Hi Bruno Marchal Indeed, Plato, just as Leibniz did, considered the idea of matter more real than matter itself.\
Both considered matter, however, somewhat differently. While Plato called it an illusion, Leibniz and Kant called it (as perceived) phenomenological, presumably because an illusion is commonly thought of as something created by the mind, while from Plato's account, the illusion of matter was created not by our minds, but by the "mind" that Plato called the Demiurge. Thus, as far as I can conceive, Plato would consider an experiment on matter (such as weighing it) as an illusion, casting doubt on the result, as dream-like, while Leibniz and Kant would consider an experiment on matter to give a credible result (the same to all). ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-02-04, 12:55:52 Subject: Re: Science is a religion by itself. On 02 Feb 2013, at 07:39, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > > > On Feb 1, 7:51 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Friday, February 1, 2013 12:26:43 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >>> Hi socr...@bezeqint.net <javascript:> >> >>> Feynman was wrong. Life isn't physics, >>> it's intelligence or consciousness, free will. >> >> If we understand that physics is actually experience, then life, >> intelligence, consciousness, free will, qualia, etc are all >> physics. How >> could it really be otherwise? >> >> Craig > ====== > > In the name of reason and common sense: > How could it really be otherwise? Because physics is not supposed to bear on the non observable, like the mathematical, the theological, etc. Physics uses the mathematical, but does not bear on it directly, and the reality might be mathematical, for example. It is more easy to explain the illusion of matter to a conscious being, than the illusion of consciousness to a material being. Also. That's why the greek platonist doubted the physical explanation, at least as a definitive explanation. Bruno > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
