Re: MGA 3

2008-12-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:39:34AM +, Michael Rosefield wrote: This distinction between physicalism and materialism, with materialism allowing for features to emerge, it sounds to me like a join-the-dots puzzle - the physical substrate provides the dots, but the supervening system also

Re: Lost and not lost 1 (Plan)

2008-12-11 Thread Kim Jones
On 11/12/2008, at 4:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10/12/2008, at 4:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Here, below, is the plan of my heroic attempt (indeed) to explain why I think that: IF we assume that we are machine, Never understood what people meant by a machine. Actually I was

KIM 1 (was: Lost and not lost 1)

2008-12-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kim, I recall the plan, the definition of machine, and then I comment your last post. I do this for preventing we get lost (or not lost) in a fractal conversation, which could be nice, but which is infinite, and we have to not abuse of Wei Dai hospitality. Right? The

Re: MGA 3

2008-12-11 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Michael Lockwood distinguishes between materialism (consciousness supervenes on the physical world) and physicalism (the physical world suffices to explain everything). The difference between the two is that in physicalism,