Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:51 AM Brent Meeker > : > > "How did we ever get the notion of the mind as something distinct from the >> body?" > > > From the same place we got the idea that "fast" is distinct from "racing

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

On 9/19/2018 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Sep 2018, at 03:44, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 9/18/2018 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I don't think you know what you mean by "exist", I certainly don’t. I use “exists” as a quantifier in some theory. The axi

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:51 AM Brent Meeker : "How did we ever get the notion of the mind as something distinct from the > body?" >From the same place we got the idea that "fast" is distinct from "racing car" and "red" is distinct from "tomato". Mind is what a brain does. John K Clark >

Re: The codical-material universe

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:17 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>The state of a Turing machine is matched to a number and always has and >> always will be matched that very same number forever. Nothing changes. > > > > *You can say the same for your state here and now. But consciousness is > not supported

Re: The codical-material universe

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:12 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > *the uncertainty of the Helsinki man before the duplication doesn't > have anything to do with being duplicated. It only has to do with his lack > of knowledge in where he will find himself in the future. He would have > the same uncerta

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 11:51:28 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2018 1:00 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > https://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/april13/rorty-041305.html : > > > "How did we ever get the notion of the mind as something distinct from the > body? Why did this *

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

> On 19 Sep 2018, at 04:32, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2018 4:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 18 Sep 2018, at 06:52, Brent Meeker >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/17/2018 10:21 AM, John Clark wrote: >It can be duplicated, but it cannot feel

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

> On 19 Sep 2018, at 03:44, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2018 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> I don't think you know what you mean by "exist", I certainly don’t. >> >> >> I use “exists” as a quantifier in some theory. The axioms are given in all >> textbook of logic. > > But

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

> On 18 Sep 2018, at 22:00, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, September 18, 2018 at 12:04:25 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:52 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > >Is that even relevant. Brains are presumably psuedo-classical objects. But > >they can't be strictl

Re: Why is Church's thesis a Miracle?

> On 18 Sep 2018, at 19:03, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:52 AM Brent Meeker > wrote: > > >Is that even relevant. Brains are presumably psuedo-classical objects. But > >they can't be strictly classical, so it seems likely that it is impossible

Re: The codical-material universe

> On 19 Sep 2018, at 06:08, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 9/18/2018 9:17 AM, John Clark wrote: >> It was Washington for he Helsinki guy reconstitute in Washington, and he >> admit he could not have predict this in Helsinki. The same for the Moscow >> guy. >> >> Well maybe that's true, mayb

Re: The codical-material universe

> On 18 Sep 2018, at 18:17, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 2:00 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > >>Changes in what? You say electrons, atoms, photons, neutrinos, > >>gravitational waves, time, space and even spacetime are all matter, so the > >>chang