Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-12-01 Thread Osher Doctorow
From Osher Doctorow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday Dec. 1, 2002 0958 I agree again with Tim May. I also think that category theory and topos theory at least in its definition as a branch of category theory are too restrictive, largely because they are more abstract than concrete-oriented in their

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-30 Thread Tim May
On Friday, November 29, 2002, at 02:44 AM, Marchal Bruno wrote: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with that aspect of Bruno's thesis. ;-) It is the assumption that the 0's and 1's can exist without some substrate that bothers me. If we insist on making such an

RE: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-30 Thread Ben Goertzel
(I think Egan gives us a fairly plausible, fictional timeline for figuring this stuff out: a workable TOE by the middle of this century, i.e., within our lifetimes. That is, a theory which unifies relativity and QM, and which is presumably also brings in QED, QCD, etc. ... Then perhaps

re:Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-29 Thread Marchal Bruno
Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree completely with that aspect of Bruno's thesis. ;-) It is the assumption that the 0's and 1's can exist without some substrate that bothers me. If we insist on making such an assuption, how can we even have a notion of distinguishability between a

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-28 Thread jamikes
Dear Stepen, I did not say information is only information to a recognizer of such. ... but can you imagine an unrecognized information, just floating around? it would take a special definition of information (maybe even weirder than Shannon's bit, the meaningless dot/sign if not assigned into

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-27 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Russell, Neat! I have been thinking of this idea in terms of a very weak anthropic principle and a communication principle. Roughtly these are: All observations by an observer are only those that do not contradict the existence of the observer and any

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-27 Thread jamikes
Dear Stephen, please see my note after the copy of your post John Mikes - Original Message - From: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; James N Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: Re: The

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-27 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear John, It seems that you are saying that information is only information to a recognizer of such. If this is so, how do we define such? As to the notion of no information as information, this seems to fall under the definition of counterfactuals. (Hal Ruhl might have a thought to add to

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Ben, I agree completely with that aspect of Bruno's thesis. ;-) It is the assumption that the 0's and 1's can exist without some substrate that bothers me. If we insist on making such an assuption, how can we even have a notion of distinguishability between a 0 and a 1?. To me, its

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Eric Hawthorne
As I mentioned in an earlier post, titled quantum computational cosmology why don't we assume/guess that the substrate (the fundamental concept of the universe or multiverse) is simply a capacity for there to be difference, but also, a capacity for all possible differences (and thus necessarily

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Eric, I like your idea! But how do we reconsile your notion with the notion expressed by Russell: From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: Re: not-sets, not-gates, and the universe There is no problem is

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Russell Standish
It works because no observer can possibly see the whole of the Plenitude, only subsets. The subsets do contain information. Of course, people who believe in an omniscient God will have trouble with this :). Cheers Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Eric,

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Russell, Bingo! But can a method of definig the subsethood be defined? What distinguishes one subset from another? Kindest regards, Stephen - Original Message - From: Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Eric Hawthorne [EMAIL

Fw: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
- Original Message - From: James N Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Paul King [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Eric Hawthorne [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; echo-CI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Russell Standish
In my paper Why Occam's Razor, I identify a postulate called the projection postulate, which in words is something like An observer necessarily projects out an actual from the space of possibilities Mathematically, this corresponds to choosing a subset from the set of all descriptions. My paper

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread James N Rose
Stephen, Eric is taking the quest to its logical conclusion. Even Steve Wolfram hints that pure space is the source of all instantiation. So the only question that needs resolution is specifying the natural of the architecture of that space - and - identifying how it brings entities forces,

Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and 1's?

2002-11-26 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Russell, Neat! I have been thinking of this idea in terms of a very weak anthropic principle and a communication principle. Roughtly these are: All observations by an observer are only those that do not contradict the existence of the observer and any communication is only that which