Re: Intelligence, Aesthetics and Bayesianism: Game over!

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Rosefield
Even if the Koch Snowflake is restricted to those 3 angles, you don't have to be restricted to the Snowflake itself -- by expanding, contracting or transforming the space of interest, you can get somewhere more interesting (anywhere you want, maybe?). For example, if you take the natural numbers, y

Re: Intelligence, Aesthetics and Bayesianism: Game over!

2008-08-21 Thread Tom Caylor
I see that fractals also came up in the other current thread. I can see the believableness of your conjecture (Turing-completeness of the Mandelbrot set), but I see this (if true) as intuitive (heuristic, "circumstantial") evidence that reality is more than what can be computed. (My belief in th

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Rosefield
The trouble with this whole area is that it's so incredibly easy to not-quite understand each other without quite realising it. It's like that Wilde quote: "England and America are two countries separated by a common language." I think I understand you, though As regards the crystal, I think

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-21 Thread John Mikes
Redface - ME! Michael, you picked my careless statement and I want to correct it: "...You cannot *build up* unknown complexity from its simple parts..." should refer to THOSE parts we know of, observe, include, select, handle, - not ALL of the (unlimited, incl. potential) parts (simple or not). Fr

Re: Simplicity, the infinite and the everything (42x)

2008-08-21 Thread Michael Rosefield
"You cannot *build up* unknown complexity from its simple parts" That would be the case if we were trying to reconstruct an arbitrary universe, but you were talking about 'the totality'. My take is that the whole caboodle is not arbitrary - it's totally specified by its requirement to be complete.