RE: mo' FIN

2001-09-03 Thread Marchal
Jacques Mallah wrote: Actually I am still waiting to see the full UDA argument! I don't think you ever posted more than bits and pieces of it, without the precise definitions that I requested, and you referred people to papers written in French. But I'll check ... The full UDA appears at

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
Oh, I forgot my main problem with QTI :-) Basically it's to do with the rate at which decoherence spreads (presumably at the speed of light?) and the finite time it takes someone to die. So if you were shot (say) the QTI would predict that there was some point in the process of your body

Re: FIN insanity

2001-09-03 Thread Saibal Mitra
Jacques Mallah wrote: From: Saibal Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are different versions of QTI (let's not call it FIN). I'm certainly not going to call it a theory. Doing so lends it an a priori aura of legitimacy. Words mean things, as Newt Gingrich once said in one of his smarter

RE: FIN

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
Hi, I'm sorry, it's an accident. I keep hitting 'reply' rather than 'reply to all' and because of the way the list is set up, which means I reply to the person who posted the message. It's a bad habit, because other lists I post to allow you to just hit 'reply' and your message goes to the

FW: FIN insanity

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Saibal Mitra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] There are different versions of QTI (let's not call it FIN). The most reasonable one (my version, of course) takes into account the possibility that you find yourself alive somewhere else in the universe, without any

FW: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Jacques Mallah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The problem is that the probability isn't 0% that you'd find yourself at your current age (according to the QTI - assume I put that after every sentence!). Because you HAVE to pass through your current age to reach

Re: plato

2001-09-03 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 01-Sep-01, Jacques Mallah wrote: There is more than that in mathematics. Structures, for example. Anything that could be described mathematically, such as geometries, computations, and anything that could be a model of a (hypothetical) world.

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Um, OK, I don't want to get into an infinite argument here. I guess we both understand the other's viewpoint. (For the record: I don't see any reason to accept QTI as correct, but think that *if* it is, it would fit in with the available (subjective)

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Charles Goodwin
-Original Message- From: Russell Standish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] This case bothers me too. The initial (or perhaps traditional) response is that consciousness is lost the instant blood pressure drops in the brain, a few hundred milliseconds after the neck is severed, thus the

Re: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Russell Standish
Charles Goodwin wrote: Another question is what happens in cases of very violent death, e.g. beheading. After someone's head is cut off, so they say, it remains conscious for a few seconds (I can't see why it wouldn't). According to QTI it experiences being decapitated but then survives

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread hal
Charles Goodwin, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Another question is what happens in cases of very violent death, e.g. beheading. After someone's head is cut off, so they say, it remains conscious for a few seconds (I can't see why it wouldn't). According to QTI it experiences being decapitated

RE: FIN too

2001-09-03 Thread Jacques Mallah
From: Charles Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jacques Mallah wrote] But there's one exception: your brain can only hold a limited amount of information. So it's possible to be too old to remember how old you are. *Only if you are that old, do you have a right to not reject FIN on these