Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: It seems to me that you are starting with a strong bias towards matter as fundamental, instead of starting with a clean slate and working forward from first principles.

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/17 Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk: You can see I am struggling with these self sampling assumptions.  I just cannot get a handle on how to think about them. The SSA is difficult to get one's head around, and sometimes leads to counterintuitive conclusions. Have you looked up Nick

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Nick Prince
On Jan 17, 11:51 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/17 Nick Prince m...@dtech.fsnet.co.uk: You can see I am struggling with these self sampling assumptions.  I just cannot get a handle on how to think about them. The SSA is difficult to get one's head around, and

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: Okay, an underlying objective reality causes the order in what we experience - but then what causes the order in this underlying objective reality? You haven't answered any questions...you've just

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 3:11 AM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: Okay, an underlying objective reality causes the order in what we experience - but then what causes the order in this underlying objective reality? You haven't answered any

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: What caused it to exist? Who said it

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Brent Meeker

on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-17 Thread silky
I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) Clearly, creating AI on a computer is a goal, and generally we'll try and implement to the same degree of computationalness as a human. But what would happen if we simply tried to

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Rex Allen
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: So ultimately, there is no reason you value the things you do...that's just the way things are. Suppose there was a reason - what would it be like? And why would it make any difference whether

Re: R/ASSA query

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
Rex Allen wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: Rex Allen wrote: So ultimately, there is no reason you value the things you do...that's just the way things are. Suppose there was a reason - what would it be like? And why would it

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
silky wrote: I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) Clearly, creating AI on a computer is a goal, and generally we'll try and implement to the same degree of computationalness as a human. But what would happen if we

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-17 Thread silky
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: silky wrote: I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) Clearly, creating AI on a computer is a goal, and generally we'll try and implement to

Re: on consciousness levels and ai

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Meeker
silky wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: silky wrote: I'm not sure if this question is appropriate here, nevertheless, the most direct way to find out is to ask it :) Clearly, creating AI on a computer is a goal, and generally we'll try