Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the other animals from being selfconcious? or - having a logic on their own level? Or any

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 00:10, John Mikes wrote: Evgenyi, you write very 'deep' and 'smart things. One bothers me: ..the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. first the anthropocentric sound (neurological?) and then the unidentified term of Ccness. In this same post (cf Russell

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its ...

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2013, at 19:27, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno, In my model which you have already said is not comp, all the computational histories happen in a mindspace and only one of them become physical. Yes, that is what makes it into a non-comp theory, a bit like Bohm's hidden variable

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 06:59, Kim Jones wrote: On 29/05/2013, at 2:04 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You don't need language to feel the hotness of a fire. Bruno You don't need language to feel the effect of music. Good point. Language is the greatest barrier to

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John Mikes wrote: Bruno: do you indeed exclude the

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread John Clark
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you want to communicate why should I need to search at all? And if even Google doesn't know what the hell Bpp is then it's ridiculous to expect your readers to know what you're talking about. Come on, John. Search

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread John Mikes
Brent: after lots of back-and-forth you wrote: *...I don't see the analogy. I don't think consciousness can be negative, or even that it can be measured by one dimension. All-or-nothing would be a function that is either 1 or 0. If you can be conscious of red and green, then I'd say you are

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you want to communicate why should I need to search at

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: If you

Re: The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 12:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 08:33, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 11:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 5/28/2013 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2013, at 01:53, meekerdb wrote: On 5/27/2013 2:18 PM, John

Dennet on Free will!

2013-05-29 Thread Stephen P. King
This is fun! http://youtu.be/EJsD-3jtXz0?t=24m16s It exist! -- Onward! Stephen I apologize in advance for the gross errors that this post and all of my posts will contain. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Materialism fails to account for the first person

2013-05-29 Thread meekerdb
On 5/29/2013 9:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 18:37, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 May 2013, at 17:47, Quentin Anciaux wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems#Construction_of_a_statement_about_.22provability.22 2013/5/29 John Clark