Re: Determinism

2004-01-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 22:25 15/01/04 -0500, Doug Porpora wrote: There have been two main reductionist strategies to deal with mental states, and they both -- to say the least -- have stalled. The two strategies are: 1. Eliminative materialism 2. Identity theory Well, that is the two *materialist* strategies.

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 17:13 14/01/04 +, Giu1i0 Pri5c0 wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong: Bruno believes that information, for example mathematical concepts and theorems, exist independently of their encoding in some physicsl systems (arithmetic realism); in other words, that the number 4 esists

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:27:49AM +0800, David Barrett-Lennard wrote: I agree with everything you say, but did you really think I was making a point because Eugen happened to use hex?! I've fallen behind on answering my email, so sorry if this is brief and a bit out of context. This post is

Shadows of reality

2004-01-16 Thread Giu1i0 Pri5c0
Some thoughts on the MWI for your comments. I am sending this to a few mailing lists with overlapping memberships, so you may have received this twice or more. I apologise if this is the case and also for the very imprecise language and gross simplifications and analogies that I am using to make

Re: Determinism

2004-01-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 10:25:06PM -0500, Doug Porpora wrote: Okay, well here you have just asserted that human beings can be defined as the sum of discrete quantum states and the like and that thoughts are therefore not infinite. You make it sound like a fringe statement, the reverse is in

Re: Determinism

2004-01-16 Thread Pete Carlton
Hello, On Jan 15, 2004, at 7:25 PM, Doug Porpora wrote: snip Well, only if reductionism succeeds. If reductionism fails, then, unlike universes, which, on my reading of Tegmark, are discrete and countable, thoughts are not only infinite but uncountably infinite. In that case, thoughts -- and

Re: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-16 Thread Georges Quenot
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 10:14 13/01/04 +0100, Georges Quenot wrote: Some people do argue that there is no arithmetical property independent of us because there is no thing on which they would apply independentkly of us. What we would call their arithmetical properties is simply a set of

Re: Improbable or impossible?

2004-01-16 Thread Norman Samish
Infinity has no limit. If (a big IF) there are an infinity of universes, then anything that can happen, no matter how improbable, must happen, not only once but an infinite number of times. Either there are an infinity of universes or there are not - in either case I wonder why? I was thinking

Happy Birthday Everything!

2004-01-16 Thread Hal Finney
I just noticed that today (or pehaps yesterday, depending on how you figure it) is the 6th birthday of the everything-list, which was begun by Wei Dai in January 1998. The list has remained remarkably active and civil over that time, compared to other lists I've been on. The initial message

Re: Happy Birthday Everything!

2004-01-16 Thread Rick Dormeyer
Happy Birthday! Hal Finney wrote: I just noticed that today (or pehaps yesterday, depending on how you figure it) is the 6th birthday of the everything-list, which was begun by Wei Dai in January 1998. The list has remained remarkably active and civil over that time, compared to other lists

RE: dualism

2004-01-16 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 17 January 2004 Doug Porpora wrote: *quote* Norman and Bruno: I myself am not defending a dualist position (body + soul, mind, whatever). I am prepared to say the body is the only substance that exists. That does not mean its behavior is explainable in terms of physics alone. Yes, I

Re: dualism

2004-01-16 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Stathis, For an alternative approach to dualism see: http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/pratt95rational.html Kindest regards, Stephen - Original Message - From: Stathis Papaioannou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:40