Re: being inside a universe

2002-07-05 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 04:07:42PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: [Hal Finney wrote:] In general, universes are created by more than one computer program. The measure of a universe is proportional to the number of computer programs which create it. Glad you say so. This is *not* true for

Re: self-sampling assumption is incorrect

2002-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Wei Dai, About books. Concerning the provability logics I always mentionned the Boolos 1993 (or even his lovely lighter Boolos 1979), but I would like to mention also the book Self-reference and modal logic by Smorynski. The only problem is its very little caracters; I should go to the

Re: being inside a universe

2002-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Thanks. I read it quickly. I didn't understand the details. I have no really opinion. I have been more impressed by Freedman analogical quantum machine, but Calude suggestion is of the same type. This could lead to a refutation of comp, not of Church thesis imo. Those machine does really not

Re: R: Science and human morality

2002-07-05 Thread Brent Meeker
On 05-Jul-02, Bruno Marchal wrote: Biggie (in the FOR list): In some cultures, the pschologists, being in sync with conservative religous and political forces, would probably turn her in to the authorities if she violated their psychologically sound moral agenda, right? No, to the extent

Re: being inside a universe

2002-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hal Finney wrote: Yes, I meant a constant additive term. Any UTM can emulate any other TM using a fixed size prefix in front of the other TM's input tape. (This assumes that the two TMs use the same basic alphabet of characters for their input tape.) OK. That follows from Church Thesis.

Re: R: Science and human morality

2002-07-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 11:24 -0700 5/07/2002, Brent Meeker wrote: On 05-Jul-02, Bruno Marchal wrote: Biggie (in the FOR list): In some cultures, the pschologists, being in sync with conservative religous and political forces, would probably turn her in to the authorities if she violated their

Re: being inside a universe

2002-07-05 Thread Wei Dai
On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 09:52:39AM -0700, Wei Dai wrote: Soundness as far as I understand it applies to an axiomatic theory, that is, the theory is sound if you can't deduce false from its axioms. Sorry, I mixed up soundness and consistency here. It doesn't affect my point, but actually

Re: being inside a universe

2002-07-05 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 07:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This list is based on the idea that -more is simpler-. We are open to all many-things idea (many worlds, many computations, etc.). Category theory is interesting in that respect, but beware mathematical mermaids! :) Or sirens

Some books on category and topos theory

2002-07-05 Thread Tim May
On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 10:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But, perhaps more importantly at this stage I must recall the book Mathematics of Modality by Robert Goldblatt. It contains fundamental papers on which my quantum derivation relies. I mentionned it a lot some time ago. And now that