Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
That's right. I´m not joking if i say that the thing that discredited philosophers definitively was relativity, quantum mechanics and their realization: the atomic bomb. That is the event that raised physicalism, a branch of logical positivism and analytical philosophy, and discredited any other

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
What drives this change? the same drive than in the ancient times: If A people defeat B people, then B people agree that A gods is stronger that B gods. The atomic bomb, the cloning, the magic of the computers are, in the mind of the stone-age brain of the humans, manifestations of the gods of

Re: David Bohm: Thought as a System

2013-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have finished reading the book. As usual, there is no direct answer. Well, p. 220 freedom is the creative perception of a new order of necessity. Evgenii -- http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/david-bohm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread spudboy100
Popper deserves street cred, for being a good observer, I will say. Also, consider that physicists who write for non-physicists, tend to know Popper, well enough to use hos name or quote him. I was thinking that John Baez, did use Popper's name, a time or two, when defending his conformist

Obama's pet

2013-09-07 Thread Roger Clough
Obama's pet John Boehner, you're Obamna's pet, you whimper and your cowell, You never show your fangs or bite, you never bark or growl So when we're stuck with BoennerCare, we'll take you to a vet And have you fixed up properly to safely be his pet. - Roger Clough Dr.

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
But falsability is not a complete criterion for a scientific theory. It is not a demarcation that separate science from not science and forces an artificial reductionism. First, the experimentation can not be done ever in every science. Not only cosmology and meteorology but also in human

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Craig Weinberg
Free will doesn't seem to mean, in control of events. Free will doesn't seem to mean anything, not one damn thing; Free will means that your own will is relatively unopposed. When nothing is overtly coercing you 'against your will', then you are free to exercise your own will as you

RE: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread chris peck
Hi Alberto First, the experimentation can not be done ever in every science. Not only cosmology and meteorology but also in human sciences it is almost impossible to perform a controlled experiments. Some economy laws, not to tell in other old discipliones like moral sciences and so on, many

RE: Obama's pet

2013-09-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
Treating this forum as if it were your personal political pulpit; it's like farting in an elevator! From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Clough Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 7:25 AM To: - Roger Clough Subject: Obama's pet

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread meekerdb
On 9/7/2013 12:40 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: That's right. I´m not joking if i say that the thing that discredited philosophers definitively was relativity, quantum mechanics and their realization: the atomic bomb. That is the event that raised physicalism, a branch of logical positivism and

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread spudboy100
Yes, your reading Feyerabend, suggests that the philosopher unintentionally echos Heisenberg and the uncertainty principle, Schrodinger, and such. I think that philosophers can help with the process of learning or teaching physical principles, leaving the bench scientists., free to pursue

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread spudboy100
Yet, there's lots of scientists in public forums like this, who embrace logical positivism. I am not saying this is a good thing, but something I have experienced. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat,

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Spudboy, Feyerabend did not use the Heisenberg principle. It says something more simple but more fundamental, and because is more fundamental is difficult to grasp: The facts or the experimental data are interpreted by some theory that has been assumed previously. Sometimes this theory is the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-07 Thread meekerdb
Do they deny the existence of electrons? quarks? as Mach denied atoms. Brent On 9/7/2013 3:52 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Yet, there's lots of scientists in public forums like this, who embrace logical positivism. I am not saying this is a good thing, but something I have experienced.