Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Well we will never agree, you've decided it was free so you conclude it was. You've asked how someone could control a decentralized anonymous market. I did tell you how which you did conflate with government intervention where I only said you just had to control the material supply chain, nowhere

RE: Do viruses make us smarter?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Interesting bit of news… makes one wonder to what extent viruses are involved actors in a co-evolutionary relationship with “us” and with our self-aware conscious mind? Who are we? Are we distinct organisms formed by cells containing human DNA or actually walking talking ecosystems that

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:43 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2015 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is a variant of christiniaty, because for non atheist non christian, God, like any term in a theory, is defined by axioms or semi-axioms indeed. I suppose by

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:29 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: O'Brien knew that who controls language controls thought. So peace is war. Atheism is Christianity. And God is whatever you want it to mean. Bruno

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Roger' via Everything List
I have to admit I have a hard time going with the idea of Platonism or mathematical constructs existing somewhere that no one can see or test. I sure can't rule it out, but I'd like to be able to know where it is. Where? You seem to assume a sort of geometry at the start, but with

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2015 11:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2015 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is a variant of christiniaty, because for non atheist non christian, God, like any

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2015 11:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 8:29 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: O'Brien knew that who controls

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Alberto G. Corona
cannabis permit the access to repressed UDA computations although not as much as salvia. So better build your car with cannabis and don't drive salvified 2015-01-12 18:23 GMT+01:00 Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com: 2015-01-12 18:20 GMT+01:00 Platonist Guitar Cowboy

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics? On 12 January 2015 at 14:46, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Democracy  cannabis permit the access to repressed UDA computations although not as much as salvia. So better build your car with

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2015-01-13 16:24 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 18:01 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: Ok, I think we ended up deviating from the reason why I introduced the silk

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Really? On this list? Where? I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama, of U.S. foreign policy everywhere. There's a whole industry built around it on radio. That sort of criticism is innocuous and everyone knows it. The powerful are not

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Really? On this list? Where? I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama, of U.S. foreign policy everywhere. There's a whole industry built around it on radio. That sort of

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: But if you don't want to believe it... fine. What I say is that I'm relieve to

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2015 2:03 PM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The question is better phrased as why does anything exist? But that question is logically equivalent to why doesn't nothing exist?, and the answer is that if

Re: Do viruses make us smarter?

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
It has long been accepted that mitochondria were once separate organisms that were incorporated into eukaryotic cells. They have their own DNA. So incorporating some retrovirus that is regulated by the cell DNA is not far fetched. Brent On 1/13/2015 10:35 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via

Re: Do viruses make us smarter?

2015-01-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net It has long been accepted that mitochondria were once separate organisms that were incorporated into eukaryotic cells.  They have their own DNA.  So incorporating some retrovirus that is regulated by the cell DNA is not far fetched. Yes... and

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2015, at 20:28, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2015 5:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like universe meant a tortoise on the top of another tortoise, except that in the field of theology, the corresponding tortoise has been made into a dogma. And evidence came to change that meaning.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2015, at 17:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-01-12 17:32 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be: On 12 Jan 2015, at 08:27, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2015, at 22:39, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2015 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Atheism is a variant of christiniaty, because for non atheist non christian, God, like any term in a theory, is defined by axioms or semi-axioms indeed. I suppose by semi-axioms you mean definitions by

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2015, at 05:12, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 7:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why is

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-13 Thread LizR
The question is better phrased as why does anything exist? That avoids 50 shades of nothing, or whatever it is you're worried about. So far the only coherent suggestion is that some things must logically exist, or at least be true, like 1+1=2, and that everything else can be leveraged from that.

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Samiya Illias
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:48 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Samiya Illias *Sent:* Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:58 PM *To:*

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jan 2015, at 16:55, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: But if you don't want to believe it... fine. What I say is that I'm relieve to be an ex canabis addict, and that over usage didn't help me at all and

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Jan 2015, at 05:29, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Bruno, Hi. I'd like to propose that we get back to the subject of discussing our ideas on how the universe works, why it's here, etc., And if there is one. Normally, we already have debated that if there is no magic

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 18:01 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: Ok, I think we ended up deviating from the reason why I introduced the silk road theme. You argued that free markets are not possible, that force

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:13 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2015 2:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread meekerdb
On 1/13/2015 7:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: You're using the term free as if it were some mystical property like kosher or halal. A free market is simply free from regulation from a central authority, that's all. The silk road is free from regulation. Anyone can participate, including mafias. If

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2015 7:34 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Really? On this list? Where? I read criticism of the NSA, of Obama, of U.S. foreign policy everywhere. There's a whole industry built around it on radio. That sort of

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 , meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: So PPA's have laws Certainly the PPA's have laws. and enforce arbitrartions Yes. PPA's are governments. The only difference I see is that they aren't defined by territories, but by memberships. The difference is that

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-13 Thread John Clark
I believe the wise way to evaluate whether something is funny or not; whether it is satire or just a slur is to see how members of target feel when exposed to it. I believe a better way to determine if something is funny or not is to record in your lab notebook if you laughed or not, and

Re: Isn't this group supposed to be about trying to figure out how the universe works and not so much about religion and insults?

2015-01-13 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The question is better phrased as why does anything exist? But that question is logically equivalent to why doesn't nothing exist?, and the answer is that if it did't then nothing exists and so something does. Logic says something

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-13 16:24 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 18:01 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: