Re: Bitstrings, Ontological Status and Time

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 01:55:39PM -0700, Hal Finney wrote: Sure, in fact I first learned of the idea from one of Tegmark's papers, he who is unknowingly one of the founding fathers of this list. Unknowingly? Tegmark was certainly involved in this list in the early days, but I suspect he

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Norman, You make a very interesting point (the first point) and I think that we could all agree upon it as it isbut I notice that you used two words that put a sizable dent in the COMP idea: "snapshot" and "precisely represented". It seems that we might all agree that we would be

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Jeanne Houston
I am a mere layperson who follows your discussions with great interest, so forgive me if I'm about to ask a question whose answer is apparent to all but me. I am very familiar with the "first person" and "third person" concept in everyday life and literature, but I am a little unclear

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Jeanne: It is much the same thing. More or less the first person is the one standing in Bruno's transporter and the third person is the one operating it. Several years ago I started a FAQ for this list but lacked the necessary time to finish. Hal Ruhl At 02:54 PM 5/8/2005, you wrote: I

The Sims of Platonia

2005-05-08 Thread Lee Corbin
Greetings to Wei Dai and many old friends. I'll post a JOIN letter soon. Meanwhile---as is no doubt usual on the Everything list ---much ado is being made of much ado! :-) CMR ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote I wonder if Davies is not on to something when he posits that strong emergent phenomena

Re: Everything Physical is based on Consciousness - A question

2005-05-08 Thread Russell Standish
The simplest description can be found in Max Tegamark's paper Is an Ensemble theory the ultimate TOE?. He uses the term frog perspective for 1st person, and bird perspective for 3rd person. Bruno Marchal has also written quite a bit about it in Chapter 5 of his (Lille) thesis. This is

Re: The Sims of Platonia

2005-05-08 Thread CMR
Greetings Well, it's of course always *possible* that what we see cannot really be explained by current knowledge. Even Galileo must have wondered if yet further laws were really governing his falling objects, laws beyond d = (1/2)t^2 and g = at. (He would have been right to wonder, of course,

RE: Everything Physical is Based on Consciousness

2005-05-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
You're right in one way, but there *is* a difference between what we experience in the first person and everything else. It is *possible* to doubt everything about the external world, but it is *impossible* to doubt that you are having a first person experience/ a thought/ an observer-moment/