general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? [Philip Benjamin] How much more precisely can PHYSICAL be defined? There are five fundamental questions pertaining to any observation: what, why, how, when, where? The ultimate meaning of what of anything remains unknown to science or philosophy!! What is a photon? Electron? Etc. That is true of why also? Why something rather than nothing? Can any science or philosophy tell that? Science is about observations. Observations are primarily about when, where, how. The ultimate or final 'who' and 'what' are not within the purview of science or any finite minds. The questions of aseity and infinite regress have to be settled for that. WAMP-the-Ingrate can only PRETEND to know everything!! They are the most dangerous specimens of mankind today. They did not and could not exist during the dominance of the sphere of influence of Augustinian or Thomist thoughts and experiential facts. Philip Benjamin
From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 2:24 PM To: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? But a definition of terms would help enormously. Supernatural is just parts of Nature 'unexplained'. It is all natural. And when James Randi tried his best to weed out the deluded, I know from my own experience, they exist. But he also weeded out people who were genuine, people he regarded as dangerous, because they didn't realise what their powers really were, or how they worked and as a consequence were a potential risk. If I can bend metal from a distance I can down planes. I become a weapon. But I was with Bill, our neighbour's border collie, the other night and though he looks at me directly eye for eye, with great soulful brown eyes , occasionally, he follows heaven knows what around the room. There are numerous things hovering over me if his eyes are any indicator and, just like Muffin, he seems to take orders from entities unseen. It may be dark matter or dark energy, but things outside my perception system exist. And animals can 'see' [perceive] them - especially border collies. This realm of other worlds - caused by the fact we seem to be 'interleaved' with many other things - each of which may be perceiving things differently, simply isn't being taken into account. Dark matter is matter [let us leave it at that] that humans cannot perceive and other animals often can, and these animals offer us a far better opportunity to explore it [as long as they are treated with kindness of course] than shooting at atoms in very expensive colliders, for all they tell you is that if you shoot something valuable enough times, some of the pieces may appear similar, but you are simply destroying something precious, without actually realising the effects could be catastrophic. I hope you can see the point I am making. All these Higgs bosoms [joke] and leptons and so on are simply the effects of matter we cannot perceive doing things. The effects aren't the matter, they are only effects, because we don't have the equipment or perception systems to ever realise they are there. And we never will, unless we use other species to help us, and humans who, by some fluke of nature get glimpses of other realms and can report back. Long again, sorry, but I am genuinely very worried by the approach many 'scientists' are taking. There is the potential in what you are all doing, to produce absolutely catastrophic results and don't seem to realise how dangerous what you are doing is. rosie ------ Original Message ------ From: "Philip Benjamin" <medinucl...@hotmail.com<mailto:medinucl...@hotmail.com>> To: "general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>" <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 May, 22 At 19:34 Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? [Philip Benjamin] There are many flippant notions of "spirituality" thoughtlessly promoted by WAMP-the-Ingrate; but physical, metaphysical, mental, 'spiritual' etc. must be reevaluated as ordinary materialism of ordinary light matter with its chemistry and extraordinary materialism of extraordinary matter with its chemistry. Physical originally meant natural and was used for medicinal lingo of the ancient Greeks. The difference between physical and spiritual then in many instances become very tenuous. Philip Benjamin From: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Philip Benjamin Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:13 AM To: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: FW: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? PHYSICAL meaning: "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched-this we proclaim concerning the Word of life." 1John 1:1 From: 'Rosemary Rock-Evans' via Consciousness-Online <general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 9:57 AM To: general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FW: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious? I know Philip. But there again your reply was full of the word physical - with no definition as to what 'physical' was. As such I can choose whatever meaning I like . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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