Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, Le 03-févr.-06, à 23:45, John M a écrit : --- Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just compare past systems of 'logic' - say back to 3000 years, about the same nature (world) and you can agree that ALL OF THEM cannot be true. I agree. I would say HALF of them are true. My

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread John M
--- Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, Le 03-févr.-06, à 23:45, John M a écrit : --- Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just compare past systems of 'logic' - say back to 3000 years, about the same nature (world) and you can agree that ALL OF THEM cannot be true.

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
John, Le 04-févr.-06, à 17:20, John M a écrit : Bruno, You missed my point: whatever you want to test is still WITHIN the - I condone - HALF which you deem true. But it is perfectly circular: you test our human logic/understanding within human logic/understanding. I don't think so. I test

Re: Belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Norman Samish
Bruno, Thanks for your response. I don't understand why you say my argument is not valid. Granted,much of what you write is unintelligible to me because you are expert in fields of which I know little. Nevertheless, a cat can look at a king. Here is what we've said so far: (Norman ONE)

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-04 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Feb 04, 2006 at 04:30:11PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. I guess in our local and sharable past, humans reached loebianity 200,000 years ago. I'm not sure why you say 200Kya, other than it being the origin of our species. There is a fair bit of evidence that something