Hi Craig Weinberg
Thankls for your help. I will considerI and II asbjective.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/19/2012
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Hi Russell Standish
Bernard cells are mechanical, not caused by a self as agent but by
laws of physics. They may be self-organizing, but there's no self
to organize things.
Photosynthesis is a life process, not mechanical because it does things no
computer
program can do, namely turn light
Hi Russell Standish
Not so. A zombie can't converse with you, a real person can.
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10/19/2012
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Hi Terren Suydam
IMHO a quale is the stuff of an unperceived-as-of-yet input sensory signal.
It is unprocessed Firstness, so not sure of its status. My less than certain
opinion is that being unprocessed, it is not yet an experience.
IMHO nobody knows much about how that Firstness is turned
Hi Richard Ruquist
Don't take this too seriously, but my dislike of
the idea of multiple universes makes me suggest
that the other universes could be just potential
or probable universes.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody
Hi William R. Buckley
You can speak to a potential test subject,
but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind. This
is the Turing test, the results of which are not certain.
But it is the only test I can think of unless you
want to get into the Chinese room argument, etc.
If it does not
A few discoveries of evolutionary psichology may help. According with EP
the mind is composed of many functional modules, each one for a different
purpose. many of them are specific of each specie. Each of these modules is
the result of the computation of certain areas of the brain. A functional
Hi Stephen P. King
Maybe I'm wrong, but Dennett could be a zombie, because he seems to deny 1p.
He also denies qualia, so you could test his personhood by asking him what color
your eyes are. Or if he is awake or asleep.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/19/2012
Forever is a long time,
Hi William R. Buckley
You can speak to a potential test subject,
but it can only reply if it indeed has a mind.
This is an assumption you make.
This is the Turing test, the results of which are not
certain. But it is the only test I can think of unless
you want to get into the Chinese
On 17 Oct 2012, at 19:19, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
IMHO all life must have some degree of consciousness
or it cannot perceive its environment.
Are you sure?
Would you say that the plants are conscious? I do think so, but I am
not sure they have self-consciousness.
On 17 Oct 2012, at 20:01, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Dear Stephen,
On 16 Oct 2012, at 16:03, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 9:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Even ideal machines driven by reason have to face their
irrationality when looking
On 17 Oct 2012, at 20:16, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Oct 2012, at 20:17, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:08:49 AM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 10/16/2012 8:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at
But arithmetic + comp might support string theory, and has too, if
matter is strings.
Also, arithmetic is simpler as it can be taught in high school, and I
think that you need arithmetic to understand string theory.
String theory assume the quantum theory, but the UD Argument shows
that
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:57, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 07:19:09PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:07, Russell Standish wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 03:39:18PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 Oct 2012, at 23:27, Russell Standish wrote:
So any
On 17 Oct 2012, at 15:15, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 8:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:33, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 9:20 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Thanks. My mistake was to say that P's position is that
consciousness, arises at (or
On 17 Oct 2012, at 17:04, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:16:52 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Oct 2012, at 18:56, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Two men and two women live together. The woman has a child. 2+2=5
You mean two men + two women + a baby = five persons.
On 17 Oct 2012, at 19:12, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Sorry, I lost the thread on the doctor, and don't know what Craig
believes about the p-zombie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie
A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and
perception is
On 17 Oct 2012, at 15:28, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 8:45 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 16 Oct 2012, at 15:00, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 8:23 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:02:44 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
There is of course the idea that the
Solipsism makes everyone zombie except you.
But in some context some people might conceive that zombie exists,
without making everyone zombie. Craig believes that computers, if they
might behave like conscious individuals would be a zombie, but he is
no solipsist.
There is no test for
On 17 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2012/10/17 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
2012/10/17 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 17 Oct 2012, at 10:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Life may support mathematics.
Arithmetic may support life. It is full of life and
On 10/19/2012 1:37 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Oct 2012, at 22:02, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2012/10/17 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
mailto:agocor...@gmail.com
2012/10/17 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 17 Oct 2012, at 10:12,
On 17 Oct 2012, at 23:09, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 1:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Oct 2012, at 08:52, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/17/2012 2:07 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
The self is directly related to the Dx = xx trick, for me.
The Dx=xx trick is about
Hi,
I was looking up a definition and found the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length
Central to MDL theory is the one-to-one correspondence between code
length functions and probability distributions. (This follows from the
Kraft-McMillan inequality.) For any
On 18 Oct 2012, at 20:05, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I think you can tell is 1p isn't just a shell
by trying to converse with it. If it can
converse, it's got a mind of its own.
I agree with. It has mind, and its has a soul (but he has no real
bodies. I can argue this follows
On 19 Oct 2012, at 11:41, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
Not so. A zombie can't converse with you, a real person can.
By definition a (philosophical) zombie can converse with you. A zombie
is en entity assumed not having consciousness, nor any private
subjective life, and
On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:26, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
A few discoveries of evolutionary psichology may help. According
with EP the mind is composed of many functional modules, each one
for a different purpose. many of them are specific of each specie.
Each of these modules is the result of
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I do know that it's got to be one or the other.
But I have just proved to you that it cannot be either one.
So you have just proven that X is not Y and X is not not Y. BULLSHIT!
you don't have the wisdom to know when
On 10/19/2012 10:54 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi,
I was looking up a definition and found the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length
Central to MDL theory is the one-to-one correspondence between code length functions
and probability distributions. (This
On Friday, October 19, 2012 5:03:05 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
I do know that it's got to be one or the other.
But I have just proved to you that it cannot be either one.
So you have just proven that X is not
2012/10/19 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 19 Oct 2012, at 12:26, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
A few discoveries of evolutionary psichology may help. According with EP
the mind is composed of many functional modules, each one for a different
purpose. many of them are specific of each specie.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 02:03:27PM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/19/2012 10:54 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi,
I was looking up a definition and found the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_description_length
Central to MDL theory is the one-to-one correspondence between
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 05:39:58AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
Bernard cells are mechanical, not caused by a self as agent but by
laws of physics. They may be self-organizing, but there's no self
to organize things.
Photosynthesis is a life process, not mechanical
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
If you can do something for your own personal reasons then you have free
will. If you demand that personal reasons still must always come from
outside of the person themselves[...]
But I don't demand that at all! You might
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
So lets see, a giant junkyard magnet is a devastating logical argument
but a junkyard car crusher is not. Explain to me how that works.
Because talking about how you want to kill me in an argument about
computers
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Darwin does not need to be wrong. Consciousness role can be deeper, in
the evolution/selection of the laws of physics from the coherent dreams
(computations from the 1p view) in arithmetic.
I have no idea what that
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