion of absolute probability, since for me the fact that I find myself to be a human rather than one of the vastly more numerous but less intelligent other animals seems like an

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-06 Thread Saibal Mitra
- Original Message - From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms Saibal Mitra wrote: This means that the relative measure is completely fixed by the absolute measure. Also

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-04 Thread Jesse Mazer
By the way, after writing my message the other day about the question of what it means for the RSSA and ASSA to be compatible or incompatible, I thought of another condition that should be met if you want to have both an absolute probability distribution on observer-moments and a conditional

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-04 Thread Saibal Mitra
- From: Jesse Mazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms By the way, after writing my message the other day about the question of what it means for the RSSA and ASSA to be compatible

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-04 Thread Jesse Mazer
George Levy wrote: You assume that you could get your hands on the absolute probability distribution. You must assume when you observe a physical system is that you are an observer. The existence of (objective) absolute reality is another assumption that may not be necessary. Assuming the

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-04 Thread Jesse Mazer
Saibal Mitra wrote: This means that the relative measure is completely fixed by the absolute measure. Also the relative measure is no longer defined when probabilities are not conserved (e.g. when the observer may not survive an experiment as in quantum suicide). I don't see why you need a theory

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-04 Thread George Levy
Jesse Mazer wrote: George Levy wrote: You assume that you could get your hands on the absolute probability distribution. You must assume when you observe a physical system is that you are an observer. The existence of (objective) absolute reality is another assumption that may not be

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
-histories *has* been derived technically in the part of the theory which is the most counter-intuitive ... mmh I will try soon ... Bruno At 00:02 01/02/04 -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-02-03 Thread Jesse Mazer
Bruno Marchal wrote: Thank you Jesse for your clear answer. Your comparison of your use of both ASSA and RSSA with Google ranking system has been quite useful. This does not mean I am totally convince because ASSA raises the problem of the basic frame: I don't think there is any sense to compare

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-01-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
Here is an interesting post by Jesse. Curiously I have not been able to find it in the archive, but luckily I find it in my computer memory. Is that normal? I will try again later. Jesse's TOE pet is very similar to the type of TOE compatible with the comp hyp, I guess everyone can see that.

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2004-01-31 Thread Jesse Mazer
From: Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:11:39 +0100 Here is an interesting post by Jesse. Curiously I have not been able to find it in the archive, but luckily I find it in my computer memory

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-14 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hal Finney wrote: Jesse Mazer writes: In your definition of the ASSA, why do you define it in terms of your next observer moment? The ASSA and the RSSA were historically defined as competing views. I am not 100% sure that I have the ASSA right, in that it doesn't seem too different from the

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
My message 6/11 to Alberto Gómez seems not to have gone through. I send it again. Apology for those who did receive it. B. At 09:24 06/11/03 +0100, Alberto Gómez wrote: For me there is no bigger step between to wonder about how conscience arises from a universe made by atoms in a Newtonian

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-07 Thread Eric Cavalcanti
Also, what about a weighted version of the ASSA? I believe other animals are conscious and thus would qualify as observers/observer-moments, which would suggest I am extraordinarily lucky to find myself as an observer-moment of what seems like the most intelligent species on the

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 09:24 06/11/03 +0100, Alberto Gómez wrote: For me there is no bigger step between to wonder about how conscience arises from a universe made by atoms in a Newtonian universe, particles in a quantum universe, quarks in a quantum relativistic universe and finally, superstring/n-branes in a 11

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 16:54 05/11/03 -0500, Jesse Mazer wrote: Hal Finney wrote: One correction, in the descriptions below I should have said multiverse for all of them instead of universe. The distinction between the SSA and the SSSA is not multiverse vs universe, it is observers vs observer- moments. I'll

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Norman Samish
- Original Message - From: Eric Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Request for a glossary of acronyms UD, ASSA, Level 1 world, RSSA, Pilot Wave, ... MW, Is anyone willing to post a glossary

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
[This is a repost, I didn't see it come out before. I have a sinking feeling that the first URL contains the magic letters s - c - r - i - b - e and that is triggering some kind of filter! If so that is rather inconvenient given that this is one of the main list archive sites. Hopefully this

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
Here is a start at a glossary: UD - The Universal Dovetailer, a hypothetical system for running all possible computer programs. See UDA. UDA - The Universal Dovetailer Argument of Bruno Marchal, which concludes that we must derive the laws of physics from computer science. See

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
One correction, in the descriptions below I should have said multiverse for all of them instead of universe. The distinction between the SSA and the SSSA is not multiverse vs universe, it is observers vs observer- moments. I'll send out an updated copy when I get some more links and/or

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hal Finney wrote: One correction, in the descriptions below I should have said multiverse for all of them instead of universe. The distinction between the SSA and the SSSA is not multiverse vs universe, it is observers vs observer- moments. I'll send out an updated copy when I get some more

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Jesse Mazer
By the way, for anyone who wants to learn more about the whole issue of the self-sampling assumption in general, I recommend this website: http://www.anthropic-principle.com/ The author of the site, Nick Bostrom, (who I think is a member of this list, or used to be) also wrote a whole book on

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Jesse Mazer
But one might also have to take into account the absolute measure on all-observer moments that I suggest above, so that if there is a very low absolute probability of a brain that can suggest a future observer-moment which is very similar to my current one Sorry, meant to say a very low

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
Jesse Mazer writes: In your definition of the ASSA, why do you define it in terms of your next observer moment? The ASSA and the RSSA were historically defined as competing views. I am not 100% sure that I have the ASSA right, in that it doesn't seem too different from the SSSA. (BTW I have

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Joao Leao
Hal, Waht about a definition of Observer-Moment? That would surely help me... Thanks, -Joao Hal Finney wrote: Jesse Mazer writes: In your definition of the ASSA, why do you define it in terms of your next observer moment? The ASSA and the RSSA were historically defined as competing

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
Here are some more: QM - Quantum Mechanics, our best current theory for the physics of the small. GR - General Relativity, our best current theory for the physics of the large. TM - Turing Machine, a formal model of computation. UTM - Universal Turing Machine, a type of Turing Machine that can

Re: Request for a glossary of acronyms

2003-11-05 Thread Hal Finney
Hal, Waht about a definition of Observer-Moment? That would surely help me... Thanks, -Joao I was mostly sticking to acronyms, otherwise it becomes a FAQ. Doing observer-moment also requires defining observer. Here is a try at it: Observer - A subsystem of the multiverse with qualities